A Reggae Lee Bowyer Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 i guess this is how people that hated obama felt when he won in 2008. part of me wonders if trump will "re-negotiate" the tpp and end up signing a slightly modified version. aside from pure populism, why would a businessman like trump oppose the tpp? doesn't it get rid of regulations? seems like something he would do, or do later on at some point anyway. hmm! well, he did his first 180 during his acceptance speech. and there's prob. more to follow. he said it best during the second or third pres. debate: "it's just words, people. just words". And he wasn't referring to Clinton, but to himself and his twitter feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Guys, Clarktrent is joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreOceans Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 He has flip flopped on a lot of stuff. Which as someone else mentioned in the thread, the scary part of Trump as president is just the unknown of what he wants to achieve. How restricted are Presidents when appointing members of their administration? Seems weird the political outsider wants to start appointing GOP ghouls. If he has the freedom to appoint people outside of those circles, I'd be pretty disappointed my "overturn the system" candidate starts appointing people very much a part of the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/thousands-us-protest-president-elect-donald-trump/story?id=43427653 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 the scary part of Trump as president is just the unknown of what he wants to achieve. yeup. TBH I don't see him being as biggoted/racist as he ran. I mean we KNOW he was using that electorate from the start, based on an old comment from the 80s or 90s, and I'm paraphrasing, that if he ever runs for president he'd run as a republican because they're stupid. His words not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 the scary part of Trump as president is just the unknown of what he wants to achieve. yeup. TBH I don't see him being as biggoted/racist as he ran. I mean we KNOW he was using that electorate from the start, based on an old comment from the 80s or 90s, and I'm paraphrasing, that if he ever runs for president he'd run as a republican because they're stupid. His words not mine. It was 98, not that old of a comment and pretty revealing about his nature in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triachus Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 the scary part of Trump as president is just the unknown of what he wants to achieve.yeup. TBH I don't see him being as biggoted/racist as he ran. I mean we KNOW he was using that electorate from the start, based on an old comment from the 80s or 90s, and I'm paraphrasing, that if he ever runs for president he'd run as a republican because they're stupid. His words not mine. It was 98, not that old of a comment and pretty revealing about his nature in this. http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/ ffs people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 oh come on. I can't be right all the time, and when I'm wrong why you gotta make a big deal out of it. I'm NOT GOOGLE DAMMIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 You can't blame me for not thinking it's true with what he's said in the past. It just seems like another thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triachus Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) sorry it's just that its an old false rumour, and it irritates me that someone took the effort to make and spread a persistent lie while there's so many legit things to criticize trump of i believed it too when i first heard it tho Edited November 10, 2016 by triachus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yeah, I heard it when it was first 'reported' and have only thought of it like twice since then. I actually saw it on the news. The way he's handled his campaign seems like that's what he believes too. I really hope those old views of his are what he still thinks. So the next few years will be less disastrous. I'm sitting around worried that he's going to ban abortion, change the science textbooks to creationism, get rid of the EPA, etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) this does feel pretty unreal, it's as if the laws of physics changed overnight. before you thought x,y,z are good and right and things are going in a particular direction, but now it seems like they aren't. a new world with its own logic. on the other hand, nothing significant really happened. a few tens of thousands of people in PA and FL changing their minds/actually going to vote and all would be completely different. nothing on the ground really changed culturally or ideologically, ~45% have always voted for republican morons of different types, ~45% always voted dems and the rest were all kinds of awepittances, commies and other wierdos with heavy drug usage history. it's just a bummer that the federal government has so much power and the people will have to suffer the orange critter for up to 8 years. in fact i think it would be interesting if US would go truly multicultural/federational and gave pretty much all of the power to the states as long as everyone had the right and power to leave his state as soon as he wished for it. so the south would reenact slavery and capital punishment for gaysex, crucifixion on a burning cross for abortion or whatever, but everyone would have the right to opt out under the protection of the fed. wouldn't that be cool? Edited November 10, 2016 by eugene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olo Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 change the science textbooks to creationism Don't worry, science has already been left behind in MI. In my kids school district, it's considered a "special". So, 1 hour a week. It's sadly humorous when you go to conferences and the science teacher is just hanging out with the music & art teacher. A friend of mine moved to Virginia and said the school system there is even more archaic. They have no idea what an interactive whiteboard is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) the scary part of Trump as president is just the unknown of what he wants to achieve.yeup. TBH I don't see him being as biggoted/racist as he ran. I mean we KNOW he was using that electorate from the start, based on an old comment from the 80s or 90s, and I'm paraphrasing, that if he ever runs for president he'd run as a republican because they're stupid. His words not mine. It was 98, not that old of a comment and pretty revealing about his nature in this. http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/ ffs people holy shit, TIL I feel embarrassed for not knowing that was debunked i guess this is how people that hated obama felt when he won in 2008. part of me wonders if trump will "re-negotiate" the tpp and end up signing a slightly modified version. aside from pure populism, why would a businessman like trump oppose the tpp? doesn't it get rid of regulations? seems like something he would do, or do later on at some point anyway. hmm! well, he did his first 180 during his acceptance speech. and there's prob. more to follow. he said it best during the second or third pres. debate: "it's just words, people. just words". And he wasn't referring to Clinton, but to himself and his twitter feed. Confession time. I voted for McCain in 2008. I liked McCain, he was one of the first politicians I knew offhand in middle school and I wish he won in 2000 and not W in the primary. By 2008 I had also gone from being a pissed off liberal teen (because of the Iraq War) to more cynical libertarian-leaning moderate and McCain was someone I told myself I'd vote for years before so I did it. I was also more immature in general and thought Obama was a bit smug and self-righteous. The cult of personality around him was pretty ridiculous TBH. That said, even then I didn't cringe at his arrival in office. It was a historic move forward. I thought he was pretty moderate too. I actually voted for him 2012 thinking he wasn't leftist enough, but a better alternative than Romney who was a centre-right GOP candidate desperately trying to pander to the Tea Party, which is the same movement that set us up for Trump. It was a completely different tone than 2016. But when Obama won in 2008 a lot of folks I knew were so damn irked. They though the healthcare reform effort was the second coming of WW2. It was insane. That ire has never left, just become more irrational, delusional, angry and desperate. Some Republicans have even become historical revisionists of their own ideology - saying the Iraq War was a mistake, toying with the isolationist, pro-Russian, anti-NATO rhetoric that was unheard of by anyone 10 years ago. TLDR - voted for McCain in 2008. I was not bothered at all at Obama winning but many conservatives were PISSED - though I think it was far, far different than this election and much less dire. It does sting that twice in my lifetime, the Democrat candidate won the popular vote, but lost the election. That shouldn't happen. This has been coming up in conversations I've had today. i'm not sure that destroying the electoral college is the answer, but the entire process certainly needs to be reevaluated and most likely reformed. Good luck on getting any goddamned thing that big done in this country though, especially now. It goes hand-in-hand with the 2 party system as a default, sometime I actually heard a pretty decent argument to keep from a friend, who ironically was very anti-Trump. I like the idea of a more diverse political party system (the Dems and GOP should really be a right-wing, centrist, and leftist trio... or some kind of 4 way split among libertarian, socialist, and centre left/centre right lines) but the catch is we don't have a parliament system nor any history of block voting / alliances. We also have a checks and balances system that is meant to maintain protection from a single branch from dominating and a single party from completely running the system with no opposition. Edited November 10, 2016 by joshuatx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olo Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I have many curiousities about the Trump presidency. But, none more pressing than "will he go through the accelerated aging process as all presidents have?" Or will he stave off the sure loss of the beloved comb-over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coax Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) This is a good article https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/ Although I must say I have a slightly different take on the whole establishment thing. I think there is a lot to learn in all countries of the actual reasoning behind many decisions. I think the establishment logic and goals have been completely lost due to personal behavior of some people. I've watched hundreds if not thousands of hours of C-Span, council on foreign relations, milken institute and others and think of that what you will, but there can be a lot there when they go beyond talking points and so on Edited November 10, 2016 by coax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 joshuaTX, I liked McCain before he started campaigning. If he'd stuck to his core beliefs I might've voted for him. But getting his knob in the hands of the R elites or whoever turned his message and you could see his change. Lost a lot of respect for him, though he has kept some things true to his beliefs, but he's basically any other Republican at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QQQ Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 it's okay guys were just stuck in the bad timeline there is an alternative reality where 2016 wasn't the wackiest year of all time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coax Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 the darkest timeline :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Guys, Clarktrent is joking. He's a "climate skeptic" so I wouldn't be so sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreOceans Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 This is a good article https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/ Great read. I like the Facebook post linked too, very succinct and something a lot of the West needs to ingest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YangYing Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 What if Trump is a genius. What if he said a whole bunch of bullshit to appeal to bullshit voters, just to get his foot in the door. And then when he gets into office, he starts wearing some ninja costume late at night and offing corrupt officials in every branch of government. i'm not sure if a genius, but he must be something innit? this is a person who put himself in the white house... that's no easy task.. right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 What if Trump is a genius. What if he said a whole bunch of bullshit to appeal to bullshit voters, just to get his foot in the door. And then when he gets into office, he starts wearing some ninja costume late at night and offing corrupt officials in every branch of government. i'm not sure if a genius, but he must be something innit? this is a person who put himself in the white house... that's no easy task.. right? Sadly, being smart has never been a requirement to getting elected into political office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) Ethics aside (lol), I think Trump ran a brilliant campaign. And the thing he did best, I think, was basically saying ambiguous things that can mean whatever the listener wants them to mean. "Take our country back" and "Make America great again" are the two most obvious examples, and they're nothing new in the world of politics, but Trump used such strategic ambiguity pretty much every time he talked. For instance, when he says something "if I lose, I MIGHT concede...we'll see", the ambiguity allows people the opportunity to believe the most comforting interpretation of it. Non-neurotic people tend not to believe the worst when presented with ambiguous information, and whether Trump understands this consciously or not, he capitalized on it. Edited November 10, 2016 by LimpyLoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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