Rubin Farr Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Kim's nuclear test caused multiple landslides, and a tunnel collapse killing 200 of his own people in all: https://www.msn.com/en-ae/news/world/a-tunnel-collapsed-at-a-north-korean-nuclear-test-site-reportedly-killing-200-people/ar-AAuijWK?li=BBqrVLO&ocid=wispr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Truth is way stranger than fiction. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-kim-passports-exclusive/exclusive-north-korean-leaders-used-brazilian-passports-to-apply-for-western-visas-sources-idUSKCN1GB2AY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Truth is way stranger than fiction. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-kim-passports-exclusive/exclusive-north-korean-leaders-used-brazilian-passports-to-apply-for-western-visas-sources-idUSKCN1GB2AY Josef Pwag would be a deece username tho Mostly wondering if there's some reason this story is coming out now. Seems like a very small curiosity. Just anti-NK propaganda from the west? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Probably no access to the passports until now. But yeah it’s a small curiosity, just the user name is great. Josef Pwag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qualitycontrol Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 The worst kinds of leaders. Do as I say, not as I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 This could end up being the 2018 equivalent of Berlin Wall falling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triachus Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 in b4 trump gets the friggin noble peace prize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 He shouldn't get shit, because he had nothing to do with this... I love this photo though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1:06 is great, taking turns going on each side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I love this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumines Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) Can’t seem to embed this. https://m.imgur.com/moidgyH Edited April 27, 2018 by lumines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Can’t seem to embed this. https://m.imgur.com/moidgyH whoa you can tell the DPRK is dialing back a bit by not also having bodyguards run in front of the limo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snack master Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) He shouldn't get shit, because he had nothing to do with this... I keep encountering this sentiment, and I dunno how people can authoritatively say this. Answering a reporter's question, [Korean President] Moon grinned and said he believed the US president made a "huge" contribution to the first dialogue between North and South Korea in over two years, and said that he wanted "convey his thanks." "Clearly, credit goes to President Trump," [Koren Foreign Minister] Kang told CNN's Christiane Amanpour in Seoul. "He's been determined to come to grips with this from day one." Kang added more, saying "I feel like somebody stepped on the accelerator at the beginning of the year and it's been non-stop since then." “The Trump administration deserves credit for increasing the pressure and deepening even further the alienation between China and North Korea,” says Professor John Delury, an East Asia expert at Yonsei Univeristy in Seoul. “And globally, there have been a lot of bilateral relationships where Trump has put North Korea at the top of the agenda.” I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but I'm genuinely confused as to how people can make this claim while Korean officials and academics are all saying that he at least deserves some credit here. Also, sorry about the formatting, I don't know how that happened. Edited April 27, 2018 by Snack Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Threatening a country with "fire and fury like the world has never seen" should not get you anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triachus Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 cant stop thinking about this classic post in this thread: It begins... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snack master Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Threatening a country with "fire and fury like the world has never seen" should not get you anything. I respect your opinion, but I'm going to trust the people who have actively been involved in the negotiations on where credit is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Threatening a country with "fire and fury like the world has never seen" should not get you anything. I respect your opinion, but I'm going to trust the people who have actively been involved in the negotiations on where credit is due. yeah. i mean, the "should" looks good on paper and all. in principle. but the world just works a little bit different. as far as i'm concerned, the positive of trump is that he brings a certain amount of 'crazy' to the table. and in certain circumstances that can be a positive. because it might force parties out of a current status quo. so, in a way, all this talk in the media that trump is unstable and unpredictable can work in his favor. another positive of 'crazy trump' is that it could make it easier for north-korea to appear rational, for whatever thats worth. it drives north and south closer together, because the third wheel on the car is wonky. the other wheels simply have to work together. before trump, i'd argue north-korea always was the wonky third wheel. which is a difficult when you want to come to some kind of agreement. crazy trump might just have levelled the playing field between north and south. but chen is the specialist around here. so im looking forward to read his views. regardless though, it looks like a historic event! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwmbrancity Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 it was Twitter what won it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I've not looked into the nuts and bolts so an honest question: who does NK trade with, generally, before sanctions? Is America that big of a partner that our direct trade sanctions hurt them? I assumed we were a part of the move to sanction (perhaps even spearheaded it politically) but not actually a big direct business partner...I've always heard they mostly traded with SK, China, Russia, and I think Japan? Again, I'm not informed and too lazy to go read 10K words about it spread out in articles or a book, just curious if anyone here wants to sum up which sanctions actually hurt them, because I'm assuming that's exactly what's caused their supposed turnaround over the last few months, directly after harsher sanctions were being enacted. BTW I'm really waiting for ball to drop. Kim Jong Un seems to have done a complete 180 and it just reeks of bullshit and temporary play-nice until they can get some money moving again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Threatening a country with "fire and fury like the world has never seen" should not get you anything. I respect your opinion, but I'm going to trust the people who have actively been involved in the negotiations on where credit is due. yeah. i mean, the "should" looks good on paper and all. in principle. but the world just works a little bit different. as far as i'm concerned, the positive of trump is that he brings a certain amount of 'crazy' to the table. and in certain circumstances that can be a positive. because it might force parties out of a current status quo. so, in a way, all this talk in the media that trump is unstable and unpredictable can work in his favor. another positive of 'crazy trump' is that it could make it easier for north-korea to appear rational, for whatever thats worth. it drives north and south closer together, because the third wheel on the car is wonky. the other wheels simply have to work together. before trump, i'd argue north-korea always was the wonky third wheel. which is a difficult when you want to come to some kind of agreement. crazy trump might just have levelled the playing field between north and south. I was literally just thinking the same thing. I'd wager the perception of the U.S.A. as chaotic and dangerous, plus the increasing annoyance with the U.S.A. in South Korea is increasing a sense of the illegitimacy of the U.S.A.'s demands. It's a power move for both NK and SK. I imagine both countries will get a real boost in their public perception. Who the fuck knows though. I'd really hate for this to fall apart and it result in an invasion from one side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) I've not looked into the nuts and bolts so an honest question: who does NK trade with, generally, before sanctions? Is America that big of a partner that our direct trade sanctions hurt them? China and ROK and some non-aligned leaning countries in Asia. Interestingly during the thaw in relations in the late 90s/early 00s they traded with South Korea. China has always had clout for that reason in terms of sanctions from their end, perpetual biggest partner in exports, likewise China supplies half of their imports. I think the recent sanctions were pretty crippling though, same with Iran which has had to be very self-reliant in many aspects because of no other options. That said, the collapse of the Eastern Bloc/USSR was just as much of a blow as the sanctions of the last decade. Ironically they enjoyed a better economy and standard of living than the ROK until the 1970s. Black market and illicit DPRK activity existed but it's been overblown in some instances. For example illegal arms in third world conflicts have often been supplied on DPRK flagged boats. They were pretty smart about workarounds, in mid-80s they managed to get 87 American/Western built MD500 helicopters. http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/how-north-korea-smuggled-87-us-scout-helicopters-22638 Edited April 27, 2018 by joshuatx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 ^Thanks dude. Even simpler than I thought, really. Mostly China, and China was bound by the UN sanctions, but of course there were reports of NK getting some under the table stuff from China/Russia (not sure if this was ever confirmed). So, did Trump/Haley/America force the UN's hand on sanctions in this most recent case? Or was it just Trump talking trash on Twitter while there were also real politicians in the UN going through with sanctions anyway? That's basically what I'm getting from these > Kang added more, saying "I feel like somebody stepped on the accelerator at the beginning of the year and it's been non-stop since then." “The Trump administration deserves credit for increasing the pressure and deepening even further the alienation between China and North Korea,” says Professor John Delury, an East Asia expert at Yonsei Univeristy in Seoul. “And globally, there have been a lot of bilateral relationships where Trump has put North Korea at the top of the agenda.”[/size] I'm not trying to say that big talk in a public forum can't have some place in political discourse and be a part of a cause for change, but just in general I tend to follow the money and if our contribution was basically just "TALK SHIT" and support UN sanctions, then I'm not sure Trump or America is deserving of credit there specifically, eh? In general, not directed towards anyone in particular here. Thinking out loud as I'm learning, mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snack master Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 And now Merkel is also praising Trump for his role in the negotiations "Today, we meet at a point in time where it has become very clear that the strength of the American president, where he really saw to it that the sanctions against North Korea are respected, has opened new possibilities, opened new ways,” Merkel said during a joint press conference with Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Thanks dude. https://i.imgur.com/moidgyH.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 North Kore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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