brian trageskin Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, psn said: That's pretty funny coming from you. The last time I tried to discuss harmony in moderately theoretical terms on here, you replied with a half assed meme to the effect that music theory is a fool's errand, directly discouraging me from any further explorations. i have no idea what you're talking about doesn't sound like me at all but i have a bad memory. source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronical Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I love it when my midiverb II creates little noisy harmonics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wunderbar Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 my tinnitus creates a sus4 chord. My life is eternal dissonances. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtificialDisco Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Wunderbar said: my tinnitus creates a sus4 chord. My life is eternal dissonances. Do you sometimes have dreams where it resolves to the major chord? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exitonly Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Berk said: Can you post an example of this? Eg. Track and timestamp? Thx Ideally one example of how it should sound and one example of how it shouldn't if it's not too much effort lol thx How ae sounds: How people in this thread want it to sound: 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wunderbar Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 29 minutes ago, ArtificialDisco said: Do you sometimes have dreams where it resolves to the major chord? yea its called a wet dream. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Wunderbar said: yea its called a wet dream. I suppose with alotov reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 so anyway, anyone got any cool harmonic concept to share, or a chord progression, a question or anything? as long as it's related to harmony. i'm all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOS Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) The first time I heard that pitch bend at 5:10 or so I thought WTF is going on. I wish I could relisten to this track like that first time. Edited January 27, 2022 by IOS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wunderbar Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 anyone know which bradley strider tune this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronical Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 26 minutes ago, brian trageskin said: so anyway, anyone got any cool harmonic concept to share, or a chord progression, a question or anything? as long as it's related to harmony. i'm all ears. this has always blown my mind, still learning to apply harmony so I have no clue what's going on here exactly.. also it sounds like they're singing about MIDI lol 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 55 minutes ago, chronical said: this has always blown my mind, still learning to apply harmony so I have no clue what's going on here exactly.. also it sounds like they're singing about MIDI lol very cool modulations. someone to analyze the keys and functions (if any) in this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Wunderbar said: c major is pretty neet, learned it today. I spent a year learning c major and now I'm moving on to a minor edit: genuinely didn't mean for this dumb post to sound like a Matt Gaetz quote Edited January 27, 2022 by baph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wunderbar Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, baph said: I spent a year learning c major and now I'm moving on to a minor edit: genuinely didn't mean for this dumb post to sound like a Matt Gaetz quote Reminds me of a thing my grandpa used to tell me. Fuck them before they can talk, so they wont tell on you. Great man unfortunately he lost everything in the divorce. Edited January 27, 2022 by Wunderbar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtificialDisco Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, Wunderbar said: Fuck them before they can talk, so they wont tell on you. Haha, holy shit did that come out of nowhere! Good lord! Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaoaoad Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 14 hours ago, Berk said: Can you post an example of this? Eg. Track and timestamp? Thx Ideally one example of how it should sound and one example of how it shouldn't if it's not too much effort lol thx Check my earlier post about f7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtificialDisco Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Maybe you guys will enjoy a few examples of my favourite scale, the diminished scale (also called the octatonic). I love the sinister, otherwordly sound it has and I have used it extensively - obsessively even - in the past. Three examples of Orbital using it brilliantly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoI5614r2ps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEkrQPrE3Qo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bioFSUjkS5U One by Aphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgJq7RI-kWA And one by Olivier Messiaen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNR-zDwuABg And I don't whether I should be tooting my own horn here, but whatever: https://soundcloud.com/artificial-disco/our-robot-think-youre-a-robot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 i analyzed the chord progression of that FFX tune, i'm not sure it's 100% accurate but i did the best i could with my limited knowledge. it took me quite some time to be honest. the progression starts in D minor: iv - v - VII - VI - pause - VI again - then 2 chords borrowed from D dorian: v and IV - to E dorian, which is a deceptive cadence. the IV chord (IV in D dorian) is voiced with the major 3rd in the bass, so the bass motion is actually V-i in E dorian (dominant to tonic). hence why the modulation is so smooth. i don't think modulation is the right term though, since the tonic is only temporary. the next phrase starts with F lydian, the III chord in D dorian. so we're kinda visiting the key of D dorian again, but only briefly. the next chord is Ab lydian, which is then to be interpreted as the III of F dorian (btw one of the inner voices of that Ab lydian chord repeats the G-F-G-A-D motif we heard earlier, only an octave lower this time and without ending on D - also the note A creates a brief dissonance, very spicy). after the long pause, the final progression is Bb7 (the II chord in Ab lydian - not that we're in that key at this point but i thought it was worth mentioning that one chord led to the next) - Am7 - Ab lydian - pause - G13sus or something - Bb. the Bb7 to Am7 to A lydian move can be interpreted as a IV followed by a passing chord leading to the III chord in the key of F dorian (again). that final chord sounds very unresolved for several reasons: the specific voicing is ambiguous, sounds more like G minor (its relative minor) than Bb major. also the previous phrase with the chromatically descending bassline builds up tension, which is then released by the Gsus chord, which then points towards its relative major (or resolves to G minor, depending on how you analyze it). super weak move, especially after the dramatic chords. the phrase sounds unfinished and ends on a bittersweet note, which is an unusual way to end a tune. please let me know if i made any mistakes or anything. anyway this is a super lush tune. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) whoops, i think i forgot to indicate the flats in the roman numerals. let me correct this: the progression starts in D minor: iv - v - VII - bVI - etc. the Bb7 to Am7 to A lydian move can be interpreted as a IV followed by a passing chord leading to the bIII chord in the key of F dorian. Edited January 28, 2022 by brian trageskin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, brian trageskin said: the Bb7 to Am7 to Ab lydian move can be interpreted as a IV followed by a passing chord leading to the III chord in the key of F dorian (again). last correction i swear. sorry about this. mild OCD apparently. Edited January 29, 2022 by brian trageskin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtificialDisco Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 3 hours ago, brian trageskin said: i analyzed the chord progression of that FFX tune, i'm not sure it's 100% accurate but i did the best i could with my limited knowledge. it took me quite some time to be honest. You mean the AFX tune right? I haven't worked it through myself, to be honest. I might take a serious look tomorrow. I just noticed the familiar themes and feelings of the octatonic scale. There are sections that sound completely within the scale, like the one that starts at 3:14, but most of them only borrow from it. I think there is a score floating around, because I know Philip Glass did an orchestration of this. You could compare that if you don't want to wait for me to sober up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, ArtificialDisco said: You mean the AFX tune right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himelstein Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) On 1/27/2022 at 3:35 PM, brian trageskin said: very cool modulations. someone to analyze the keys and functions (if any) in this? Slightly off topic, but if u ever get a chance to see this, do it: https://ffdistantworlds.com Edited January 29, 2022 by Himelstein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vkxwz Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 If we are on the topic of harmony, why do different intervals sound the way they do in terms of dissonance / consonance? Seems like the more simple the ratio of 2 tones the less dissonant they sound together, except not exactly because it still sounds consonant if its slightly off a simple ratio, despite the actual ratio being not simple at all (for example in 12tet, a fifth isnt a perfect 3/2, but is very close) so whats up here? Could be closeness to simple ratios, or something else like the frequency of the interference pattern, which is definitely audible imo. Maybe someone here will have a much better understanding and will be able to explain it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 damn it 13 hours ago, brian trageskin said: the next phrase starts with F lydian, the bIII chord in D dorian. so we're kinda visiting the key of D dorian again, but only briefly. the next chord is Ab lydian, which is then to be interpreted as the bIII of F dorian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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