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#15951 goDel

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 10:48 PM

I thought the entire western civilization was in agreement about the US healthcare system being the biggest tearjerker of them all. Even though there might some different reasons for it, mind you. A tiny fraction, mainly in the US want more market. And the bloody majority thinks the us healthcare market is completely fucked up and needs better regulation. Which is different to both less and more regulation, btw!

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 06:57 AM

So are you saying doctors shouldn’t make $180k a year?

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 07:46 AM

Where are doctors making that little?
https://globalnews.c...cian-workforce/

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 07:58 AM

Yes there are doctor shortages, of course they are worse in Moncton NB, because it’s not a place reasonable people want to live, even though it’s the largest city in the province, its population is around 80k.


Oh hi there! As a Monconian, I feel the need to defend my hometown.

If you're into making money, NB isn't the place to be. But if you're fine with living modestly and still have access to big city things, Moncton is good. Rent and house costs are dirt cheap. There's a good art/music scene. There are some amazing parks and natural hideaways less than an hour outside the city.

The case of a person dying while waiting at the hospital is extremely rare. But wait times of three, four, five hours is pretty standard. You bring a book or two, or a tablet with your charger when going through triage. I usually drive 40 minutes to Sackville when I want to get checked out for something since the wait times are usually less than an hour there.



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 08:11 AM

 

Dude, I live in Canada. I go to walk-in clinics all the time.

 

 

Wait, I thought you lived in Japan 100km away from Fukushima? I'm confused. 



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 08:57 AM

I want to believe there are still Republicans who are decent human beings. But their primary directive today is anilingus to the Don.

I'm just glad Lisa Murkowski, one of my state's GOP senators, still has some common sense.

 

She's probably the last moderate / centrist Republican in office and I say that because she had enough backbone to vote against Kavanaugh. Susan Collins and Flake are pretty much complacent at this point.

 

10, hell even 5 years ago I could still say there were reasonable. They've all since been voted out in primaries, retired or died. I'm skeptical of Romney and other "never Trumpers" in office biding their time, I think they've all either gone full-in or rather stay in office than risk switching parties. Same thing happened in Texas on the state level. 

 

Moderate Republicans don't exist anymore. Hell, the GOP as a centrist to conservative right wing party doesn't exist anymore. It's full blown right-wing nationalist populism. It's proto-fascism. Tea Party movement in 2008 started it, Trump ended it. Anyone not falling in line was out-funded in primaries, and bombarded with negative campaign ads via social media. In the 90s it was common for Republicans from the suburbs and metropolitan areas to be openly pro-choice or for family planning. In 2019 legislators are getting death threats for blocking bills that would make women who had abortions charged with capital murder.

 

They went hard right, abandoned any sense of honesty and integrity, they relished in the loosened campaign finance laws, gerrymandered more districts, and successfully pushed for voter deterrence laws on the state level. The scary thing is instead of splitting into two parties and handing them Dems dominance they've made it impossible for true centrists to run, and likewise moved the goal post so that "centrism" in 2019 means "not really ok with racism, corruption, and top down oppression of the opposition."



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:16 AM

 

I want to believe there are still Republicans who are decent human beings. But their primary directive today is anilingus to the Don.

I'm just glad Lisa Murkowski, one of my state's GOP senators, still has some common sense.

 

She's probably the last moderate / centrist Republican in office and I say that because she had enough backbone to vote against Kavanaugh. Susan Collins and Flake are pretty much complacent at this point.

 

10, hell even 5 years ago I could still say there were reasonable. They've all since been voted out in primaries, retired or died. I'm skeptical of Romney and other "never Trumpers" in office biding their time, I think they've all either gone full-in or rather stay in office than risk switching parties. Same thing happened in Texas on the state level. 

 

Moderate Republicans don't exist anymore. Hell, the GOP as a centrist to conservative right wing party doesn't exist anymore. It's full blown right-wing nationalist populism. It's proto-fascism. Tea Party movement in 2008 started it, Trump ended it. Anyone not falling in line was out-funded in primaries, and bombarded with negative campaign ads via social media. In the 90s it was common for Republicans from the suburbs and metropolitan areas to be openly pro-choice or for family planning. In 2019 legislators are getting death threats for blocking bills that would make women who had abortions charged with capital murder.

 

They went hard right, abandoned any sense of honesty and integrity, they relished in the loosened campaign finance laws, gerrymandered more districts, and successfully pushed for voter deterrence laws on the state level. The scary thing is instead of splitting into two parties and handing them Dems dominance they've made it impossible for true centrists to run, and likewise moved the goal post so that "centrism" in 2019 means "not really ok with racism, corruption, and top down oppression of the opposition."

 

And my understanding with the increased polarization is that the GOP itself is shrinking. I mean, look at the captain of their ship.

And freshmen congresswomen like AOC and Ilhan Omar have already been receiving death threats from the right, simply because of who they are. And the GOP heavy hitters like Mitch McConnell won't even bring any bills to the Senate floor for a vote that are intended to keep Trump's power in check. And John Bolton (aka the Evil Lorax) keeps beating the war drums over Iran, and for what?

 

The Republican party as we know it now is rotten to the core. So they can either stage a mutiny, or let their ship sink under their lunatic captain.



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:19 AM

So are you saying doctors shouldn’t make $180k a year?

 

that's some 8th debate Ben Shapiro "wHy nOt rAiSe tHe mIniMUm wAge to $100/hr !?" horseshit

 

no one is fucking saying that or even implying it

 

the TLDR everyone is saying is that the US system is literally the worst of both private and public healthcare, an underfunded and constricted public system and a lobbyist-driven corporate hell that is the insurance industry. the private insurance industry literally gets to divert public tax revenue into a system they control, and then push the costs back onto the public. we literally pay the highest taxes with the most pathetic and meager benefits issued. in my situation my wife has kept her job because my insurance premiums would amount to over 25% of my entire income just to legally have my family insured. that's just for the minimum. that's after my employer is already contributing a substantial part of the premium. I can't even go to specialists without shelling out $50-75 a visit. 

 

there's no room for compromise or gradual improvement if the system is already so fucked, so bring on single-payer 

 

I like you a lot sheathe but even I'm getting exhausted reading your posts on this subject


Edited by joshuatx, 16 April 2019 - 09:38 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 01:55 PM

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 02:50 PM

 

 

Dude, I live in Canada. I go to walk-in clinics all the time.

 

 

Wait, I thought you lived in Japan 100km away from Fukushima? I'm confused. 

 

 

Did you just assume his geolocation?



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 03:08 PM

Dude, I live in Canada. I go to walk-in clinics all the time.


Wait, I thought you lived in Japan 100km away from Fukushima? I'm confused.

Did you just assume his geolocation?

Lol.

Travel, MDM Chaos. 3 weeks in Japan, two of them roughly 112 km from the Daiichi reactor site.

Did anyone catch Bernie’s town hall on Fox?

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 04:15 PM

Where are doctors making that little?
https://globalnews.c...cian-workforce/


USA buddy. https://www.google.c...-doctors-2/amp/

Also the link you posted is in CA dollars?

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 04:23 PM

189K USD = 252K CAD so not far off (from the 271K in the article for family physicians).



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 04:33 PM

So are you saying doctors shouldn’t make $180k a year?

that's some 8th debate Ben Shapiro "wHy nOt rAiSe tHe mIniMUm wAge to $100/hr !?" horseshit

no one is fucking saying that or even implying it

the TLDR everyone is saying is that the US system is literally the worst of both private and public healthcare, an underfunded and constricted public system and a lobbyist-driven corporate hell that is the insurance industry. the private insurance industry literally gets to divert public tax revenue into a system they control, and then push the costs back onto the public. we literally pay the highest taxes with the most pathetic and meager benefits issued. in my situation my wife has kept her job because my insurance premiums would amount to over 25% of my entire income just to legally have my family insured. that's just for the minimum. that's after my employer is already contributing a substantial part of the premium. I can't even go to specialists without shelling out $50-75 a visit.

there's no room for compromise or gradual improvement if the system is already so fucked, so bring on single-payer

I like you a lot sheathe but even I'm getting exhausted reading your posts on this subject
I really get the impression that no one is actually reading my posts.

I’m in the same boat as you. Pay ridiculous amounts of money on health insurance.

I think everyone actually agrees with me about the root causes of why the USA has terrible health care/insurance.

Mostly greed/privatization

The only difference is I don’t agree that it can be fixed so simply, and I definitely don’t believe that there are some magical set of politicians that really care and are smart enough to make impactful policy.

I just don’t believe in utopia, certainly not for America.

But my MAIN point there was, don’t you think there is a problem in believing health care should not be for profit, but also saying doctors can still make $300k a year?

The entire system is based around the idea that people will pay anything to save their or a loved one’s life. Based on the idea that human life is worth any cost.

So medication can cost $3k a month no problem. So health insurance can cost $1200 a month. So you can pay the hospital pediatrician $1700 to walk in and ask you 3 questions and check boxes off a form.

My original post about the healthcare system was about how every single aspect of it is working against us, both private and public institutions, all trying to get a piece of the pie.

And I’m worried about the next generation of doctors. I’m worried that even half altruism is dying away.

I don’t see how my views are so infuriating or offensive...

Edited by sheathe, 16 April 2019 - 04:35 PM.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 04:36 PM

But, I would be 100% for single payer if I didn’t have to pay more than I already freaking do.

Might as well try it out.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 06:24 PM

Where are doctors making that little?
https://globalnews.c...cian-workforce/

USA buddy. https://www.google.c...-doctors-2/amp/

Also the link you posted is in CA dollars?

So you’re saying doctors make more in a socialist system?
Note that the issue here is the profit of the labour goes to capital in the US system, but goes to the actual labourers in Canada.

So no issue in doctors making that much here.

Note the point I’ve been making: in America, you spend more for worse health outcomes.

Also, when Bernie brought up Medicare for all on that fox townhall, he got a loud cheer.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 06:59 PM

I’m ready, let’s do it.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 07:47 PM

 

Did anyone catch Bernie’s town hall on Fox?

 

 

yeah. good watch. 

 

 


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:33 PM

Dems just can't handle Bernie's popularity...smeared from all sides

 

He got balls for sure...Fox town hall, released tax returns...over 70



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 11:10 PM

The deck seems to be stacking in his favor. That can only be a good thing.



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 11:11 PM

But, I would be 100% for single payer if I didn’t have to pay more than I already freaking do.
Might as well try it out.

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This is complete rubbish, btw.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 11:38 PM

lol, it's literally the first image result when you google "single payer healthcare"

 

it's just funny is all. i hope we can have single payer and everyone is happy. i don't need much medical care. i never go to the doctor. i just try to take care of myself, eat right, etc.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 11:48 PM

oh, now this is why people like single payer

 

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 12:31 AM

lol, it's literally the first image result when you google "single payer healthcare"

 

it's just funny is all. i hope we can have single payer and everyone is happy. i don't need much medical care. i never go to the doctor. i just try to take care of myself, eat right, etc.

 

first you start out crying about how you think no-one reads your posts. and now you're basically just trolling. dude, wtf. what is your problem?

 

please don't reply because you're already on my troll list. no reason to take anything you post seriously. good luck with your bs arguments.



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Posted 17 April 2019 - 12:53 AM

But, I would be 100% for single payer if I didn’t have to pay more than I already freaking do.

Might as well try it out.

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Good troll. Look at who produced the poster.



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