chenGOD Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I drink green kombucha to freak people out but it's also the secret to large ejacs according to urban legend Oh it's alright to drink the stuff. It's the people that try and push their trendy stuff on others. I've got a guy I used to work with that wouldn't shut up about all of its supposed health benefits etc, and he'd criticize any time I was having a coffee or whatever, about how bad the caffeine in the coffee was and how the coffee was harvested blah blah blah lol Yeah, it's not hipster or trendy. It's called science. The microbiome in your gut is extremely sensitive, but also responsible for well-being. Not only physical, but mental health as well. If you drink kombucha regularly you're improving the likelihood that your gut microbiome will be healthy, and thus you will be healthier and happier. Do you have any long-term clinical studies you could provide showing the benefits of kombucha? The internet is out there for you to research all of this. Recommended starting points: Dr. Rhonda Patrick, FoundMyFitness, ncbi The gut bacteria is as varied as the planets in the universe so you can look at anything related to gut bacteria and relate that back to food intake and lifestyle choices. If you have a specific issue you're looking to remedy you can find specific strains of bacteria to focus on. Is there a lot of completed research on the effects of kombucha? Not really. Is there currently a ton of new findings on gut bacteria and the its relationship to health as well as studies on the effects of kombucha? Yes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=kombucha http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/magazine/can-the-bacteria-in-your-gut-explain-your-mood.html?_r=2 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140825152016.htm "The recent experimental studies on the consumption of KT suggest that it is suitable for prevention against broad-spectrum metabolic and infective disorders. This makes KT attractive as a fermented functional beverage for health prophylaxis." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24192111 Truthfully, if you want optimum health, increased longevity, etc. you're going to have to do a lot of research on your own, and be your own guinea pig. Even scientific studies do not account for all the possibilities of a certain self-applied therapy. The most important thing to understand is that changing one aspect of your behavior or nutritional intake is not going to solve all your problems. It's multi-faceted and there is no cure all. It's really a process. You link to a search with 65 results - some of which have nothing to do with kombucha, others which have to do with the preparation of kombucha - a nytimes article that doesn't mention the word kombucha, and an interesting article on food allergies that again doesn't mention kombucha (both fascinating articles though, thanks for the links - that nytimes article is especially cool). Unfortunately that last link is to a paywalled journal article that not even my university library has access to. The abstract (from which you quoted only one sentence) reads thusly: Consumption of kombucha fermented tea (KT) has always been associated with different health benefits. Many personal experiences and testimonials of KT drinkers are available throughout the world on the ability of KT to protect against a vast number of metabolic and infectious diseases, but very little scientific evidence is available that validates the beneficial effects of KT. The aim of this review is to give an overview of the recent studies in search of experimental confirmation of the numerous KT health-promoting aspects cited previously. Analysis of the literature data is carried out in correspondence to the recent concepts of health protection's requirements. Attention is given to the active compounds in KT, responsible for the particular effect, and to the mechanisms of their actions. It is shown that KT can efficiently act in health prophylaxis and recovery due to four main properties: detoxification, antioxidation, energizing potencies, and promotion of depressed immunity. The recent experimental studies on the consumption of KT suggest that it is suitable for prevention against broad-spectrum metabolic and infective disorders. This makes KT attractive as a fermented functional beverage for health prophylaxis. So the answer is, there are no clinical studies done on humans, but there are some experimental studies showing potentially promising results from tests done on rats however (Although those results might be mitigated somewhat by the possibility of acute renal failure in humans: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19460826- of course it's only one case). So when you say stuff like "Yeah, it's not hipster or trendy. It's called science" and then tell me later that "Even scientific studies do not account for all the possibilities of a certain self-applied therapy" you're not really saying anything. For the record, I have no horse in this race - I just wanted to point out this is the kind of shit Stephen G was talking about. "Oh yeah X is wonderful, you should get right on it!" There's no evidence, I'm just supposed to have faith. On the other hand, the health benefits (and risks) of coffee are well known. So Stephen G - next time that dude goes on about how bad coffee is, punch him in the face. With your dick. stop being a spastic. I told you to do the research for yourself. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3864899/ Sounds like you're angry. Might I suggest some kombucha? Also you linked me to another article that has nothing to do with kombucha. It does have to do with some forms of probiotics, but not the one active in kombucha. Also baph you want to be careful with kimchi - possible link to gastric cancer: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4316045/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11802218 I love kimchi though, so totally understand your addiction. Also delicious beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adieu Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I drink green kombucha to freak people out but it's also the secret to large ejacs according to urban legend Oh it's alright to drink the stuff. It's the people that try and push their trendy stuff on others. I've got a guy I used to work with that wouldn't shut up about all of its supposed health benefits etc, and he'd criticize any time I was having a coffee or whatever, about how bad the caffeine in the coffee was and how the coffee was harvested blah blah blah lol Yeah, it's not hipster or trendy. It's called science. The microbiome in your gut is extremely sensitive, but also responsible for well-being. Not only physical, but mental health as well. If you drink kombucha regularly you're improving the likelihood that your gut microbiome will be healthy, and thus you will be healthier and happier. Do you have any long-term clinical studies you could provide showing the benefits of kombucha? The internet is out there for you to research all of this. Recommended starting points: Dr. Rhonda Patrick, FoundMyFitness, ncbi The gut bacteria is as varied as the planets in the universe so you can look at anything related to gut bacteria and relate that back to food intake and lifestyle choices. If you have a specific issue you're looking to remedy you can find specific strains of bacteria to focus on. Is there a lot of completed research on the effects of kombucha? Not really. Is there currently a ton of new findings on gut bacteria and the its relationship to health as well as studies on the effects of kombucha? Yes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=kombucha http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/magazine/can-the-bacteria-in-your-gut-explain-your-mood.html?_r=2 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140825152016.htm "The recent experimental studies on the consumption of KT suggest that it is suitable for prevention against broad-spectrum metabolic and infective disorders. This makes KT attractive as a fermented functional beverage for health prophylaxis." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24192111 Truthfully, if you want optimum health, increased longevity, etc. you're going to have to do a lot of research on your own, and be your own guinea pig. Even scientific studies do not account for all the possibilities of a certain self-applied therapy. The most important thing to understand is that changing one aspect of your behavior or nutritional intake is not going to solve all your problems. It's multi-faceted and there is no cure all. It's really a process. You link to a search with 65 results - some of which have nothing to do with kombucha, others which have to do with the preparation of kombucha - a nytimes article that doesn't mention the word kombucha, and an interesting article on food allergies that again doesn't mention kombucha (both fascinating articles though, thanks for the links - that nytimes article is especially cool). Unfortunately that last link is to a paywalled journal article that not even my university library has access to. The abstract (from which you quoted only one sentence) reads thusly: Consumption of kombucha fermented tea (KT) has always been associated with different health benefits. Many personal experiences and testimonials of KT drinkers are available throughout the world on the ability of KT to protect against a vast number of metabolic and infectious diseases, but very little scientific evidence is available that validates the beneficial effects of KT. The aim of this review is to give an overview of the recent studies in search of experimental confirmation of the numerous KT health-promoting aspects cited previously. Analysis of the literature data is carried out in correspondence to the recent concepts of health protection's requirements. Attention is given to the active compounds in KT, responsible for the particular effect, and to the mechanisms of their actions. It is shown that KT can efficiently act in health prophylaxis and recovery due to four main properties: detoxification, antioxidation, energizing potencies, and promotion of depressed immunity. The recent experimental studies on the consumption of KT suggest that it is suitable for prevention against broad-spectrum metabolic and infective disorders. This makes KT attractive as a fermented functional beverage for health prophylaxis. So the answer is, there are no clinical studies done on humans, but there are some experimental studies showing potentially promising results from tests done on rats however (Although those results might be mitigated somewhat by the possibility of acute renal failure in humans: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19460826- of course it's only one case). So when you say stuff like "Yeah, it's not hipster or trendy. It's called science" and then tell me later that "Even scientific studies do not account for all the possibilities of a certain self-applied therapy" you're not really saying anything. For the record, I have no horse in this race - I just wanted to point out this is the kind of shit Stephen G was talking about. "Oh yeah X is wonderful, you should get right on it!" There's no evidence, I'm just supposed to have faith. On the other hand, the health benefits (and risks) of coffee are well known. So Stephen G - next time that dude goes on about how bad coffee is, punch him in the face. With your dick. stop being a spastic. I told you to do the research for yourself. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3864899/ Also you linked me to another article that has nothing to do with kombucha. It does have to do with some forms of probiotics, but not the one active in kombucha. source, because that isn't what my research is showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Click on this link (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3864899/), search for kombucha or "Gluconacetobacter xylinus" (the active probiotic most commonly found in kombucha) and nothing comes up. It does talk about the yeast Saccharomyces - but that's found in virtually any kind of fermentation - including brewing beer. So get your craft brew on! Also, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that the possibility for kombucha being healthy for some people doesn't exist - I just get suspicious whenever I hear people talking about a "natural" food as the great cure-all. Plus I'm healthy and happy and don't do anything out of the ordinary - though I did stop smoking cause I couldn't afford it here and didn't want to stink of smoke for my little one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delet... Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 plus you know, you shouldn't be smoking, so thank heavens for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delet... Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Also, what's this deserve to be thing. They just are alive just like the grass in the fields or the active ingredient in that pus drink or whatever it's called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adieu Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Click on this link (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3864899/), search for kombucha or "Gluconacetobacter xylinus" (the active probiotic most commonly found in kombucha) and nothing comes up. It does talk about the yeast Saccharomyces - but that's found in virtually any kind of fermentation - including brewing beer. So get your craft brew on! Also, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that the possibility for kombucha being healthy for some people doesn't exist - I just get suspicious whenever I hear people talking about a "natural" food as the great cure-all. Plus I'm healthy and happy and don't do anything out of the ordinary - though I did stop smoking cause I couldn't afford it here and didn't want to stink of smoke for my little one. To be fair I never said it was a cure all. I said it was part of a multifaceted approach to health. I would never suggest high concentrated alcoholic beverages for health, because of mycotoxin exposure, of which beer is the worst offender, and because of the negative impacts of aldehyde on the body. Kombucha does have alcohol in it, but it's generally quite low comparatively. Here's an article on the benefits of Kombucha Tea on the liver of rats exposed to high levels of aflatoxin. (a mycotoxin) Kombucha tea is sugared black tea fermented with a consortium of bacteria and yeasts which forms tea fungus (Medusomyces gisevii) for 14 days. Kombucha tea is claimed to have various beneficial effects on human health but very less scientific evidences are available in the literature. In the present study, the prophylactic and curative effect of black tea (unfermented black tea) and kombucha black tea (KBT) on aflatoxin B1 induced liver damage was studied in male albino rats by analyzing hepatotoxicity markers (aspartate transaminase, alanine transaminase, alkaline phosphatase, gammaglutamyl transpeptidase), lipid peroxidation, reduced glutathione and antioxidant enzymes (glutathione-S-transferase, glutathione peroxidase, glutathione reductase, catalase and superoxide dismutase). Histopathological analysis of liver tissue was also carried out. Results revealed that kombucha tea is more potent in preventing hepatotoxicity than unfermented black tea. The mechanism of hepatoprotection offered by KBT treatment may involve the facilitation of both antioxidant and detoxification processes in the liver. http://www.researchgate.net/publication/257917222_Effect_of_Kombucha_Tea_on_Aflatoxin_B1_Induced_Acute_Hepatotoxicity_in_Albino_Rats-prophylactic_and_Curative_Studies Article about the benefits of hepatic glutathione production http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2596047/?page=3 So, if anything, for the sake of your liver, you probably should drink kombucha if you enjoy alcohol. Here is a more thorough article as well. Very interesting. http://www.researchgate.net/publication/264774158_A_Review_on_Kombucha_TeaMicrobiology_Composition_Fermentation_Beneficial_Effects_Toxicity_and_Tea_Fungus Seems to be the consensus that there is a high likelihood of positive effects in humans as shown by animal models and other research. Here's an article in reference to my points about whole foods and gut health. Seems to be an association with high fat diets and gut health as well. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2015/06/disease-begins-in-the-mucus/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Also baph you want to be careful with kimchi - possible link to gastric cancer: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4316045/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11802218 I love kimchi though, so totally understand your addiction. Also delicious beer. there's no way to win. life is a sadistic joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adieu Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Also baph you want to be careful with kimchi - possible link to gastric cancer: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4316045/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11802218 I love kimchi though, so totally understand your addiction. Also delicious beer. there's no way to win. life is a sadistic joke. I think as far as fermentation is concerned the method of fermentation as well as the ingredients used greatly impacts the nature of the effects. I'm sure if you researched you could find something that might help counteract the negative effects of kimchi if you understand the mechanism behind what is causing the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triachus Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 people who keep posting links to research articles that nobody is going to read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Yeah it's most likely the salt in kimchi - depending on the kind you have there's more salt in it. Most of the shit you can find in supermarkets in north america for kimchi will probably have high sodium content. Surprisingly, I drink a lot of craft beer (and other forms of alcohol) and have suffered no ill health as a result. This is a longitudinal study (+ 25 years), however the n is too small to be statistically meaningful. people who keep posting links to research articles that nobody is going to read *punches triachus in the face. with mah dick.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Loud eaters and people who put their bag on the seat next to them on the train when it's obviously going to get busy. Anyone who isn't considerate of others basically, if the world acted like me we wouldn't need a heaven because we would already be there. I hate smacky noises and inconsiderate assholes who use public transportation. A couple of months ago I was on the bus, and a girl had put her bag on the seat next to her. I usually don't react like this, but I grabbed her bag, threw it in her lap, and sat down next to her. It felt awesome - but I was a bit shocked that I reacted the way I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 People who turn fun little threads about overly-generalized annoyances into a bullshit health proselyzation opportunity about some nasty fucking tea. Sent using magic space waves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 yerba mate or guayusa i cant decide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maitake Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Poop is the ultimate probiotic. If you're not eating shit you deserve to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 thread meltdown cannot be reversed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 tailgaters, i hate them. sometimes ill slow to an almost total halt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adieu Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 People who turn fun little threads about overly-generalized annoyances into a bullshit health proselyzation opportunity about some nasty fucking tea. Sent using magic space waves thread was pointless to begin with, but the originality of your thought is astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 People who turn fun little threads about overly-generalized annoyances into a bullshit health proselyzation opportunity about some nasty fucking tea. Sent using magic space waves thread was pointless to begin with, but the originality of your thought is astounding. AND it was sent using magic space waves. Amaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblequadrat Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 john lydon should die in a grotesque and embarrassing way in the middle of one of his moving "i had meningitis, right? sob sob sniff sniff" speeches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblequadrat Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 coheed and cambria this is the fucking worst thing ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 everyone, according to jev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 People who turn fun little threads about overly-generalized annoyances into a bullshit health proselyzation opportunity about some nasty fucking tea. Sent using magic space waves thread was pointless to begin with, but the originality of your thought is astounding. I thought so, thanks for noticing. But to be fair, I think all tea is fucking nasty. So I really don't think I'd drink that shit even if it did cure all my ills. Which I don't have any of...hm. Maybe it's because I don't drink tea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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logakght Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 people who don't understand the jev jokes. oh wait thats me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peace 7 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 This thread is proof that WATMM is becoming XLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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