zlemflolia Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Have you renounced them all in favor of agnostic atheism yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassis Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 zzzzzz topic thats done to death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Have you renounced them all in favor of agnostic atheism yet? People should believe whatever they see fit to believe. What's important--I think--is for beliefs to be challenged. When I have an ill-grounded belief, I trust the people around me to point it out. For instance, if I believe that Elvis is still alive and he visits me in the night, then I would not want the people around me to simply 'respect my beliefs.' My mother believes that she talks to dead people, and also that she cures people's health issues just by thinking about them. And she will continue to believe these things because she surrounds herself with people who will never challenge those beliefs (mainly because she surrounds herself with people who believe the same things). So it's not about just renouncing your beliefs because someone else said you should, it's about making sure your beliefs can withstand scrutiny, internally and externally. Beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pafr Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 X-files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Foil Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Religion and politics subforum pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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azatoth Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Haven't renounced anything, agnostic atheism has always been my default position, even before I knew what it was called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambermonk Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I believe in poopism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Haven't renounced anything, agnostic atheism has always been my default position, even before I knew what it was called. I think it's the default position, isn't it? You can't actively believe something until you have a reason to which would make agnostic atheism chronologically the default, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Hey look, in the similar topics there's a thread with the exact same title! That's funny. /sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Yeah am an atheist, but lately I've been telling people I'm agnostic if they ask because it's harder to argue with that and sometimes you just don't want to get into the discussion I'm pretty convinced that there's nothing beyond, and that actually reality doesn't even fully exist - there's no real division between nothingness and somethingness, but that's almost impossible to imagine, so our minds fill the blankness with stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Haven't renounced anything, agnostic atheism has always been my default position, even before I knew what it was called. I think it's the default position, isn't it? You can't actively believe something until you have a reason to which would make agnostic atheism chronologically the default, no? It is, but isn't for many people. Some get brought up with a religion and never really question it or even observe it for that matter, so they are sort of agnostic atheists too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 Wonder what it's like for career theologians who realize the truth Must suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Wonder what it's like for career theologians who realize the truth Must suck Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 If there's a theologian somewhere with the truth, he/she should share it with the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triachus Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 more like relolgion amirite edit: relelgion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DorkingtonPugsly Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I believe in what's hip to believe in at the time. Right now it's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Wonder what it's like for career theologians who realize the truth Must suck I am sure there are theologians who are not believers, there is a lot you can study within the discipline of theology that leaves the question of truth untouched. That said, I think theology is silly and shouldn't be a discipline in universities. The non-confessional stuff could as well be taught withing the realm of comparative religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 There was some talk in Finland if one can work as a priest if he/she does not believe in God because there were priests like that. "It's only a job!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Also I just recently watched the entire Father Ted series. Lolled at this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HPL0BaOa-8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 There was some talk in Finland if one can work as a priest if he/she does not believe in God because there were priests like that. "It's only a job!" It wouldn't surprise me in the least if there would be atheist priests, especially here in Finland. They just need to say the right things in their sermons and be a sympathetic ear for those in the congregation. Can do that without believing in the fairy tales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KovalainenFanBoy Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Have you renounced them all in favor of agnostic atheism yet? People should believe whatever they see fit to believe. What's important--I think--is for beliefs to be challenged. When I have an ill-grounded belief, I trust the people around me to point it out. For instance, if I believe that Elvis is still alive and he visits me in the night, then I would not want the people around me to simply 'respect my beliefs.' My mother believes that she talks to dead people, and also that she cures people's health issues just by thinking about them. And she will continue to believe these things because she surrounds herself with people who will never challenge those beliefs (mainly because she surrounds herself with people who believe the same things). So it's not about just renouncing your beliefs because someone else said you should, it's about making sure your beliefs can withstand scrutiny, internally and externally. Beliefs. Good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Haven't renounced anything, agnostic atheism has always been my default position, even before I knew what it was called. Ditto. Although, I am still learning and practising Buddhist teachings. I don't understand how that's classed as religion though, more a self help technique if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I was going to talk about atheist clergy members. I bet there's quite a bit more than we think, especially if they've been doing it for a while. They might join a seminary when they're 19 or something, all bright eyed and naive about the special place in the world they have chosen. But all of that slowly erodes the more they move up in the heirarchy. The mindess institutional bullshit gets to them at one point or another and they become disillusioned with the idea of being a preist. Nothing divine about a bunch of stuffy old men concerned with mostly political shit. They might ask themselves, "why did I have to sacrifice so much for this beauraucratic bullshit system? All I wanted to do is help people become closer to god." But what role does any kind of god play in this fucking mindless institution? The system has hijacked their personal lives and the loss of sense of control they experience will frustrate them to a breaking point. Some preists might try to regain that sense of control by molesting little boys and wtf church you suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Haven't renounced anything, agnostic atheism has always been my default position, even before I knew what it was called. Ditto. Although, I am still learning and practising Buddhist teachings. I don't understand how that's classed as religion though, more a self help technique if anything. That's a very Western way of looking at Buddhism. If you stripped all the superfluous things from Christianity and Islam, you would also get something like a self-help/philosophy of life kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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