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also, Mr Yaxley-Lennon slunk off from the count centre before the vote was even announced, and when his vote tally was announced the entire hall erupted in laughter. which was nice.

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55 minutes ago, caze said:

not a great result for The Brexit Party at all, clear majority for remain parties. if this had been a 2nd referendum we'd be staying. brexit party just absorbed the UKIP vote and took a big chunk of the tory vote, the lib dems seem to have taken a much larger portion of the tory vote in many areas though. The Lib Dems are the big winners here.

results say otherwise, once again

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2 hours ago, B1000 said:

results say otherwise, once again

basic arithmetic isn't your strong suit I take it?
 

Pro-brexit parties:

Brexit Party: 31.6%
UKIP: 3.3%

Total: 34.9%


Anti-brexit, pro 2nd referendum parties:

Lib Dems: 20.3%

Green: 12.09%

SNP: 3.6%

Change UK: 3.4%

Plaid Cymru: 1%

Total: 40.39%

 

That leaves Labour with 14.1% (who are a majority remain party, in terms of support if not leadership), and the Tories with 9% (who are a majority leave party), plus a few % scattered about amongst a few others (which together accounts for 2 pro-remain MEPs and 1 leave MEP from NI). Taken together that accounts for a few more % for the remain side, though it would be difficult to apportion it out exactly so I'll leave it out for the sake of fairness.

 

Pro-brexit parties btw increased their vote share by 7.4%, while the anti-brexit parties increased theirs by 22.43%.

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You can't really discount Labour or the Tories from those totals.

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I don't really know about UK Euro politics.

How many votes does this have to go through before it's settled? Seems like this has been dragging on for years now.

Or is it done one way or another now? Hard to keep up without knowing all the nuances.

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54 minutes ago, tec said:

You can't really discount Labour or the Tories from those totals.

You can't, but it would be impossible to work out the exact contribution. Because neither party, or it's members and supporters, are clear on what they want exactly. Based on polling you'd expect the majority of Labour voters to be pro-remain and the majority of Tory voters to be pro-leave, but it's impossible to be certain how this would break down in this vote, given that lots of their regular voters definitely voted for other parties instead. It's likely the total would add a few % points to the remain side, but it's impossible to tell for sure, it would definitely add something to the pro-brexit total, but not enough to make up the gap between the other parties with a clear brexit policy.

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55 minutes ago, hijexx said:

I don't really know about UK Euro politics.

 How many votes does this have to go through before it's settled? Seems like this has been dragging on for years now.

Or is it done one way or another now? Hard to keep up without knowing all the nuances.

The problem is that Britain is a parliamentary democracy with no written constitution, and referendums have no special place in the law (unlike Ireland for example where any changes in law that would affect the constitutional order require legally binding referendums to settle the matter), the brexit referendum wasn't legally binding in any way, it just provided an abstract mandate for the government, with the consent of parliament, to try and bring about some form of leaving the EU. The referendum didn't specify what form that would take, and parliament is completely divided on that question (as are those who voted for brexit in the first place).

It doesn't require any more votes to go through as things stand, the UK will leave on the 31st October if nothing else happens. 

The current parliament is unlikely to let that happen though, the Tory party are likely to appoint a no-deal brexit supporting leader (e.g. Boris Johnson) in the coming month or so, if that happens and the EU refuse to negotiate any further (which is likely), then Tories who want to prevent a no-deal brexit will bring down the government. After that there will be a few weeks where parliament is given a chance to vote in a new prime minister, ideally this would happen and a 2nd referendum would be called to try and sort the mess out once and for all, if not then there would be a general election, after which a new parliament would have a chance to either prevent it from happening (with a referendum or just cancelling the whole thing), accepting the currently agreed deal with the EU, or doing nothing and crashing out and turning the UK into a basket case of a country.

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Bloody obvious but I was reminded yesterday how narrow the Brexit result was, with 51.89% on leave and 48.11% remain. No wonder nothing can be decided upon, to think we should cause such a massive upheavel on a victory of that slim a margin is fucking mental no matter which way you voted.

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23 hours ago, caze said:

basic arithmetic isn't your strong suit I take it?
 

Pro-brexit parties:

Brexit Party: 31.6%
UKIP: 3.3%

Total: 34.9%


Anti-brexit, pro 2nd referendum parties:

Lib Dems: 20.3%

Green: 12.09%

SNP: 3.6%

Change UK: 3.4%

Plaid Cymru: 1%

Total: 40.39%

 

That leaves Labour with 14.1% (who are a majority remain party, in terms of support if not leadership), and the Tories with 9% (who are a majority leave party), plus a few % scattered about amongst a few others (which together accounts for 2 pro-remain MEPs and 1 leave MEP from NI). Taken together that accounts for a few more % for the remain side, though it would be difficult to apportion it out exactly so I'll leave it out for the sake of fairness.

 

Pro-brexit parties btw increased their vote share by 7.4%, while the anti-brexit parties increased theirs by 22.43%.

being a sore loser IS your strong suit lol

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loser? lol. you do realise that a party getting the largest share of the european election results (and nowhere close to a majority I might remind you) doesn't win them anything. the brexit party will send some MEPs to europe to sit with a bunch of other swivel eyed loons, where they will have zero impact on anything, they're a minority grouping who everyone else hates. back in the UK the massive swing to the pro-remain parties has forced labour to finally publicly back a 2nd referendum. that's been the only 'win' so far for anyone.

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1 hour ago, B1000 said:

being a sore loser IS your strong suit lol

A number of pro Brexit voters didn't vote, boycotting the EU elections comes part and parcel for some people.

This wasn't a clear cut fake referendum.

I also know a green voter who voted leave in the referendum.

I would also imagine there are plenty of leave voters who couldn't put their name against something associated with Farage or UKIP. 

Adding up the pro/leave party votes could kinda give an indication sure, but it doesn't mean that is what would happen at a referendum.

 

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I should also add that the turnout was a lot lower than the 2016 referendum, a lot of people are generally fed up with this shit now.

Spin the numbers however you like, Brexit Party got the most people motivated to vote, but it doesn't mean shit.

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you're right that doesn't mean shit, the lib dems, greens, plaid and snp all got more voters motivated to vote for them than in past elections too. all based on solely campaigning for remain. brexit party did well, but UKIP topped the european elections the last time, so that was no surprise. they barely increased their vote at all (taking a few more pissed off tories and probably a handful of labour voters, but the majority who changed switched to the parties who were solely campaigning on one issue). it was a big win for remain parties and as expected for people who always wanted out.

you're right that doesn't mean shit, the lib dems, greens, plaid and snp all got more voters motivated to vote for them than in past elections too. all based on solely campaigning for remain. brexit party did well, but UKIP topped the european elections the last time, so that was no surprise. they barely increased their vote at all (taking a few more pissed off tories and probably a handful of labour voters, but the majority who changed switched to the parties who were solely campaigning on one issue). it was a big win for remain parties and as expected for people who always wanted out.

 

and again, the only actual real world change from all this has been to change official labour policy to supporting a 2nd referendum.

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FLOL

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lol

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lol

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lol

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The writing on this show is starting to get a tiny bit unrealistic for me.

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The writing on this show is starting to get a tiny bit unrealistic for me.
Yeah, ain't nobody in the future gonna believe this shit actually went down.

But how is it, if Boris can't get enough ministers to his cabinet are there going to be new elections or what?

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21 minutes ago, MichaelListon said:

The writing on this show is starting to get a tiny bit unrealistic for me.

Hope the second season with new cast will be better than the first ;)

O wait, I hear the show got cancelled. Boris thinks it's more productive to whine about the EU while being in the EU instead of out.

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12 minutes ago, zkom said:

Yeah, ain't nobody in the future gonna believe this shit actually went down.

But how is it, if Boris can't get enough ministers to his cabinet are there going to be new elections or what?

Ha. There won't be anyone "in the future". The polar ice will completely melt by 2040 (conservative estimates). That's the refrigerator for the planet. Temperatures will increase at an increasing rate. Before the permafrost completely melts and releases tons more greenhouse gases and ancient microbes into the atmosphere, people  will kill or be killed over potable water supplies. 

Fuck this plot. It's too predictable.

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unfortunately runaway global warming due to melting of the permafrost and release of massive amounts of methane is extremely likely to happen. it will be catastrophic and humanity will be lucky to survive in even a basic way. this is why i'm not having kids. truly... we're fucked. totally fucked. and not in a thousand years or some shit, in less than 100, probably less than 50.

we all know it. deep down we all know it.

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