ignatius Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 it's not like Fallon's show is supposed to have any sort of political spine, it's pablum for the masses. (which means Trump, or any other political candidate for that matter, should never have been on it in the first place.) i guess the bar for me was set pretty high with Letterman who could actually interview anyone, ask the hard questions and still make people laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 fallon is, always has been, always will be.. a massive gimboid. Yes! Finally someone agrees with me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 gimboid had to google. seems on point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) fallon is, always has been, always will be.. a massive gimboid. Yes! Finally someone agrees with me! I've yet to meet the person who disagrees. No one likes Fallon. At least, not anyone you meet in real life. Obviously he has his own show... so someone likes him. But I've never met that someone. Fallon is the ultimate tofu celebrity. No offense to tofu.... Edited September 17, 2016 by Zephyr_Nova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usagi Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 he's so unfunny it hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 As far as I can tell his whole schtick is not being able to keep a straight face during comediy sketches he's involved in. Somehow that got him his own late night talk show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 really it's the long term trend that points most towards the winner. Yes. Who is ahead during the entirety of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usagi Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) the trend is the long-term gradient, not the historical levels in isolation. so if you're going to use that specific term, then the "trend" doesn't look good for Clington. but these models are all abstractions anyway, nothing will really tell you exactly what will happen on election night until it happens. Edited September 17, 2016 by usagi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 yea and everything leading up to that is pretty ridiculous tbh. Stopping and contemplating that Trump could actually be elected still boggles the mind. To me all of this has been purely amusement/entertainment, I mean is this even real? Is there any other country where politics can be remotely as silly as what's going on here? Only things I can think of are the funky outfits of a Gaddafi, or Kim Yong looking at things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KovalainenFanBoy Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 did anyone really expect Jimmy Fallon of all people to be confrontational or challenging to a guest? He's the tamest even for late night show host standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 fallon is, always has been, always will be.. a massive gimboid. Yes! Finally someone agrees with me! I've yet to meet the person who disagrees. No one likes Fallon. At least, not anyone you meet in real life. Obviously he has his own show... so someone likes him. But I've never met that someone. Fallon is the ultimate tofu celebrity. No offense to tofu.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Murray is a self-described neo-con and director of a neo-con think tank which also includes such luminaries as oliver kamm, richard perle and william kristol. it's not as though there isn't a robust and voluminous criticism of bro-conservative ideology extant in both scholarly and journalistic forms. they are by and large a disgraced group whose ideology has provided an underpinning for some of the most repulsive acts of western powers for decades now. I'm glad you and caze don't agree with murray on absolutely everything I suppose. I for one find him to be a repulsive mandarin who often lends ideological support to the more shameful sides of ruling class endeavors. bonus points for his pathetic arguments against the very existence of islamophobia (particularly repulsive in light of this week's news), arguing against greenwald that Boris Johnson has proved that the snowden leaks taught terrorists how to commit attacks like in paris and for his think tanks super deluxe smear campaign against noam chomsky. a most impressive résumé. edit: lol @ "bro-conservative" autocorrect. thanks Obama. his arguments against the existence of Islamophobia are far from pathetic, in fact they're entirely accurate. he quite clearly doesn't try and put forward the case that there doesn't exist any racism/bigotry towards muslims, simply that there really is very little irrational fear of islam amongst the usual suspects in the public sphere who are most frequently being accused of it, and that there is quite a lot of justified fear of certain forms of islam (of which he is acutely aware as a gay man). fundamentally 'Islamophobia' was an invention of Islamists as a means for fostering useful idiocy amongst western leftists, and it's been incredibly successful sadly. also, while he does call himself a neoconservative, his definition is quite a bit different from the american version, just as British conservatism in general is different from the American kind I suppose. but still, that's another area where I disagree with him, as I have little time for any kind of conservatism. islamophobia is the racism and bigotry you mention he acknowledges. clearly this exists, one would have to have their head deeply buried in the sand to think otherwise. neither his disagreement with the term's application to certain public figures nor the fact that there are rational reasons to object to or perhaps fear islam are adequate arguments against the existence of islamophobia. I think the very obvious problem here is that Murray and his ilk represent the flip side of the wishy washy liberals who seek to sanitize islam and try to deflect serious criticism by misusing the term. Murray (and your other bro harris) swing entirely to the other side, claiming it can hardly even be said to exist and in so doing tend to align themselves with state power and veritable hoodlums like alan dershowitz. they ignore the serious thought on this subject just like softy liberals ignore serious critiques of islam. It's a one-dimensional and unsophisticated position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncrtx Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 fallon is, always has been, always will be.. a massive gimboid. Yes! Finally someone agrees with me! I have the same thing with Steven Colbert tbqh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WNS000 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) Murray is a self-described neo-con and director of a neo-con think tank which also includes such luminaries as oliver kamm, richard perle and william kristol. it's not as though there isn't a robust and voluminous criticism of bro-conservative ideology extant in both scholarly and journalistic forms. they are by and large a disgraced group whose ideology has provided an underpinning for some of the most repulsive acts of western powers for decades now. I'm glad you and caze don't agree with murray on absolutely everything I suppose. I for one find him to be a repulsive mandarin who often lends ideological support to the more shameful sides of ruling class endeavors. bonus points for his pathetic arguments against the very existence of islamophobia (particularly repulsive in light of this week's news), arguing against greenwald that Boris Johnson has proved that the snowden leaks taught terrorists how to commit attacks like in paris and for his think tanks super deluxe smear campaign against noam chomsky. a most impressive résumé. edit: lol @ "bro-conservative" autocorrect. thanks Obama. his arguments against the existence of Islamophobia are far from pathetic, in fact they're entirely accurate. he quite clearly doesn't try and put forward the case that there doesn't exist any racism/bigotry towards muslims, simply that there really is very little irrational fear of islam amongst the usual suspects in the public sphere who are most frequently being accused of it, and that there is quite a lot of justified fear of certain forms of islam (of which he is acutely aware as a gay man). fundamentally 'Islamophobia' was an invention of Islamists as a means for fostering useful idiocy amongst western leftists, and it's been incredibly successful sadly. also, while he does call himself a neoconservative, his definition is quite a bit different from the american version, just as British conservatism in general is different from the American kind I suppose. but still, that's another area where I disagree with him, as I have little time for any kind of conservatism. islamophobia is the racism and bigotry you mention he acknowledges. clearly this exists, one would have to have their head deeply buried in the sand to think otherwise. neither his disagreement with the term's application to certain public figures nor the fact that there are rational reasons to object to or perhaps fear islam are adequate arguments against the existence of islamophobia. I think the very obvious problem here is that Murray and his ilk represent the flip side of the wishy washy liberals who seek to sanitize islam and try to deflect serious criticism by misusing the term. Murray (and your other bro harris) swing entirely to the other side, claiming it can hardly even be said to exist and in so doing tend to align themselves with state power and veritable hoodlums like alan dershowitz. they ignore the serious thought on this subject just like softy liberals ignore serious critiques of islam. It's a one-dimensional and unsophisticated position. Islam is useless, dangerous, insanity with geo-political ambitions. "Islamophobia" is a rational reaction to such insanity. There is no good Islam, just bad Muslims doing rational, good things while ignoring the holy texts. It is a well-known almost cliché phrase but it is absolutely true. Nobody was able to dispute that yet. Period. I have yet to hear a good pro-Muslim argument. There were none so far. None. Just "Islam is not THAT bad" or completely false statements from Muslims ignorant of their own religion. I say reform the shit or let it finally disappear. It's just a relic and burden. Nobody should support it anymore. Sometimes I wish all agnostic and atheist people of the world peacefully formed a new (otherwise) democratic, liberal state where organised religion would be illegal or at least had no rights for anything. Fuck religions and fuck the never-ending kid-gloves debate about religious rights. Fuck it, fuck it, fuck it. Edited September 17, 2016 by WNS000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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keanu reeves Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 As far as I can tell his whole schtick is not being able to keep a straight face during comediy sketches he's involved in. Somehow that got him his own late night talk show. get in good with lorne michaels and you can get anything. look at seth meyers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 As far as I can tell his whole schtick is not being able to keep a straight face during comediy sketches he's involved in. Somehow that got him his own late night talk show. get in good with lorne michaels and you can get anything. look at seth meyers... ugh seth fucking meyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Fixt lol could jev be so liberal that he would use the smiling musulman as his avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 FTGE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l59cg62wqpY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WNS000 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keanu reeves Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 musulman avatar week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 i still lol @ "celestials" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WNS000 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) ad verecundiam ad hominem false dilemma Edited September 17, 2016 by WNS000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 LOL, ready for action! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambermonk Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 HRC supporters trying to sway disenfranchised-former-Bernie-supporters-turned-third-party voters. So far it's not working lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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