Salvatorin Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Needless to say the federal government is rife with both corruption and dysfunction, but at the same time I'll admit that it's preferable to none, i.e. anarchy. Anarchy is such a misunderstood term. Anarchy does not mean lawlessness or chaos, it simply means leaderless, non-hierarchical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Needless to say the federal government is rife with both corruption and dysfunction, but at the same time I'll admit that it's preferable to none, i.e. anarchy. Anarchy is such a misunderstood term. Anarchy does not mean lawlessness or chaos, it simply means leaderless, non-hierarchical. Anarchy works well for small societies. When you have nation states as an organizational basis for a society, then a greater degree of organization is required, and with that comes corresponding hierarchies, as resources (human and natural) need to be prioritized. This is not to say that the current system (nation state) is the best or right one, but simply that organization on this scale will require some sort of governance with resulting structures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Needless to say the federal government is rife with both corruption and dysfunction, but at the same time I'll admit that it's preferable to none, i.e. anarchy. Anarchy is such a misunderstood term. Anarchy does not mean lawlessness or chaos, it simply means leaderless, non-hierarchical. Anarchy works well for small societies. When you have nation states as an organizational basis for a society, then a greater degree of organization is required, and with that comes corresponding hierarchies, as resources (human and natural) need to be prioritized. This is not to say that the current system (nation state) is the best or right one, but simply that organization on this scale will require some sort of governance with resulting structures. I feel like this applies to libertarianism as well. When it comes to that ideology I'll gladly hear out someone rambling about it's merits if they live out in vast, rural land, off the grid, and at best near a town of a few hundred folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 we don't need to go into this in this thread please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YangYing Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 such smartypants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 much political hypercube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambermonk Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Needless to say the federal government is rife with both corruption and dysfunction, but at the same time I'll admit that it's preferable to none, i.e. anarchy. Anarchy is such a misunderstood term. Anarchy does not mean lawlessness or chaos, it simply means leaderless, non-hierarchical. Anarchy works well for small societies. When you have nation states as an organizational basis for a society, then a greater degree of organization is required, and with that comes corresponding hierarchies, as resources (human and natural) need to be prioritized. This is not to say that the current system (nation state) is the best or right one, but simply that organization on this scale will require some sort of governance with resulting structures. I feel like this applies to libertarianism as well. When it comes to that ideology I'll gladly hear out someone rambling about it's merits if they live out in vast, rural land, off the grid, and at best near a town of a few hundred folks. This is perhaps the best IRL example I can think of: But I digress. Page break, back to discussing the Swamp Trump presidency, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 we don't need to go into this in this thread please Look at the dictator over here. I mean, essentially you have a state of anarchy at the federal level right now, thanks to the actions of orange-man. So I think it's a pretty valid topic for discussion - will this shutdown, if it lasts for an extended period of time, potentially lead to states seceding from the US? California might want to become its own political entity - that would be a huge loss for the US. Would there be renewed interest in the creation of Cascadia? And, what will the resulting governance structures look like as result of Trump's malfeasance? Will some newly formed states turn to anarchy as a governing principle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Smartypants everywhere... (too lazy to create meme) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 it's not a state of anarchy. it's federally-funded services deemed 'non-essential' temporarily closed and their employees put on furlough. As for Cascadia, there are still people interested in the original bioregionalist/communalist project but white nationalists have tried to co-opt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 we don't need to go into this in this thread please Look at the dictator over here. I mean, essentially you have a state of anarchy at the federal level right now, thanks to the actions of orange-man. So I think it's a pretty valid topic for discussion - will this shutdown, if it lasts for an extended period of time, potentially lead to states seceding from the US? California might want to become its own political entity - that would be a huge loss for the US. Would there be renewed interest in the creation of Cascadia? And, what will the resulting governance structures look like as result of Trump's malfeasance? Will some newly formed states turn to anarchy as a governing principle? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 it's not a state of anarchy. it's federally-funded services deemed 'non-essential' temporarily closed and their employees put on furlough. As for Cascadia, there are still people interested in the original bioregionalist/communalist project but white nationalists have tried to co-opt it. Look at all the services and employees out of work: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heres-what-shuts-down-in-a-government-shutdown/ Imagine IRS is still shut down come tax time - that's gonna be fun fun fun. Libertarians will love it of course. I'd be all for Cascadia, as long as you knock out all the guns. And bring in California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Tune in tonight folks to see what the Cheeto colored man will publicly denounce next. By midnight on Monday, CBS, along with NBC, ABC, CNN, PBS, C-SPAN, Fox News, Fox Business Network and Telemundo had indicated they would air Trump’s speech, which is expected to run for eight minutes. Eight minutes? He'll barely be able to get past hello in that time frame. Haven't they seen a trump rally? He needs at least 80-90 minutes to ramble on, shit on everything, and sell his snake oil to the MAGA masses... Edited January 8, 2019 by zero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 It's a fun move of general secretary Xi to shake hands with Kim Jong-un only to make Trump feeling that his foolish foreign policies lead to the exact opposite of what he wants. But in reality the world would be better off if all three of them would be publicly executed and their innards being fed to the pigs and Theresa May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 To understand the true illegality of this, internal polling data is property of the Campaign. Every donor to the campaign financed this thing of value to assist the campaign in legal avenues.What they actually ended up funding is a foreign government's intelligence operation to collate U.S. citizen's data for a foreign country to weaponize. This isn't not financing a hush- money payment to a porn star campaign finance violation. This is stealing from the campaign to generate espionage material for a foreign state. via reddit WASHINGTON — Paul Manafort shared Trump campaign polling data with an associate tied to Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign, prosecutors alleged, according to a court filing unsealed on Tuesday. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/manafort-trump-campaign-data-kilimnik.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage can you say.. collusion... because that's collusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 But only the best collusion! He has only the best colluders working with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEK Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 dig in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usagi Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 he espeaka to yu because there is a growing yumanitiarian crisis, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEK Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 could have fooled me. if i watched fox news i might believe it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Rosenstein leaving DOJ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/jan/09/rod-rosenstein-donald-trump-latest-news-live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Help me spread the good word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 he's gotta be on some kind of amphetamine. the way he inflates and deflates like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The master negotiator tried to win over the dems by using the same tactics a babysitter uses to win over toddlers...by bribing them with candy Trump was in a chummy mood when he entered the Situation Room, according to a source familiar with how things unfolded. The President passed out candy to attendees -- Butterfinger and Baby Ruth bars as well as M&M's. If only Pelosi was Sloth from the Goonies, then this would all be over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The master negotiator tried to win over the dems by using the same tactics a babysitter uses to win over toddlers...by bribing them with candy Trump was in a chummy mood when he entered the Situation Room, according to a source familiar with how things unfolded. The President passed out candy to attendees -- Butterfinger and Baby Ruth bars as well as M&M's. If only Pelosi was Sloth from the Goonies, then this would all be over! we'd all be living in Chunk's house forever part of the family... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) The master negotiator tried to win over the dems by using the same tactics a babysitter uses to win over toddlers... trump is negotiating like the child. he may have finally tripped himself up good, politically. *hears self say that* Edited January 10, 2019 by very honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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