2020 US Election

**auxien** · April 26

taphead · April 26

These two people in the background are pretty funny, like one of them is happy about it but then one of them is evil-happy about it

usagi · April 27

Derp

Edited April 27 by usagi

**auxien** · April 27

Quote

Balaji’s 2022 book, The Network State: How to Start a New Country. The book outlines a plan for tech plutocrats to exit democracy and establish new sovereign territories. I mentioned Balaji’s ideas in two previous stories about Network State–related efforts in California—a proposed tech colony called California Forever and the tech-funded campaign to capture San Francisco’s government.

...

“What I’m really calling for is something like tech Zionism,” he said, after comparing his movement to those started by the biblical Abraham, Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith (founder of Mormonism), Theodor Herzl (“spiritual father” of the state of Israel), and Lee Kuan Yew (former authoritarian ruler of Singapore). Balaji then revealed his shocking ideas for a tech-governed city where citizens loyal to tech companies would form a new political tribe clad in gray t-shirts. “And if you see another Gray on the street … you do the nod,” he said, during a four-hour talk on the Moment of Zen podcast. “You’re a fellow Gray.”

...

“Grays should embrace the police, okay? All-in on the police,” said Srinivasan. “What does that mean? That’s, as I said, banquets. That means every policeman’s son, daughter, wife, cousin, you know, sibling, whatever, should get a job at a tech company in security.”

...

Everyone would be welcome at the Gray Pride march—everyone, that is, except the Blues. Srinivasan defines the Blue political tribe as the liberal voters he implies are responsible for the city’s problems. Blues will be banned from the Gray-controlled zones, said Balaji, unlike Republicans (“Reds”).

“Reds should be welcomed there, and people should wear their tribal colors,” said Srinivasan, who compared his color-coded apartheid system to the Bloods vs. Crips gang rivalry. “No Blues should be welcomed there.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/180487/balaji-srinivasan-network-state-plutocrat

for once i really, really hope the CIA is watching this fucker & his friends closely. yknow, to make sure there's no dramatic nonconfirmable accident that happens to him somewhere.

**ignatius** · April 27

3 hours ago, auxien said:

https://newrepublic.com/article/180487/balaji-srinivasan-network-state-plutocrat

for once i really, really hope the CIA is watching this fucker & his friends closely. yknow, to make sure there's no dramatic nonconfirmable accident that happens to him somewhere.

jfc they're all lunatics. that article is hilarious. the "greys" and "blues" thing is just absurd. where do these assholes get such shitty ideas?

“Balaji has the highest rate of output per minute of good new ideas of anybody I’ve ever met,” wrote Marc Andreessen, co-founder of the V.C. firm Andreessen-Horowitz,

Edited April 27 by ignatius

**may be rude** · April 29

it's unfortunate that people have been waiting around for the trials to take care of the problem. a court commentator said that the soonest jack smith could start a trial for the coup charges would be last week of august, which would place the end of the trial at the end of october.

it's technically possible that a trial could be scheduled close to the election. doj has an internal guidance - not even a rule - that for 60 days before an election there should be no overt investigative steps, like searching a property, or indictments of candidates. trial scheduling is something completely different. trump is already indicted. he should want to clear his name. the justice system doesn't wait around for when it's convenient for you to stand trial. the DOJ guidance is for the purpose of not being unfair by doing an overt investigative step or an indictment 60 days before an election because the person wouldn't get a chance to be tried before the election.

but many doj analysts view it as unlikely that jack smith would attempt and succeed to get the trial scheduled at that soonest point.

the NY state trial for the 2016 election scheme is very likely the only criminal trial we will see before the election.

Edited April 29 by may be rude

zero · April 29

dude look at this shit - the trials don't matter at all:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

the election could be today and it'd be the same neck and neck outcome that it would be this November. that's why this whole thing is just so incredibly fucked. in a normal world, y'know where right and wrong matter, donald would have no shot at becoming president AGAIN after the disaster that was his first stint in office. but morality, ethics, what is considered normal, good, etc. has been so severely run through the fuckin shredder thanks to what phones/fake AI/internet has done to society, that we are exactly in the sordid spot we are in - looking at a potential return of the most idiotic, most openly corrupt president the US has ever had! the fact that he has done all this stupid and illegal shit and almost half the fucking country still supports him, is 100% indication that we are living in a technologically fueled idiocracy, where the loudest most arrogant grifters are able to get away with it all.

**may be rude** · April 29

shit's gonna get weird if he gets in there

**may be rude** · April 29

1 hour ago, zero said:

dude look at this shit - the trials don't matter at all:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

presidential election is not by popular vote. it's about 8 swing states.

arizona

georgia

michigan

minnesota

nevada

pennsylvannia

ohio

wisconsin

AZ is looking safer for biden because they put a draconian abortion thing on the ballot

GA is looking harder for biden than it was in 2020. they don't have the senate races. last polls have trump up by 6 or 7

MI had trump polling ahead recently but the most recent poll shows biden up by 1

MN show biden leading in last polls

NV has trump ahead by 5 or 10 points

OH is considered a redder swing state like florida these days

PA has trump up by one point in latest poll

WI has trump up in latest polls

270towin has an interactive presidential election map

https://www.270towin.com/

you can start at "2020 actual" and then give trump GA, PA and WI and he wins

georgia was won by 12,000 votes in 2020

arizona was won by 10,000 votes in 2020

wisconsin was won by 20,000 votes in 2020

2020 was won by citizens who fought in the information war. we win this by sharing good facts with people. like: did you know that in january 2021, for the first time in american history, all living former secretaries of defense signed a public letter saying that the military must stay out of any election dispute? that's because the military was worried about being used in trump's coup attempt. https://apnews.com/article/10-former-pentagon-chiefs-trump-warning-eac5170301db792231b94537bfbbceff

when talking to people about politics and the election, this dimension of "good facts" is the key dimension to keep your eye on. you want to select for sharing information that is good facts. facts that are relevant, interesting, well-substantiated, easy to check.

btw these polls are in one-on-one match-ups. RFK (whose family publicly endorsed biden) and whoever else will complicate it.

Edited April 29 by may be rude

**ignatius** · April 29

1 hour ago, may be rude said:

presidential election is not by popular vote. it's about 8 swing states.

arizona

georgia

michigan

minnesota

nevada

pennsylvannia

ohio

wisconsin

AZ is looking safer for biden because they put a draconian abortion thing on the ballot

GA is looking harder for biden than it was in 2020. they don't have the senate races. last polls have trump up by 6 or 7

MI had trump polling ahead recently but the most recent poll shows biden up by 1

MN show biden leading in last polls

NV has trump ahead by 5 or 10 points

OH is considered a redder swing state like florida these days

PA has trump up by one point in latest poll

WI has trump up in latest polls

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/arizona/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/georgia/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/michigan/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/minnesota/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/nevada/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/ohio/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/wisconsin/

270towin has an interactive presidential election map

https://www.270towin.com/

you can start at "2020 actual" and then give trump GA, PA and WI and he wins

georgia was won by 12,000 votes in 2020

arizona was won by 10,000 votes in 2020

wisconsin was won by 20,000 votes in 2020

2020 was won by citizens who fought in the information war. we win this by sharing good facts with people. like: did you know that in january 2021, for the first time in american history, all living former secretaries of defense signed a public letter saying that the military must stay out of any election dispute? that's because the military was worried about being used in trump's coup attempt. https://apnews.com/article/10-former-pentagon-chiefs-trump-warning-eac5170301db792231b94537bfbbceff

when talking to people about politics and the election, this dimension of "good facts" is the key dimension to keep your eye on. you want to select for sharing information that is good facts. facts that are relevant, interesting, well-substantiated, easy to check.

btw these polls are in one-on-one match-ups. RFK (whose family publicly endorsed biden) and whoever else will complicate it.

i fucking hate all this shit. i hate the polls. i hate the predictions. i hate the swing states and i hate the electoral college. it's all bullshit. i fucking hate it. i hate it.

**auxien** · April 29

sorry didn't read all y'all's posts there but just remember that today is not election day

the 538 average of polls is pretty solid, but this far out from election day it doesn't tell you much. all it's good for now is noticing trends, and maybe catching reactions to big huge news events, and some general ideas on strong/weak areas for all candidates

6 months is a long time

**ignatius** · April 29

4 minutes ago, auxien said:

sorry didn't read all y'all's posts there but just remember that today is not election day

the 538 average of polls is pretty solid, but this far out from election day it doesn't tell you much. all it's good for now is noticing trends, and maybe catching reactions to big huge news events, and some general ideas on strong/weak areas for all candidates

6 months is a long time

yeah.. just general gripes about the forever long election season, the news cycle and all the spin and fucking "swing voters" who can't find their way out of a wet paper bag.

wasnt 538 famously wrong about enough things in 2016 to catch some shade? i remember various breakdowns of all that.. maybe they were right but only about popular vote.. but wrong about swing states and stuff. i've seen several interviews and stories about people in various rural and small towns and even edges of larger places in the midwest where people say "things were better under trump because a loaf of bread is thru the roof expensive now!" and shit like that. people ready to vote against their own interests.. as is the american way.

**auxien** · April 29

4 minutes ago, ignatius said:

wasnt 538 famously wrong about enough things in 2016 to catch some shade? i remember various breakdowns of all that.. maybe they were right but only about popular vote.. but wrong about swing states and stuff.

yeah, and they owned the miss and corrected as best as possible. any predictions of the future are subject to errors, it's about reducing and tempering expectations (what i'm trying to remind y'all of here when getting downtrodden about polls)

6 minutes ago, ignatius said:

i've seen several interviews and stories about people in various rural and small towns and even edges of larger places in the midwest where people say "things were better under trump because a loaf of bread is thru the roof expensive now!" and shit like that. people ready to vote against their own interests.. as is the american way.

lots of Americans benefit in the short and/or long term when an R is in office. the loaf of bread/gas prices/etc usually has little if anything to do with real benefit/loss tho, but it's sometimes sorta related, sometimes a self-fulfilling kind of prophecy. the problem is that 'lots of Americans' is not 'most Americans' ....the idea is to make the most benefit for the largest groups who are currently hurting the most. even the playing field. many Americans don't want that, whether they admit it or not.

**Rubin Farr** · April 29

1 hour ago, may be rude said:

presidential election is not by popular vote. it's about 8 swing states.

arizona

georgia

michigan

minnesota

nevada

pennsylvannia

ohio

wisconsin

AZ is looking safer for biden because they put a draconian abortion thing on the ballot

GA is looking harder for biden than it was in 2020. they don't have the senate races. last polls have trump up by 6 or 7

MI had trump polling ahead recently but the most recent poll shows biden up by 1

MN show biden leading in last polls

NV has trump ahead by 5 or 10 points

OH is considered a redder swing state like florida these days

PA has trump up by one point in latest poll

WI has trump up in latest polls

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/arizona/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/georgia/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/michigan/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/minnesota/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/nevada/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/ohio/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/wisconsin/

270towin has an interactive presidential election map

https://www.270towin.com/

you can start at "2020 actual" and then give trump GA, PA and WI and he wins

georgia was won by 12,000 votes in 2020

arizona was won by 10,000 votes in 2020

wisconsin was won by 20,000 votes in 2020

2020 was won by citizens who fought in the information war. we win this by sharing good facts with people. like: did you know that in january 2021, for the first time in american history, all living former secretaries of defense signed a public letter saying that the military must stay out of any election dispute? that's because the military was worried about being used in trump's coup attempt. https://apnews.com/article/10-former-pentagon-chiefs-trump-warning-eac5170301db792231b94537bfbbceff

when talking to people about politics and the election, this dimension of "good facts" is the key dimension to keep your eye on. you want to select for sharing information that is good facts. facts that are relevant, interesting, well-substantiated, easy to check.

btw these polls are in one-on-one match-ups. RFK (whose family publicly endorsed biden) and whoever else will complicate it.

Florida likely won’t turn purple this time, but legalizing abortion and recreational marijuana on the ballot could drive voters to undo some of the bullshit DeSantis has enacted.

**ignatius** · April 29

5 minutes ago, auxien said:

yeah, and they owned the miss and corrected as best as possible. any predictions of the future are subject to errors, it's about reducing and tempering expectations (what i'm trying to remind y'all of here when getting downtrodden about polls)

lots of Americans benefit in the short and/or long term when an R is in office. the loaf of bread/gas prices/etc usually has little if anything to do with real benefit/loss tho, but it's sometimes sorta related, sometimes a self-fulfilling kind of prophecy. the problem is that 'lots of Americans' is not 'most Americans' ....the idea is to make the most benefit for the largest groups who are currently hurting the most. even the playing field. many Americans don't want that, whether they admit it or not.

was generally low income people dealing with complex problems of their situation/life/town/industry. it's that thing when they would ask someone about obamacare and they'd say it was dumb and should go away then the reporter would ask about the affordable care act and medicaid expansion and the same people would say how much that's helped them and saved their lives or whatever... facepalm. republican/foxnews etc messaging worked very well with all that.

also what usually happens.. a bunch of things get passed during a democrats administration.. those things take a few years to roll out and benefit people.. that democrat doesn't get re-elected.. then things get good for some people and they attribute it to the republican who just took office a month ago.

Satans Little Helper · April 29

those 538 predictions look worrisome

whatever the outcome (yeah, it's f-ing annoying it's basically a bunch of swing states deciding the entire outcome), i'm going to take it as it is. and hope there's not another pandemic.

if trump wins, maybe there's a silver lining. (wishful thinking) maybe he'll do what nobody expects: be tough on putin/ukraine war. yeah, i went there. i hope trump will find a reason in his sociopathic/narcissistic mind to go tough on putin. call it the art of the "trump chaos deal", if you will. trump tries to do what he thinks is good and in doing so runs the (any) business (=putin) into the ground. trump running any business into the ground is the only constant i know.

too bad for the us economy though. that will also be run into the ground.

another silver lining however is that an awful US economy (read: US economy not growing) tends to be great for the environment!

for my emotional wellbeing i'm hoping for a biden win. if it's trump, i'll have a good reason to ignore the news. and become religious so i can pray to god the world will survive another trump presidency. just to get that placebo-peace-of-mind religious effect.

/moves to a swing state to make my vote count

**auxien** · April 29

14 minutes ago, Satans Little Helper said:

/moves to a swing state to make my vote count

better narrow down exact location more than that....iirc the last one was really decided by like a few counties in particular swing states. the margins are so fucking narrow, i expect this year will be similar enough

Alcofribas · April 29

2 minutes ago, auxien said:

better narrow down exact location more than that....iirc the last one was really decided by like a few counties in particular swing states. the margins are so fucking narrow, i expect this year will be similar enough

dems can simply go to these counties and share good facts it’s fine

Satans Little Helper · April 29

3 minutes ago, auxien said:

better narrow down exact location more than that....iirc the last one was really decided by like a few counties in particular swing states. the margins are so fucking narrow, i expect this year will be similar enough

I'll take any advice. those purple counties might be interesting to settle. because, politically diverse people ;d :S

decibal cooper · April 29

Just now, Alcofribas said:

dems can simply go to these counties and share good facts it’s fine

I heard they are gonna rein in Israel finally, good news for Michigan, prominent dems did a pinky swear with Bibi

Satans Little Helper · April 29

*has a glass of contaminated water with the bibi

zero · April 29

1 hour ago, Satans Little Helper said:

if trump wins, maybe there's a silver lining. (wishful thinking) maybe he'll do what nobody expects: be tough on putin/ukraine war. yeah, i went there. i hope trump will find a reason in his sociopathic/narcissistic mind to go tough on putin. call it the art of the "trump chaos deal", if you will. trump tries to do what he thinks is good and in doing so runs the (any) business (=putin) into the ground. trump running any business into the ground is the only constant i know.

not a chance. he's had multiple chances to be tougher on Putin, and every time squirmed his way out of it. plus trumps massive ego will never allow him to play nice with Zelensky after that whole Robert Mueller thing. Putin owns trump. they are brothers from a different mother.

1 hour ago, Satans Little Helper said:

too bad for the us economy though. that will also be run into the ground.

definitely. trump gets elected the markets will tank. then slowly, naturally they will eventually find their way back up, and trump will try and take all the credit, even though he will have caused them to nosedive. it's what he does best. destroys shit then takes all the credit when someone else picks up the pieces.

1 hour ago, Satans Little Helper said:

for my emotional wellbeing i'm hoping for a biden win. if it's trump, i'll have a good reason to ignore the news. and become religious so i can pray to god the world will survive another trump presidency. just to get that placebo-peace-of-mind religious effect.

for all our well being I'm hoping for Biden. but the shitty thing about this is that trump is going to then want to run again in 2028. he's the annoying guy at the party that won't leave you alone and doesn't know when to leave.

Satans Little Helper · April 29

if biden wins, IF, would trump ask biden for a pardon? and would he get it? i'm sure trump would get his way somehow...

**may be rude** · April 30

5 hours ago, Alcofribas said:

dems can simply go to these counties and share good facts it’s fine

yes brother laugh but i'm right. people share a lot of innuendo, 10th-hand brain garbage. with 6 months of consequence amplification, and ample facts to use, an individual applying themself could turn a state. no one will ever know that history was altered but you can do it.

telling a single good fact to a single individual can have cascading consequences that could change the course of world history and even avert nuclear armaggeddon. prove me wrong

Edited April 30 by may be rude

**ignatius** · April 30

27 minutes ago, may be rude said:

yes brother laugh but i'm right. people share a lot of innuendo, 10th-hand brain garbage. with 6 months of consequence amplification, and ample facts to use, an individual applying themself could turn a state. no one will ever know that history was altered but you can do it.

telling a single good fact to a single individual can have cascading consequences that could change the course of world history and even avert nuclear armaggeddon. prove me wrong

pee is stored in the balls.

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