Silent Member Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I never got Pavement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameChaos Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 i like Pavement actually but they are very much an acquired taste. The Pixies were great there's no doubt about that, but now... not so much. here are a few of my favorite Pavement songs for the uninitiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apriorion Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Just to chime into that argument, Pixies were great because they had a rawness and some convicingly batshit tendencies, but also the excellent tunes to back it all up. Makes you all stabby for one song and all swooning on the next. Compare them to a band from that time like Pavement, and their legendary status should confuse no one. Unless you secretly hate your wife and it's coming out as "I hate the Pixies", then I see the motivation behind your posts, but other than that, there's no shame in being wrong. I liked your post until you got all personal. What is with you people and ad hominem attacks? I love my wife (we've been happily together for 10 years), but we both work in a profession that requires blunt disagreement and we can express our views without "secretely hat[ing]" each other. Thanks for trying to be my therapist, though; I appreciate the effort. So I'll pretend that you didn't write that part, since the first part of your post was an OK attempt to explain why the Pixies were great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apriorion Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Oh, and for the last time, I never said that I hate the Pixies. Jesus fucking Christ. I can't believe this is a subtlety that my fellow WATMMers are having a hard time with. ~ ("Band X is not great." <=> "I hate Band X.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameChaos Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 stahp! plez stahp!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atom Dowry Firth Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 i'm scared This. I don't think I'm going to click things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 You're better off pretending this EP never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atom Dowry Firth Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Does the fact this is EP number 1 mean they're going to make more of them? There's only so much pretending I can do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disappearer Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Yeah, things like this review is the reason I completely despise Pitchfork and I could never take it seriously. Burying Legends in the most pompous way just to make a statement. Sure, this ep is no Dootlittle and Pixies will most likely never repeat the glories of the past (who does?) but it definitely doesn't deserve a 1/10, I kind of have a hard time to find a record that does anyway. Imo, it's a 6/10, I do like "Andro Queen" and I can't find many modern indie rock tracks as enjoyable as "Indie Cindy", pretty good tune. But yeah, it's pitchfork we're dealing with, the same abomination of a site that has given 0.0 to Sonic Youth while treating people like Devendra Banhart like gods. Just watch how they will easily give their 9s and 10s to the next hip thing for September 2013... Fucking elitists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 i've personally never cared for pixies but i will readily acknowledge that their sound was not only innovative but ridiculously influential. it seems like the entire 90s "alternative" movement was just a bunch of bands responding to pixies. it's hard not to hear their influence on rock/indie music coming out even now, so many years later. it's quite uncanny, so few bands have this kind of impact imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apriorion Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 i've personally never cared for pixies but i will readily acknowledge that their sound was not only innovative but ridiculously influential. it seems like the entire 90s "alternative" movement was just a bunch of bands responding to pixies. it's hard not to hear their influence on rock/indie music coming out even now, so many years later. it's quite uncanny, so few bands have this kind of impact imo That is a very fair point. But I would like to point out that great influence does not entail greatness itself. It is arguable that Madonna has had a huge impact on many of her followers (Britney, Miley Ray, etc.), but that doesn't mean she's great simpliciter. In fact, influence is neither a sufficient nor a necessary condition for greatness. Plenty of artists might be great and have no influence. I'll concede what you've said, but I still don't buy the claim that this fact makes them great. I should repeat, though, that I'm not hating on the Pixies. In fact, I'd choose listening to them over a wide range of music out there. I might even listen to this new thing (on the topic of this thread, I also think the Pitchfork review is an annoying piece of posturing). I just don't agree that influence or popularity is enough to make me change my mind about their greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 yeah let me say that I never clicked with the Pixies, but I understand why they're so highly praised. I think they're one of those bands that you need to hear at the right time in your life. I was late to the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manmower Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 i've personally never cared for pixies but i will readily acknowledge that their sound was not only innovative but ridiculously influential. it seems like the entire 90s "alternative" movement was just a bunch of bands responding to pixies. it's hard not to hear their influence on rock/indie music coming out even now, so many years later. it's quite uncanny, so few bands have this kind of impact imo That is a very fair point. But I would like to point out that great influence does not entail greatness itself. It is arguable that Madonna has had a huge impact on many of her followers (Britney, Miley Ray, etc.), but that doesn't mean she's great simpliciter. In fact, influence is neither a sufficient nor a necessary condition for greatness. Plenty of artists might be great and have no influence. I'll concede what you've said, but I still don't buy the claim that this fact makes them great. I should repeat, though, that I'm not hating on the Pixies. In fact, I'd choose listening to them over a wide range of music out there. I might even listen to this new thing (on the topic of this thread, I also think the Pitchfork review is an annoying piece of posturing). I just don't agree that influence or popularity is enough to make me change my mind about their greatness. Out of curiosity, what makes MBV and Cocteau Twins great then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 i've personally never cared for pixies but i will readily acknowledge that their sound was not only innovative but ridiculously influential. it seems like the entire 90s "alternative" movement was just a bunch of bands responding to pixies. it's hard not to hear their influence on rock/indie music coming out even now, so many years later. it's quite uncanny, so few bands have this kind of impact imo That is a very fair point. But I would like to point out that great influence does not entail greatness itself. It is arguable that Madonna has had a huge impact on many of her followers (Britney, Miley Ray, etc.), but that doesn't mean she's great simpliciter. In fact, influence is neither a sufficient nor a necessary condition for greatness. Plenty of artists might be great and have no influence. I'll concede what you've said, but I still don't buy the claim that this fact makes them great. I should repeat, though, that I'm not hating on the Pixies. In fact, I'd choose listening to them over a wide range of music out there. I might even listen to this new thing (on the topic of this thread, I also think the Pitchfork review is an annoying piece of posturing). I just don't agree that influence or popularity is enough to make me change my mind about their greatness. Out of curiosity, what makes MBV and Cocteau Twins great then? Yeah I don't understand how a band could be objectively great. It will always come down to taste. WATMM should know this by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Just to chime into that argument, Pixies were great because they had a rawness and some convicingly batshit tendencies, but also the excellent tunes to back it all up. Makes you all stabby for one song and all swooning on the next. Compare them to a band from that time like Pavement, and their legendary status should confuse no one. Unless you secretly hate your wife and it's coming out as "I hate the Pixies", then I see the motivation behind your posts, but other than that, there's no shame in being wrong. I liked your post until you got all personal. What is with you people and ad hominem attacks? I love my wife (we've been happily together for 10 years), but we both work in a profession that requires blunt disagreement and we can express our views without "secretely hat[ing]" each other. Thanks for trying to be my therapist, though; I appreciate the effort. So I'll pretend that you didn't write that part, since the first part of your post was an OK attempt to explain why the Pixies were great. My apologies, did not mean to offend. I was in watmm messageboard snark-mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- unwatmm - Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 [brain] switching vacillating between it's all just too late grab the knife grab the knife to even bother chiming in but bothersome froth of the everything open now now now if it's all meaningless and worthless then nothing matters - so do everything away and scheme plot and falter blah and plummet it's all too late to even find you've missed the boat you missed the f*cking harbour mate ding the meter still ticks say it passenger say it or just give the god damn freakin hell up it's a shit ep there that wasn't too bad got it all out, late, aborted, fantastic frying mess it's shit say it again it's utter shitting shit [brain-in] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Araungzeb Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Does the fact this is EP number 1 mean they're going to make more of them? There's only so much pretending I can do! Can't wait to hear their covers of Rpeg and Maphive 6.1, that would actually justify this garbage. Regardless of Pixies being one of my top 10 favorite bands of all time this is just embarrassing. At least when Billy Corgan put out those 4-song "Teargarden" EPs the songs were so hilariously awful that they were worth listening to for fun. This stuff is so painfully pedestrian that it hurts, this honestly might be the greatest fall from grace I've ever seen from one of my favorite bands. It sounds exactly like the mountains of demos that got sent to me by third-rate indie startup bands when I worked at my college's radio station, I could imagine pretending to like this if my friends had written this but it's just sad this is coming from Frank Black. No wonder Kim Deal left in a hurry. Oh well, at least I always have this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manmower Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 No wonder Kim Deal left in a hurry. At which point the Pixies stopped being the Pixies to me anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I saw their reunion tour in 2010 and they were still great. This is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perunamuusi Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I've thought carefully about it, so you shouldn't dismiss me with a "bro" move So many lols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 don't dismiss me with a bro move, bra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zaphod Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 [youtubehd]msBbeo0SKHI[/youtubehd] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 [youtubehd]msBbeo0SKHI[/youtubehd] lolol one of the best things i've seen in a while, sometimes i forget how bad modern commercial culture is and then i get reminded in a fantastically entertaining way like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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