Ganja

[Guest]

Stopped smoking about 5 months ago (wow, time flies). I was a pretty hardcore smoker: smoked weed from the bong everyday after some mundane job. It worked out OK, so why change, right?

 

But I'm too sensitive. I can't handle it any more. I get struck by fear, and want to curl up in my own space and not interact with anyone outside my comfort zone. I still have that kinda, but I feel a lot less shame, and more incentive to actually do stuff: I'm planning for the future, feel more grounded, have clearer and straighter thoughts and, most of all, don't have that constant fog in my head. Also the fact that I was horribly depressed for 2 months after I stopped really showed me how much of an addict I was.

 

I'd rather keep my body clean, since it works better for me. I prefer to do yoga, since it gives me good feels, and none of the bad (except for some muscles aches in unforeseen places). I still get sad or angry, but that's just part of my human nature; dampening it with alcohol or drugs feels like putting a band aid on a festering wound. Now I choose to deal with my problems, instead of sedating them.

 

I am not judging anyone who smokes; It's your own choice. It just doesn't work out for me.

[Hugh Mughnus]

Stopped smoking about 5 months ago (wow, time flies). I was a pretty hardcore smoker: smoked weed from the bong everyday after some mundane job. It worked out OK, so why change, right?

 

But I'm too sensitive. I can't handle it any more. I get struck by fear, and want to curl up in my own space and not interact with anyone outside my comfort zone. I still have that kinda, but I feel a lot less shame, and more incentive to actually do stuff: I'm planning for the future, feel more grounded, have clearer and straighter thoughts and, most of all, don't have that constant fog in my head. Also the fact that I was horribly depressed for 2 months after I stopped really showed me how much of an addict I was.

 

I'd rather keep my body clean, since it works better for me. I prefer to do yoga, since it gives me good feels, and none of the bad (except for some muscles aches in unforeseen places). I still get sad or angry, but that's just part of my human nature; dampening it with alcohol or drugs feels like putting a band aid on a festering wound. Now I choose to deal with my problems, instead of sedating them.

 

I am not judging anyone who smokes; It's your own choice. It just doesn't work out for me.

 

Have you considered that it may have been the type of weed you were smoking? I get the same feelings of fear and sketchiness from sativas but nothing like that from indica.

 

Not sure if there's a science to that at all but that has been my general experience. Maybe a weed expert type watmm member can educate me?

[Braintree]

 

 

 

I've never smoked it.

 

 

rally?

 

 

Rally.

 

looks like a big spliff to me!

 

• 

 

 

I'm constantly asking him to put them out. Very rude, if you ask me.

[Hugh Mughnus]

SO inconsiderate!

[Capsaicin]

 

Stopped smoking about 5 months ago (wow, time flies). I was a pretty hardcore smoker: smoked weed from the bong everyday after some mundane job. It worked out OK, so why change, right?

 

But I'm too sensitive. I can't handle it any more. I get struck by fear, and want to curl up in my own space and not interact with anyone outside my comfort zone. I still have that kinda, but I feel a lot less shame, and more incentive to actually do stuff: I'm planning for the future, feel more grounded, have clearer and straighter thoughts and, most of all, don't have that constant fog in my head. Also the fact that I was horribly depressed for 2 months after I stopped really showed me how much of an addict I was.

 

I'd rather keep my body clean, since it works better for me. I prefer to do yoga, since it gives me good feels, and none of the bad (except for some muscles aches in unforeseen places). I still get sad or angry, but that's just part of my human nature; dampening it with alcohol or drugs feels like putting a band aid on a festering wound. Now I choose to deal with my problems, instead of sedating them.

 

I am not judging anyone who smokes; It's your own choice. It just doesn't work out for me.

 

Have you considered that it may have been the type of weed you were smoking? I get the same feelings of fear and sketchiness from sativas but nothing like that from indica.

 

Not sure if there's a science to that at all but that has been my general experience. Maybe a weed expert type watmm member can educate me?

 

Not an expert, but vaping does give a different high than smoking. Although if one didn't jive right, the other probably won't, too.

[Audioblysk]

 

Stopped smoking about 5 months ago (wow, time flies). I was a pretty hardcore smoker: smoked weed from the bong everyday after some mundane job. It worked out OK, so why change, right?

 

But I'm too sensitive. I can't handle it any more. I get struck by fear, and want to curl up in my own space and not interact with anyone outside my comfort zone. I still have that kinda, but I feel a lot less shame, and more incentive to actually do stuff: I'm planning for the future, feel more grounded, have clearer and straighter thoughts and, most of all, don't have that constant fog in my head. Also the fact that I was horribly depressed for 2 months after I stopped really showed me how much of an addict I was.

 

I'd rather keep my body clean, since it works better for me. I prefer to do yoga, since it gives me good feels, and none of the bad (except for some muscles aches in unforeseen places). I still get sad or angry, but that's just part of my human nature; dampening it with alcohol or drugs feels like putting a band aid on a festering wound. Now I choose to deal with my problems, instead of sedating them.

 

I am not judging anyone who smokes; It's your own choice. It just doesn't work out for me.

 

Have you considered that it may have been the type of weed you were smoking? I get the same feelings of fear and sketchiness from sativas but nothing like that from indica.

 

Not sure if there's a science to that at all but that has been my general experience. Maybe a weed expert type watmm member can educate me?

 

Most all cannabis has the same cannabinoids, just in different amounts. THC, CBD, CBG, THC-V and CBC are the main psychoactive/somatic chemicals you will find in cannabis. Higher levels of cannabidiol (CBD), cannabigerol (CBG) or cannabichromene (CBC) can contribute to lethargy and burn-out from indicas, partialy do to their slight antagonism of the CB-1, whereas sativas have a mostly THC chemical balance with little to no interference @ the CB-1 receptor as they have little CBD and other cannabinoids that can jam up the receptor, therefor, resulting in THC's full effect that makes people unaccustomed to its effects paranoid in most instances.

 

CBD has mostly somatic effect and little to no psycho-activity, that stuff is a goldmine in terms of medical value.

 

Vaporizing does give a different high, but it's also partially to do IMO with the amount of oxygen in your blood that goes down with inhaling combusted smoke, it makes people foggy. Also it has to do with the fact that all of the cannabinoids share sperate melting/vaporization temps so you might not be getting all the stuff out of yon dro so to speak. THC itself is quite a race-y chemical. We had to do testing for multiple butane extracted cannabis concentrates for my bosses magazine/medical cannabis industry awards the other week. I am a heavy smoker and it had me sweating the whole time due to the straight THC blast to the dome. I even got to try isomerized hash oil that a friend of mine makes, it takes concentrates that are already 50-70% THC and brings it to 95%+ pure. That stuff will literally put most people down no matter what as its hard as fuck to dose correctly!

 

I hope this helped

-Watmms weed expert-

[Hugh Mughnus]

Absolutely it helps! (Confirms I wasn't just imagining it too!)

 

cheers

[Guest]

Could've been the stuff, yeh, for sure. Could've been my state of mind, of course.

 

.. but for me personally, I think I'm just better off without it. Despite all this evidence in favour of legalization, (which I fully support, let that be clear) Cannabis is still a drugs, with it's pro's and it's cons. Just like coffee, tobacco, alcohol, 2-cb, dxm, run dmc and faust.

Also, great post Audioblysk.

[Braintree]

I know for sure that cannabis is not a gateway drug. I've never smoked weed, and I've definitely taken acid.

[TRiP]

Can anyone explain how simply crumbling up and mixing some hash into a chocolate yogurt works beautifully, whereas I can only imagine it would not (or would need a much bigger amount) with regular weed?

Is the hash somewhat 'pre-cooked' when it's created? Sort of like a micro-wave meal of THC.

[Audioblysk]

Can anyone explain how simply crumbling up and mixing some hash into a chocolate yogurt works beautifully, whereas I can only imagine it would not (or would need a much bigger amount) with regular weed?

 

Is the hash somewhat 'pre-cooked' when it's created? Sort of like a micro-wave meal of THC.

 

Depends on the type of hash. Most hash that is not bubble hash (water extracted) is made by sieving kief (the trichomes or 'crystals' on the buds) from the cannabis and pressing it via multiple methods, some heat press, I was taught a method called 'surfboard hash' by my Dad that is a cold press method between two wax paper wrapped surfboards. It's how he learned to do it and IMO it preserves the best terpenoid profile and resin quality by cold pressing like that. Bubble hash is my favorite, but it does lose a certain amount of water soluble terpenes so the flavors can be somewhat muted compared to the starting material, of course depending which terpenes your particular strain/phenotype produces, some do better than others... buuut, it's potency is awesome and the melt is fun to watch

 

The reason that crumbling hash into chocolate yogurt is because yogurt contains milk fat, a lipid that THC and related cannabinoids are readily soluble in and will absorb through the stomach and small intestine to be processed by yon liver. Without said lipid, cannabis is not soluble in our bodies as cannabis is not water soluble (well slightly, but not much) and is not broken down and process quick enough to provide a high. It would technically work to put raw plant material into the yogurt, but would take more time to absorb because the plant matter would most likely interfere with/prolong its absorption.

[YEK]

 

hey pheonix you're sounding a bit like me when i quit a few years back. i was way depressed and i had also just finished school and was stuck in the suburbs when all my friends lived closer to the city (and i don't drive). i basically spent 4 or 5 months at home almost every day just sitting on the computer, posting on watmm and working on ambient music...stone sober! then at the end of that, i was at a party where my friends had some weed and boom i was back in the game . i stayed up listening to bitches brew and i heard the velvet underground for the first time and they became one of my favourite bands almost instantly. anyway, i think i learned i shouldn't have quit just because i started to have a bad time with it, perhaps just a small break or dialing it back to once or twice a week would have been all i needed because i definitely missed the great stuff about pot. in terms of the level of damage it does as a drug i guess i think of it as being somewhere between a cup of tea and a cigarette (at least when smoked)

 

 

(this isn't me giving advice as much as it is just indulging in some personal experiences btw)

 

also do you people realise how lucky you are that you get to live in a country where you actually get to choose between sativa and indica?

 

 

oh man, so many good experiences for me, stoned with friends and discovering velvet underground!

 

pot makes me feel sketchy so i don't use it anymore but i am glad i tried it for sure.

[Guest fiznuthian]

In my experience, the times when I have abused pot and definitely smoked too much were when I was not doing well emotionally. I think it's easy for people to lay blame on the drug for turning people into demotivated lazies. I have also met quite a lot of people who were insistent that they "needed" weed to get by. Some were more functional or more social than others. They had one thing on common though, and that was some form of emotional struggle.

I can't but wonder if the stigma is justified. People who are depressed and anxious tend to find vices in all sorts of places. Alcoholism? Porn addiction? Prescription drugs? Hell, even food itself! I would argue that even a poor eating habit is 10x more destructive than an out of control weed habit.

 

There's been times where I would smoke well over an ounce of strong weed in a month, and yet somehow still eat well, stay productive on the job, and otherwise function A-okay in my day to day life. There's been other times when I am really not doing okay. I don't think weed had anything to do with the change, it just makes an easy scapegoat.

 

When you genuinely enjoy weed and you're having a hard time it's so easy to say "well, if I just could quit everything would be better, but I can't!". And then you run out or finally decide to give it up and nothing really changes..

[modey]

I don't smoke often, usually just at a friend's place when having some beers and listening to records. I definitely prefer having a bit to drink first though, otherwise I get too thinky and paranoid about everything (usually only happens when I'm out at a gig or alone though). Thinking of getting some for personal use again, since it's really great for my creativity and super amazing for music appreciation. I find it hard sometimes to just concentrate on listening to music when sober.

That said, if I get more I'll definitely take it easy. It tends to make me a bit spacey the day after as well; not sure if that's legit or just psychosomatic (addict insane).

[peace 7]

Absolutely magical, beautiful plant, capable of wonderful smells and laughs and sleeps and feels. What I like to do is vape super silver haze whilst freebasing meth and crack, and the high is wicked as fuck. By this point the methadone suppository has kicked in, so it's like WHOA.

 

Nah.

 

But yah. Da green is incredible. If I ever come into contact with you folk in person, I hope we can smoke, and post to each other on WATMM with laptops side by side.

 

Sidenote on a good super silver haze: Muthafuckin' feel like you wanna run a marathon at 6 AM. As the sunshine starts to fill the sky, you realize that you are giving the sunshine its light, because you are bursting with a citrus like freshness of crisp motivational euphoria. Every particle of your body becomes a glistening spinning crystal that sends joy sparks of infinity between them in spirals of pleasure fractals. Being conscious of your own physical being makes your skin tingle. When you flex your muscles, every fiber is filled with the fullest intent of the core of your being and the contractions are hard as fuck, so you feel like Bruce Lee giving a war cry, covered in menthol oil on the peak of Mt. Everest. Muthafuckin' SUPER. SILVER. HAZE.

 

Get some.

[Candiru]

One of my friends had really bad anxiety attacks if he ever smoked. One time we literally called 911 because he was convinced he was having a heart attack. But we did a bowl cruise last time we were hanging out and it was incident free. He claims sativa will send him over the edge but indica he can tolerate.

[Audioblysk]

Absolutely magical, beautiful plant, capable of wonderful smells and laughs and sleeps and feels. What I like to do is vape super silver haze whilst freebasing meth and crack, and the high is wicked as fuck. By this point the methadone suppository has kicked in, so it's like WHOA.

 

Nah.

 

But yah. Da green is incredible. If I ever come into contact with you folk in person, I hope we can smoke, and post to each other on WATMM with laptops side by side.

 

Sidenote on a good super silver haze: Muthafuckin' feel like you wanna run a marathon at 6 AM. As the sunshine starts to fill the sky, you realize that you are giving the sunshine its light, because you are bursting with a citrus like freshness of crisp motivational euphoria. Every particle of your body becomes a glistening spinning crystal that sends joy sparks of infinity between them in spirals of pleasure fractals. Being conscious of your own physical being makes your skin tingle. When you flex your muscles, every fiber is filled with the fullest intent of the core of your being and the contractions are hard as fuck, so you feel like Bruce Lee giving a war cry, covered in menthol oil on the peak of Mt. Everest. Muthafuckin' SUPER. SILVER. HAZE.

 

Get some.

Lol.

 

I worked with a super silver haze male a while back to make a breeding project, luckily I got a good pheno within the first 15 seeds of the F1 generation and I have since laid the seeds to the fridge for better days. We call her, Jesus.

Super Silver Haze (Shanti's Haze C-dom male ) x Purple Arrow (Purple Afghan x Hindu Kush) is the cross and this is what she looks like

You know your shit if you love SSH, it's among the holy grails in the cannabis world.

 

@ meshgearfox, Its not like I was doing all this when it was legal. My parents did it for money when I was a small child, so I have just grown up with the hobby. If you care enough, grow your own. it is easy to maintain, costs little to nothing after the main investment and you can find what you want. If its a legal hang-up, it's an incredibly under-wrap hobby and if done right, I've had roommates (albeit, dumb roommates) who didn't even know what I was doing. If you don't care enough or don't use it, that's fine, but we're all lucky enough to choose our genetics, it's just how much work you want to put in if the options aren't there. It's true that the PNW where I live is flooded with good stuff, but to make your own grail, you gotta work at it if you have that affinity for the plant. I guess I just found it important to me.

 

I like that WATMM for the most part is very accepting of cannabis, it makes it easier for me to want to share with the group.

[huzur]

i love it i hate it

[peace 7]

I worked with a super silver haze male a while back to make a breeding project, luckily I got a good pheno within the first 15 seeds of the F1 generation and I have since laid the seeds to the fridge for better days. We call her, Jesus.

Super Silver Haze (Shanti's Haze C-dom male ) x Purple Arrow (Purple Afghan x Hindu Kush) is the cross and this is what she looks like

You know your shit if you love SSH, it's among the holy grails in the cannabis world.

 

Mmm... Nice pic, mang.

 

The main strains I was growing in Hawaii were White Rhino and SSH. Best of both worlds. :-) Man..... Just writing that takes me back... I used to let my white rhino grows go past milky, and they were narcotic as fuck.

[Guest]

Thanks Mesh . Although I haven ever met you, it feels good to know that there's someone on the other side of the planet that has gone through a similar life phase. Bitches Brew is an awesome album, for sure (even when you're sober ). And, you know, I really enjoyed music and nature, and the "simple" stuff much more, but there was always this nagging feeling in the back of my head that I should go out and accomplish shit and be a productive member of bla bla (whatever the fuck that means). Goddamn peer pressure.. I fucking despise it so hard.

 

I realize that I don't necessarily need marijuana to enjoy good music, or singing birds, or anything that is just good by itself.. but it does really give it that extra dash of appreciation.

 

 

 

And then you run out or finally decide to give it up and nothing really changes..

 

..Fuck.. That hit home.

 

--

 

I need to work out some stuff first with a clear head. There's a lot of stuff I dampened, or was unable to deal with, that just can't be dampened or not dealt with any more. After I am riding the wave again.. well, we see what happens.

[kichiguy]

any smokers here made the pilgrimage to malana for that good charas?

[Candiru]

i love it i hate it

 

I want it I need it

Need it it make me feel heated

Shake it can't take it must break it

 

Audioblysk, how did you find your way into this awesome career if you don't mind me asking?

[Terpentintollwut]

I used to have a hardcore anti-drug attitude. Didn't drink alcohol till I was like 20 or so, used to think weed was the devil. How silly of me that was.

 

I gotta say, I'm still not a fan of alcohol. I have a glass of wine now and then with my food, and I downright dislike the taste of beer (being a German, that's especially odd). At the moment, it's Karneval in Germany, where everybody gets shitfaced before noon and tries to make up for the lack of partying during the rest of the year. Also my hometown is kind of a Mecca for people who celebrate this holiday, so I went to Berlin on Thursday to escape this shit (actually, I went there for a live show by Eddie Izzard, which was the shit yo!).

The only Karneval-impression I got this year was a dude in a cowboy costume at the train station who - at 11 a.m., after several minutes - managed to unzip his pants, with help of three friends, and then tried to hit on a girl whilst pissing in the middle of a public place. The girl was not amused.

I'm not saying this is what happens to everyone when they get drunk, but my impression is that stoners simply don't do this kind of shit. They're also not the people you see getting into fights at parties. Of course, alcoholic drinks are enjoyable and being a bit "tipsy" can be fun, but I don't really see how getting super-drunk is so popular, especially with the younger folks. It's like a voucher to embarrass yourself, maybe get into a fight, and after a certain level, you can't even get it up properly ... so what's the point really... only a short while ago, I realized that weed is a whole different story.

 

I guess alcohol is so popular because most of the people think the same way I used to think a few years ago, because it is legal and everybody does it, so it must be okay, unlike weed, because that is forbidden, so it must be evil ... Again, I'm absolutely not anti-alcohol (it's just not so much for me), and I don't believe in prohibition anyway (if people want to get something, they'll find a way, so no point in trying to "protect" them), but when compared to weed, it's outrageous that alcohol is legal and weed isn't, especially given the many positive effects of weed and the much more dangerous long-term effects of alcohol. If alcohol was released today, it would probably get banned instantly. Don't even get me started on Tobacco. A friend of mine who unfortunately died years ago from cancer. His doctor told him to keep smoking weed during chemo, but smoke it pure only. Unfortunately, he never quit the tobacco...

 

So all in all, the legal situation in my country at the moment is still a joke.

They're talking about opening the first coffee shop in Berlin Kreuzberg, to prevent people from having to get their weed from street dealers. This could be a step in the right direction, but still a long road ahead.

 

 

Tell me your stories and opinions please.

 

It's never really worked for me, as I like my beer, and the two definitely don't mix (sea sickness on solid ground). However nowadays I don't drink half as much so perhaps may feel like the odd toke. Especially with listening to lots of music

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Anyway, your thoughts are welcome.

 

 

You're aware that with some people, the first couple of times, weed doesn't have any effect? Like your body takes some time to adjust to the new chemicals, building some kinds of enzymes or whatever ... not sure how this works on a biochemical level, but it's definitely the case with a good bunch of people.

As for beer, I got no experience, since like I said I don't like beer so much. But I heard one or two glasses of red wine mix well with weed. Not too much wine though.

 

Good afternoon watmm Cheers for your replies!!

 

I noticed when I used to smoke it used to demotivate me a lot, sort of turned me into a waste of space. I'm only inquiring because like I said a friend of mine can get some pukka weed, so my interest has been invigorated. There's lot of mindfuck super skunk round my way and thats no good. Haven't bothered with that stuff for years now.

 

Could be due to the type of herb you smoked. Indica-breeds will make you relaxed, maybe tired, definitely help you sleep. Whereas Sativa-breeds will leave you more energetic, up-beat. I guess that's why many people prefer the latter type.

 

 

In my experience, the times when I have abused pot and definitely smoked too much were when I was not doing well emotionally. I think it's easy for people to lay blame on the drug for turning people into demotivated lazies. I have also met quite a lot of people who were insistent that they "needed" weed to get by. Some were more functional or more social than others. They had one thing on common though, and that was some form of emotional struggle.

I can't but wonder if the stigma is justified. People who are depressed and anxious tend to find vices in all sorts of places. Alcoholism? Porn addiction? Prescription drugs? Hell, even food itself! I would argue that even a poor eating habit is 10x more destructive than an out of control weed habit.

 

There's been times where I would smoke well over an ounce of strong weed in a month, and yet somehow still eat well, stay productive on the job, and otherwise function A-okay in my day to day life. There's been other times when I am really not doing okay. I don't think weed had anything to do with the change, it just makes an easy scapegoat.

 

When you genuinely enjoy weed and you're having a hard time it's so easy to say "well, if I just could quit everything would be better, but I can't!". And then you run out or finally decide to give it up and nothing really changes..

 

In my experience, weed doesn't bring on changes that haven't been in the pipeline already.

 

When you're already in a good mood, weed will make you bounce about even more, be a bit hyper, maybe euphoric, depending on the amount you smoke. But several times, I've seen people smoke weed who were in a negative mood before, and all it did was made them feel even more depressed, sensitive to their own feelings. And this was the same weed that made other people want to eat cheese sandwiches and dance.

So I don't believe weed works as an anti-depressant, because it only heightens your perception of what is already there, but doesn't automatically let your body discharge endorphins (unlike Psycho-Meds or other types of drugs) - so you can't program your body or mind like "Weed in -> Happy out", which is a very important factor in terms of mental and/or physical addiction, and a great advantage of weed imo.

 

People who say weed will generate psychosis or schizophrenia are merely misunderstanding what weed does. IMO, it is possible for weed to "unearth" something that lies dormant, since people on weed are much more likely to self-reflect, have philosophical or pseudo-philosophical thoughts and so on, it's like a high-speed-session with a psychologist - but it will never generate a mental disorder from scratch.

 

So when you see people turn into degenerates, in my opinion, it's most likely not because of the weed, but because of the root problem. The weed can be a symptom, but not the cause.

[spratters]

I only stopped years ago because my best mate had a panic attack and stopped all drugs from then. Not that I don't dabble in stuff every now and then, I don't think I could handle smoking like I used to. Recently another friend had a panic attack after smoking less than a joint. Ok he does have a fairly bad coke habit but it wasn't that that put him in hospital for four days. Not saying it didn't contribute btw.

[Guest fiznuthian]

"Less than a joint". High grade cannabis is very strong.. Part of the problem is lack of understanding..
To which the best advice is: "You can always smoke more, but you can't smoke less".

When i've lost my tolerance and start smoking again, I always take one puff at a time.. slowly.

 

I'll add that when starting out, often all you need is one puff. That's it! Perhaps the phrase "smoking a joint" implies that an entire joint needs to be smoked. That's silly. Someone who has no tolerance has no need for an entire joint of high grade. They'll either waste it or feel uncomfortable (or panicked..) for a while until it wears off.