Guest Ricky Downtown Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 how about we solve our social problems first implying that there is a solution. why not chase an answer which we can definitely prove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Babar Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 pants probably stained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 All the time, money/efforts on this project could be put torwards something more productive for society. It's quite a simple train of thought - no Zeitgeist promo needed. The money used to fund science is infinitesimal in the large scheme of things. In fact more should be spent for top-research since the derivatives that come out of this sort of research and experiments can and will help us on our way to get into your Zeitgeist techno-utopia. While it seems it's just looking for some elusive particles with no immediate practical effect, the research and technology that was developed and used to build the LHC is what can be utilized in other areas and what ultimately pushes technology forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 It's the Higgs Boson, dammit!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcock Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 All the time, money/efforts on this project could be put torwards something more productive for society. It's quite a simple train of thought - no Zeitgeist promo needed. are you literally incapable of reading anything atall without immediately spouting resource based society shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 The Zeitgeist-movement is like a cult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcock Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 maybe instead of buying christmas presents this year i should donate my money to zeitgeist instead and save the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 All the time, money/efforts on this project could be put torwards something more productive for society. It's quite a simple train of thought - no Zeitgeist promo needed. are you literally incapable of reading anything atall without immediately spouting resource based society shit? lol I never said anything about a RBE in that post did I? All the time, money/efforts on this project could be put torwards something more productive for society. It's quite a simple train of thought - no Zeitgeist promo needed. The money used to fund science is infinitesimal in the large scheme of things. In fact more should be spent for top-research since the derivatives that come out of this sort of research and experiments can and will help us on our way to get into your Zeitgeist techno-utopia. While it seems it's just looking for some elusive particles with no immediate practical effect, the research and technology that was developed and used to build the LHC is what can be utilized in other areas and what ultimately pushes technology forward. I'm aware though that even our basic needs aren't being fulfilled on a global scale - in my opinion, let's get that fixed first before heading out on any scientific endeavours on this magnitude. The Zeitgeist-movement is like a cult. Labelling like this creates emotional disdain towards a thoughtful group of people who care about the unsustainable direction we're heading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Well, there are tons of money that could be taken from elsewhere before going after the non-existent science budgets. Like the multi-billion dollar bailouts given to failed banks and finance institutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 bread: In the US (only partially relevant to research at CERN, I know), here's how we spend money. Note the tiny slivers dedicated to funding scientific research. Note the giant blobs of funding dedicated to HHS (Health and Human Services) and, unfortunately, military spending. Sorry there's no reference for that picture above, I saved it from somewhere a while ago and can't recall the site it came from. Google's got a host of other similar figures though. Point being, azatoth is right. Cutting funding from scientific research in the hopes that it will help solve "the problems of society" is not a good idea. Not without a damn good plan, anyway, and an actual end goal that is achievable. Even then, there's a lot of other places to cut funding (cough cough, the military) before we go all willy-nilly deleting wonderfully inspiring and profound scientific research projects. back on topic, fuck yeah CERN, this is exciting stuff :sup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Babar Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I don't understand the sudden hate movement on Bread, but I think he's got a valid point. We currently live in an era where knowing and researching is one of if not the highest moral value. Hence, researchers and science (the former merging themselves with the latter when they use expressions such as "science discovered X") enjoy a very comfortable situation that sets them atop the throne of ethics from which they can look down on the situation. They can do so only because they promise us wonderful things to come. They are trusted, respected, nobelized ; science is a perfectly neutral embodiment of knowledge which cannot be corrupted since any "sold" or "ill-funded" science is not science anymore. In other words, science is not responsible for the vice of the society, it only brings data, discoveries, enlightenments about the world. Thus, citizens should not interfere with the autofecund train of science. And if they still insist in doing so, they'd better have a concise knowing of the concepts involved in scientific discussions. A few centuries ago, among the three main functions a society needs to fulfill – protection, nourishment and giving meaning to things – (Estates of the realm etc), the latter was supported by clerics. They were standing on the highest moral promontory of their times, promising marvels to people, were beatified and listened to. The speeches they gave dealt with God's universal knowledge, and anyone that dared question its absoluteness, i.e. this absolute merged with their own, was deemed as heretic (from the greek hairesis, "choice"). They presented themselves as being out of the flow of time, pursuing some immortal truth, and denied being tied to the Politic side of their era even though they were financed and sanctioned by their leaders ; this supposed autofecundity being watered by numerous myths, like the Virgin Mary. Finally, their discussions were hardly accessible since their texts were encrypted into difficult and obscure languages - Greek, Latin - and those who remained in the ignorance of these linguistic tools were kept away from the debate. With these arguments in their hands, they presented themselves as the recipient that should receive all the faith of humanity, and were able to reorient humanity's forces into illusory programs - to mention one of them : Crusades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luke viia Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 thank you, data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 so what do we do with the LHC after 2012? just pack up and leave it underground? I'm sure there are plenty of neutrino experiments they can conduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred McGriff Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 in light of this near-discovery, i recommend we all listen to WATMM's tribute to the Large Hadron Collider, particularly the track "Higgs Loops" http://www.archive.org/details/fu006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velazquez Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 dope track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 "Higgins", off Magnum p.i. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 :sup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 higgs on bassoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred McGriff Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 shopt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chenGOD Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Full on lol at Higgs bison. Bread: would you say our ability to easily link to and share information over the web is pretty important in solving social problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 back on topic: Higgs hasn't been found, everybody chill the fuck out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 No no...BCM found the Higgs bison in his ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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