2020 US Election

[TubularCorporation]

All those Bernie Bros.

 

Sanders' support is majority young, female, middle-lower class PoC.  Warren is dogwhistling classism and ageism to upper-middle to upper class, Gen X/Boomer age, (mostly) white, coastal, centrist liberals.  If you've spent any great amount of time around those people and don't know exactly what I'm talking about you might be one.

[Braintree]

28 minutes ago, auxien said:

^not trolling, i'm quite serious. the Berniebros out there are getting dangerously close to that MAGA-style cult mentality. i'm not saying you're one of them, but go spend a couple minutes looking through that account and tell me they're not

I'm not going to invest too much time into this since it won't be worth it, but you seem kind of ignorant. First of all, the term "bernie bro" shows your clear bias since a substantial amount of Bernie's demographic are female.

Two, your likening of Sanders' supporters to MAGA is obviously a poor analog. One of these groups harbors white supremacists and uses tried and true religious authoritarianism to control their base, while the other has a much more diverse demographic and religion is largely left out of the campaign itself.

So, to me, it sounds like you've formed an opinion based on some headlines and maybe being annoyed by a few people on social media rather than doing some research and holding off on having an opinion until you know enough.

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just getting sick and tired of people firing off an opinion with zero substance, which largely has a basis in other people's opinions.

/lastpost

[auxien]

54 minutes ago, Braintree said:

I'm not going to invest too much time into this since it won't be worth it, but you seem kind of ignorant. First of all, the term "bernie bro" shows your clear bias since a substantial amount of Bernie's demographic are female.

Two, your likening of Sanders' supporters to MAGA is obviously a poor analog. One of these groups harbors white supremacists and uses tried and true religious authoritarianism to control their base, while the other has a much more diverse demographic and religion is largely left out of the campaign itself.

So, to me, it sounds like you've formed an opinion based on some headlines and maybe being annoyed by a few people on social media rather than doing some research and holding off on having an opinion until you know enough.

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just getting sick and tired of people firing off an opinion with zero substance, which largely has a basis in other people's opinions.

/lastpost

i'm going to invest too much time into this because i'm watch ST: Voyager and you've proved you're ignorant.

1. a substantial amount of any popular democratic nominee's supporters is going to be female: the party is more females than males. but no matter, try again, more Sanders supporters are male than female according to data aggregator: https://projects.economist.com/democratic-primaries-2020/candidate/bernie-sanders/  ....in fact both Biden and Warren show more female support*. hm.

2. i was not likening Sander's supporters to MAGA idiots. i was likening a particular subset of them, overwhelmingly males (seemingly, of course) who fit the type of Berniebro that became popular back for the 2016 election (yes Lada and ignatius they've definitely been around since then, i just don't remember them being so fucking stupid and aggressive as they seem now). MAGA idiots are terrible and likely demonstrably worse human beings because many of them support lots of horrible things, yes. i was more-so comparing the Berniebros to the MAGA idiots in their cult-like behavior i'm seeing online. i made this clear in my second post (which you quoted so i'm assuming you actually read it). i, if you haven't noticed, i like Sanders and would support him for the presidency. in fact, i'd rather him than plenty of others running for the Dem nomination.

so to me it seems like you've not read what i wrote and responded based on some kneejerk reaction on an online social platform rather than doing some research and holding off on having someone else's your own opinion until you know enough.

i'm not trying to be rude either, just a smartass. i'm seeing plenty of people firing off opinions with zero substance here (many of them Berniebros), as well as on Twitter/elsewhere, which largely has a basis in other people's opinions. many of them are Berniebros. support Bernie all day, go for it, i'll agree with it often. cool. just don't be a fucking asshole about it (not saying you're being one. Zeff, on the other hand...). the #NeverWarren type bullshit is only going to win Trump the presidency (as of now chances are that neither Sanders nor Warren gets the nomination, so everyone needs to chill the fuck out)

/notlastpost

 

*edit for clarity: Biden and Warren both show that their female support is a greater percentage than male, the opposite of Bernie's

Edited January 17, 2020 by auxien

[Nebraska]

9 hours ago, auxien said:

 not sure any of them have a real good track to beating Trump tho, honestly Biden might be best for that. I truly hate to admit that possibility but it is real. 

i'd be curious as to what made you reach this conclusion? also: no love for my boy yang? he's out here get chappelle's approval and he's promised to hand out $1000 checks to everyone if he wins

[auxien]

1 hour ago, ignatius said:

they're not alone in their cult-bro status. there were some loud internet voices in 2016 being bernie bro idiots. perhaps half of them were bots. 

anyway.. there's pleny of people already saying "yang or no one" and stuff like that.. people who will do dumb shit like write in their preferred candidate in the general election if their candidate isn't the one to get the nomination. it's some kind of pissant protest for weenies. anyone will be better than trump for people on the left. even if it's a centrist (which i hope it isn't) but sometimes people just have a kind of nose blindness to logic when it comes to shit like this. 

agreed. i often wonder if some of the Berniebro-type accounts are those bots or bot-type accounts, they're very similar in the way they amplify and coalesce very quickly

4 minutes ago, Nebraska said:

i'd be curious as to what made you reach this conclusion? also: no love for my boy yang? 

the fact that Biden is ahead in most polls. (the head-to-head polls that've been conducted are a bit weak if i'm not mistaken, but Biden's still among the top there too if not on top as well)

edit: also Yang can hardly string a sentence together half the time, he honestly probably wouldn't be too bad if he got the nom, i think his heart may be in the right place, but he's just not got the chops from what i've seen. he's trying to up his status for the most part.

Edited January 17, 2020 by auxien

[zlemflolia]

5 hours ago, auxien said:

lol Berniebros are this year’s MAGA idiots

"berniebro" is clearly sexist and potentially offensive to women who support bernie.  pathetic libs need to step aside if we ever want the overton window to move left

2 hours ago, auxien said:

^not trolling, i'm quite serious. the Berniebros out there are getting dangerously close to that MAGA-style cult mentality. i'm not saying you're one of them, but go spend a couple minutes looking through that account and tell me they're not

"the berniebros" by talking about vague ill-defined groups like this you are avoiding responsibility for the language you use.  I've never seen that twitter account in my life and I don't know those people or care about them, why are you falling for a tribal mentality?

[Salvatorin]

trump 2020

[Brisbot]

Wow It's like people are passionate about specific politicians and tend to only like 1 or 2 of them at a given time.

[auxien]

1 hour ago, Zeffolia said:

"berniebro" is clearly sexist and potentially offensive to women who support bernie.  pathetic libs need to step aside if we ever want the overton window to move left

"the berniebros" by talking about vague ill-defined groups like this you are avoiding responsibility for the language you use.  I've never seen that twitter account in my life and I don't know those people or care about them, why are you falling for a tribal mentality?

didn't see you pouncing on anyone on the last page with the phrases of a bunch of housewives with a "queen bitch" or the 'clearly sexist' snake terminology being used against Warren. odd, i think both of those times were by males, who were praising Bernie. hm, must just be a coincidence.

pathetic libs? try harder.

only reason i looked at that account was because Braintree linked it obv. it's quite obv i'm one of the least tribal motherfuckers around here. do you even look at what you're replying to or do you just type random shit? i'm pretty sure it's the latter. 

Edited January 17, 2020 by auxien

[ambermonk]

52 minutes ago, Brisbot said:

Wow It's like people are passionate about specific politicians and tend to only like 1 or 2 of them at a given time.

Something like that. Regardless who crosses the finish line, my hope is that it's someone who gives a damn about doing their best in treating everyone fairly, as well as being keenly aware of human impact on this planet, and what we can do to mitigate the negative effects.

Way I see it, politics divide us. Dank memes unite us.

[dr lopez]

2 hours ago, Nebraska said:

i'd be curious as to what made you reach this conclusion? also: no love for my boy yang? he's out here get chappelle's approval and he's promised to hand out $1000 checks to everyone if he wins

i want dave to do a yang rally and open with this joke from his recent special

 

[zlemflolia]

26 minutes ago, darreichungsform said:

hey ive heard that supportin bernie is not balanced and intelligent enoug bcs hes a commie??? other candidates are much more balanced and reasonable and voting for them is intelligernt bcs bernie is like trump cult-wise

also the left and the right are basically 100% the same well not 100% I'm reasonable maybe 90% lol im intelligent

ya know da politicull spectrum is basically like a horseshoe and i eat bonding agents

the gas leak has damaged my brai ai ai ai ain but im feeling great

im against berner sandawaaa

completely agreed, and the fact that anyone wants anything to change is appalling to me, how can you be unbiased if you are going to claim things from only one side?

things are going good for me in my life, so it's important that they keep staying that way.  we can't take money from rich people and we can't dismantle all corporations and put control of them into the hands of the workers, this would make it so that wealth is more evenly distributed and it would be bad for the economy because less opportunities to construct profit streams would exist for people whose primary life activity is the manipulation of social scenarios to increase their chances of climbing the social ladders which determine who is able to extract the most profit from the corporation in which they work, all under the watchful eye of the board of directors who have the most at stake economically and who put their emotional and physical labor into the work required to make the company contribute positively to humanity every single time they show up to a board meeting

it's absurd that anyone would want boarders abolished, money and advertising eliminated, wage labor eliminated in favor of voluntary labor, the concentration of labor into the production of goods, services, and technologies meant to better the lives of everyone

if you dont vote for warren not only are you sexist but you're proving that you're too far right to appreciate pro-capitalism ex-republican liberals whose campaign invents smears on her political opponents and who spends all of her time doing group selfie events at her rallies, can't imagine why anyone would be against corporate media propping her up over the lifelong socialist who wants to tax the wealthy who own the media companies that produce all of this news

[goDel]

7 hours ago, Braintree said:

Troll detected.

I agree with aux here, btw. That tweet you've posted looks like a typical product coming from a troll factory. Not saying it is. Just that it looks like it. The reason is fairly straightforward: its aim appears to be to increasing devisions. Often there some kind of divisive argument like this: if you support X, you're on the bad team (immoral, idiot, bigot, ...), but if you support Y you're good.

If it is not coming from a troll factory, I consider it a sign of that troll-technique having become normalised. Which arguably was already happening before Trump.

But the thing to -hopefully- learn is that stuff like this helps creating a toxic atmosphere. Even here in this thread. 

[zlemflolia]

53 minutes ago, goDel said:

I agree with aux here, btw. That tweet you've posted looks like a typical product coming from a troll factory. Not saying it is. Just that it looks like it. The reason is fairly straightforward: its aim appears to be to increasing devisions. Often there some kind of divisive argument like this: if you support X, you're on the bad team (immoral, idiot, bigot, ...), but if you support Y you're good.

If it is not coming from a troll factory, I consider it a sign of that troll-technique having become normalised. Which arguably was already happening before Trump.

But the thing to -hopefully- learn is that stuff like this helps creating a toxic atmosphere. Even here in this thread. 

the tweet is pointing out the difference between the candidates, it's pretty clearly based in reality and is not some made up drama bullshit, maybe division should be stirred here because, guess what, there's a big divide between the nature of the two candidates, and we're trying to figure out which one we want.  no surprise that the media supports the capitalist ex-republican

will I vote for her if she's the candidate? yeah I may as well.  do I want her supporters to support her if she's the candidate, yeah, definitely.  I just don't want her to be the candidate.  i'm sure the same can be said for many in this thread who are being called bernie bros by liberals

Edited January 17, 2020 by Zeffolia

[goDel]

Completely fair to call out the opposite side of the debate. The bernie bros thing is very much part of this as well. It goes both ways.

I completely disagree with everything you said in your first paragraph however. But lets ignore that part. Those are differences of opinion. Or perspective, I guess.

I think it's more important to acknowledge there's more sides to the coin here.

[dingformung]

8 hours ago, goDel said:

IBut the thing to -hopefully- learn is that stuff like this helps creating a toxic atmosphere. Even here in this thread. 

agree

7 hours ago, goDel said:

I think it's more important to acknowledge there's more sides to the coin here.

platitudinous

[auxien]

8 hours ago, Zeffolia said:

the tweet is pointing out the difference between the candidates, it's pretty clearly based in reality and is not some made up drama bullshit, maybe division should be stirred here because, guess what, there's a big divide between the nature of the two candidates, and we're trying to figure out which one we want.  no surprise that the media supports the capitalist ex-republican

there’s far far far more alike between Warren and Sanders than there is different. they very often vote exactly the same in the Senate. they’re probably more alike than any other two Dem nominees, and they’re certainly more akin to each other than either is to any other (current) hopeful. anyone who can’t see that is willfully blinding themselves. 

[dr lopez]

8 hours ago, goDel said:

Completely fair to call out the opposite side of the debate. The bernie bros thing is very much part of this as well. It goes both ways.

I completely disagree with everything you said in your first paragraph however. But lets ignore that part. Those are differences of opinion. Or perspective, I guess.

I think it's more important to acknowledge there's more sides to the coin here.

there is a large group of Sanders supporters who consistently say something to the effect of "I'm supporting Bernie because the costs of my health coverage and the byzantine healthcare system in this country are making me seriously consider suicide to save my loved ones from financial burden. I see Sanders as an attempt at changing that." 

there is a large group of Warren supporters who consistently say something to effect of "slay queen-- she's living her TRUTH!! warren is such a Ravenclaw!! I love her plans!! She's so smart, she's a professor at Harvard you know!!"

 

Former group are typically financially and educationally disenfranchised working class rust belt americans.

Latter group are typically upper middle class to rich white people who live in coastal cities, who have always had fairly robust health insurance from their media jobs, and therefore have the luxury of picking a candidate that fulfills a personality checklist and has the best typing for their class interests. Presidential pokemon collecting.

 

I personally don't find Sanders that charismatic or "likeable" or great with all the invented spin of "electability" based on a candidate's personality and perceived wokeness. I do however see him as a candidate that isn't concerned with that horseshit and instead is running a grassroots campaign that is funded by small donations from people all over the country. Far more exciting, convincing, and necessary. And by the way.. it seems to be working pretty well!

[dingformung]

4 minutes ago, dr lopez said:

I do however see him as a candidate that isn't concerned with that horseshit and instead is running a grassroots campaign that is funded by small donations from people all over the country. Far more exciting, convincing, and necessary. And by the way.. it seems to be working pretty well!

Yes. It makes him authentic and believable.

12 minutes ago, auxien said:

there’s far far far more alike between Warren and Sanders than there is different. they very often vote exactly the same in the Senate. they’re probably more alike than any other two Dem nominees, and they’re certainly more akin to each other than either is to any other (current) hopeful. anyone who can’t see that is willfully blinding themselves. 

 

Agree. But Warren's Republican past isn't exactly speaking for her. I wouldn't make anyone president who has been in a far right party now claiming they're socialists. I wish for a change in American foreign policy. Ya know, more of the good stuff they do in other countries and less of da bad stuff. And granting Americans access to services that are standard in Europe and Canada and elsewhere would be a good addition. I like most things Warren says but I do not trust her

Sorry for election interference

[chenGOD]

That Warren/Sanders "controversy" is literally, not figuratively, literally, the least important thing about the Democratic primaries. But you can guarantee that it will be repeated loudly and often by the Warren supporters. Same thing with that picture of Warren applauding after a Trump speech and Sanders' supporters.

What are their policies, how will they work with colleagues (both Dem and Rep) to enact their policies, how will they pay for them, and what will the impact on the American people be. Fuck all the circus.

 

Apologies for election interference, eh.

[zlemflolia]

"all the dems are the same just vote blue no matter who"

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7

[dr lopez]

great photo with that quote.

[ignatius]

31 minutes ago, Zeffolia said:

"all the dems are the same just vote blue no matter who"

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7

would still vote for that douchenozzle over trump though. if he get the nomination i'll hold my nose while i vote. certainly won't vote for him in the primary regardless of what he said 45 years ago.  he's the least appealing candidate to me. 

[chenGOD]

1 hour ago, Zeffolia said:

"all the dems are the same just vote blue no matter who"

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7

If Biden gets the nomination, would you:

1. Vote for him,
2. Write-in a vote,
3. Not vote,
4. Vote for the Republican candidate (possibly Trump)

Also, do you recognize that people can change their views over time through education and experience? 1977 was 42 years ago my dude.

He's clearly not the best choice for a progressive agenda, and if I were an American I wouldn't want him as the Dem nominee either. But is he better than any Republican? 100%

 

[dr lopez]

my issue with him is the senility