keanu reeves Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Welcome to 99 percent of genre fiction. Read the book of the new sun if you want the ideas and world building of dune written by a person with an actual prose style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Funnily enough when Herbert came on the scene (or maybe it was slightly after), everyone considered him 'new wave', breaking from the pulpy non-literature SF that came before it. I guess writers like Dick, Aldis and obviously Ballard hold up a bit better nowadays in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keanu reeves Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) herbert wasn't really new wave. he wasn't avant garde in the way michael moorcock or zelazny was. he basically was the endpoint of old school sf. ballard, alfred bester, leigh brackett, even dick all wrote work that predate dune and are far more avant garde and experimental in terms of literary sensibility. i think of herbert like asimov, attempting to change his work to fit the fashion of the time as classic sf slowly became obsolete during the sixties. dune has a lot of great ideas in it, really strong imagery and world building, but it's a product of a fifties imagination that happened to be concerned with issues of the sixties, but it isn't of the sixties, in the same way as the more progressive, younger writers. Edited February 21, 2017 by keanu reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lopez Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 native son: now here's a goodn. thoroughly enjoying this (enjoying meaning its sad but fulfilling) curtis' modern architecture since 1900 - an standard with which all other histories are judged. the definitive canon of work across the world delivered with humorous and critical prose. just. the. best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerwolf Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just finished Books of Blood volumes 1-3. Cannot wait to read the rest of Barkers work, I don't understand why I never read him back in the day (probably because I had the stupid and foolish mindset that if it wasn't Stephen King it wasn't worth reading) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Vulcan's Hammer was shit. I'm done with reading the pulp sci-fi PKD novels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KovalainenFanBoy Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Read The Road over the course of 3 evenings... Really beautiful book all the way through EXCEPT for the ending where Clint Eastwood & wife come to save the day just 3 days after Papa dies, which kind of dillutes the whole experience. Cormac hinted at the fact that they were being followed a couple times iirc, but still. Kinda cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny O Flannagin Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Started reading The Disaster Artist by Greg Sestero (who plays Mark in The Room). Hard to put down, especially being a huge fan of The Room and Tommy's personality. Some of Greg and Tommy's interactions sound like fan fiction, but I'm trusting that Greg isn't playing things over the top to sell more books. I'd give Greg the benefit of the doubt because of Tommy's eccentricities the book's pretty short, should be finished in a day or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lada Laika Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Started reading The Disaster Artist by Greg Sestero (who plays Mark in The Room). Hard to put down, especially being a huge fan of The Room and Tommy's personality. Some of Greg and Tommy's interactions sound like fan fiction, but I'm trusting that Greg isn't playing things over the top to sell more books. I'd give Greg the benefit of the doubt because of Tommy's eccentricities the book's pretty short, should be finished in a day or so I want everything in this book to be real. Wiseau is a fascinating human being. Great read. Sad they didn't cast Greg as himself in the movie, wasted opportunity imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny O Flannagin Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Started reading The Disaster Artist by Greg Sestero (who plays Mark in The Room). Hard to put down, especially being a huge fan of The Room and Tommy's personality. Some of Greg and Tommy's interactions sound like fan fiction, but I'm trusting that Greg isn't playing things over the top to sell more books. I'd give Greg the benefit of the doubt because of Tommy's eccentricities the book's pretty short, should be finished in a day or so I want everything in this book to be real. Wiseau is a fascinating human being. Great read. Sad they didn't cast Greg as himself in the movie, wasted opportunity imo. Ya i guess Dave Franco is playing Mark. I mean, from what I've read so far, Tommy and Greg's relationship sort of forms a kind of buddy movie with Tommy being the one with the crazy big ideas that aren't fully realized and Greg being the voice of reason for Tommy, while still just going along for the ride. I'm sure Dave and James Franco will have some on screen chemistry by being brothers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lada Laika Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Started reading The Disaster Artist by Greg Sestero (who plays Mark in The Room). Hard to put down, especially being a huge fan of The Room and Tommy's personality. Some of Greg and Tommy's interactions sound like fan fiction, but I'm trusting that Greg isn't playing things over the top to sell more books. I'd give Greg the benefit of the doubt because of Tommy's eccentricities the book's pretty short, should be finished in a day or so I want everything in this book to be real. Wiseau is a fascinating human being. Great read. Sad they didn't cast Greg as himself in the movie, wasted opportunity imo. Ya i guess Dave Franco is playing Mark. I mean, from what I've read so far, Tommy and Greg's relationship sort of forms a kind of buddy movie with Tommy being the one with the crazy big ideas that aren't fully realized and Greg being the voice of reason for Tommy, while still just going along for the ride. I'm sure Dave and James Franco will have some on screen chemistry by being brothers Wait so James Franco is playing Tommy??? I thought he was just directing uuuuggghhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny O Flannagin Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Started reading The Disaster Artist by Greg Sestero (who plays Mark in The Room). Hard to put down, especially being a huge fan of The Room and Tommy's personality. Some of Greg and Tommy's interactions sound like fan fiction, but I'm trusting that Greg isn't playing things over the top to sell more books. I'd give Greg the benefit of the doubt because of Tommy's eccentricities the book's pretty short, should be finished in a day or so I want everything in this book to be real. Wiseau is a fascinating human being. Great read. Sad they didn't cast Greg as himself in the movie, wasted opportunity imo. Ya i guess Dave Franco is playing Mark. I mean, from what I've read so far, Tommy and Greg's relationship sort of forms a kind of buddy movie with Tommy being the one with the crazy big ideas that aren't fully realized and Greg being the voice of reason for Tommy, while still just going along for the ride. I'm sure Dave and James Franco will have some on screen chemistry by being brothers Wait so James Franco is playing Tommy??? I thought he was just directing uuuuggghhh Directing and acting http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3521126/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricone RC Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Gasset's Revolt of the Masses. Seems to mostly consist of a rant about how the bottom half of the white collar set looks down on poshos and thinks it knows what's best for the proles. Oh and they take stuff for granted too. Interesting to think who he would call Mass-Men were he alive today. Mail readers or Guardian readers? Or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tec Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I enjoyed The Disaster Artist, read most of it when I walked into a cafe in Vauxhall that I took to be a greasy spoon but was a twee nightmare. Paid ten quid for a full English. Anyway. He gets the balance right between laughing at Tommy whilst making him sympathetic, I'm sure the film will be awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spratters Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Franz Kafke - The Castle. Reading after getting fairly into The Trial. This is currently working in the same vein which I quite like. Haven't noticed how far I am through as it's part of a collection in a single book and haven't looked ahead. Guess I'm about half way. Enjoying so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Sumbitches Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I enjoyed The Disaster Artist, read most of it when I walked into a cafe in Vauxhall that I took to be a greasy spoon but was a twee nightmare. Paid ten quid for a full English. Anyway. He gets the balance right between laughing at Tommy whilst making him sympathetic, I'm sure the film will be awful. A mate of mine ordered me a pair of Tommy Wiseau-branded undercrackers for my birthday a few years ago, proper Y-front job, came with a signed photo of the man (?) himself. Can't quite bring myself to wear them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tec Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 ^I definitely wouldn't, I high-fived him at a screening and felt the need to wash my hand immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 i think of herbert like asimov, attempting to change his work to fit the fashion of the time as classic sf slowly became obsolete during the sixties. dune has a lot of great ideas in it, really strong imagery and world building, but it's a product of a fifties imagination I appreciate this. I'm a pretty lazy reader, maybe 5 books a year. I read Dune when I was 17 and my family was about to move across the country and all my shit was in boxes so I didn't have much else to do. I've tried to re-read it a few times since and I couldn't put my finger on why I couldn't get past page 12 or so, but have no problem reading e.g. any PKD. What you said rings true, both about the fifties imagination and the Asimov comparison, although there is something else about Asimov that I find a lot more interesting. Maybe it's a bit more imaginative, it doesn't have that pop-nerd-reek to it like so many things begging to get made into a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tec Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 i think of herbert like asimov, attempting to change his work to fit the fashion of the time as classic sf slowly became obsolete during the sixties. dune has a lot of great ideas in it, really strong imagery and world building, but it's a product of a fifties imagination and I couldn't put my finger on why I couldn't get past page 12 The main character of s sci-fi epic being called Paul always done it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Mere Christianity (CS Lewis). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Bore Hole It's about a man who trepanated himself. A trepanation is an operation where a little hole is drilled into the skull. He seeked to expand his mind and get to a higher level of consciousness by doing that - and it worked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sally Vingoe Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 It's about a man who trepanated himself. A trepanation is an operation where a little hole is drilled into the skull. He seeked to expand his mind and get to a higher level of consciousness by doing that - and it worked no it didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 It's about a man who trepanated himself. A trepanation is an operation where a little hole is drilled into the skull. He seeked to expand his mind and get to a higher level of consciousness by doing that - and it worked no it didn't Well, some would consider his mental state a neurological problem - but for him it worked, he feels high all the time now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KovalainenFanBoy Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Bore Hole It's about a man who trepanated himself. A trepanation is an operation where a little hole is drilled into the skull. He seeked to expand his mind and get to a higher level of consciousness by doing that - and it worked I'm now reading an interview with the guy and it's making me kinda nauseous, so thanks for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bechuga Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 It's about a man who trepanated himself. A trepanation is an operation where a little hole is drilled into the skull. He seeked to expand his mind and get to a higher level of consciousness by doing that - and it worked no it didn't Well, some would consider his mental state a neurological problem - but for him it worked, he feels high all the time now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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