Black Lives Matter

[may be rude]

amazing illustration of demonic pigs, grinning with a ketamine needle, looking for someone to toss down a k-hole for the night's entertainment, disregarding the potential for their resulting death. this is exactly the problem, it's clearly gone way too far (better said: it's always been been too far, but now we are seeing it), and the problem cannot be tolerated. the cops need to be reined back. and it takes a tremendous force to do so, because they have unions, politics is sludge, and pandering to the police is a common source for political capital, so they've just ballooned in their sense of entitled untouchability. fuccccck the shit pigs. i know there are a lot of good ones, but fuck the shitty ones so fucking much.

[Candiru]

7 hours ago, milkface said:

If your posts aren't getting cazepalmed left right and centre you're a shitty person and you're not trying hard enough.

Well, if someone points out that the USA is still a nicer country than China, they aren’t wrong. The USA isn’t even that racist compared to them, nevermind all the geopolitical fuckery. 

 

9 hours ago, dingformung said:

Yet

Never. We’re about to enter a new Cold War with China.

[Limo]

5 minutes ago, Candiru said:

nevermind all the geopolitical fuckery. 

Are you joking?

[ignatius]

9 minutes ago, Candiru said:

Well, if someone points out that the USA is still a nicer country than China, they aren’t wrong. The USA isn’t even that racist compared to them, nevermind all the geopolitical fuckery. 

 

Never. We’re about to enter a new Cold War with China.

China going hard in africa. economic imperialism. resource snatching etc. not like american/british/EU companies haven't done that over there. china is investing yuge and bigly there. 

i've read some stuff here and there over the years about terrible racism in china and chinese entitlement when they travel etc but haven't really done a deep dive on that. 

anyway.. how'd BLM thread get to china stuff? 

[chenGOD]

3 hours ago, very honest said:

 i know there are a lot of good ones, but fuck the shitty ones so fucking much.

The problem here is that social media amplifies shit so much. I agree 100%, fuck the shitty ones, and fuck the culture that lets them get away with this shit. But, it truly is a case of a massive minority being total dicks. In 2015 there were 53.5 million interactions between the police and public (source: https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6406).

Obviously one wrongful death as a result of police actions is one too many, but in 2015 there were again slightly over 1,000 deaths caused by police. We don't know how many of those were truly justified (i.e. a police officer's life was truly in danger), so let's say none of them were. That means out of all police-public interactions in 2015, that means approximately 0.002% ended in the death of a member of the public. So again, while one wrongful death is one too many, the amplification caused by social media and echo chambers/media bubbles makes the issue seem like genocide.

[brian trageskin]

12 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

The problem here is that social media amplifies shit so much. I agree 100%, fuck the shitty ones, and fuck the culture that lets them get away with this shit. But, it truly is a case of a massive minority being total dicks. In 2015 there were 53.5 million interactions between the police and public (source: https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6406).

Obviously one wrongful death as a result of police actions is one too many, but in 2015 there were again slightly over 1,000 deaths caused by police. We don't know how many of those were truly justified (i.e. a police officer's life was truly in danger), so let's say none of them were. That means out of all police-public interactions in 2015, that means approximately 0.002% ended in the death of a member of the public. So again, while one wrongful death is one too many, the amplification caused by social media and echo chambers/media bubbles makes the issue seem like genocide.

spoken like a true fascist apologist 

disgusting

[dingformung]

What an atrocious false flag attack, truly despicable

[chenGOD]

1 minute ago, brian trageskin said:

spoken like a true fascist apologist 

disgusting

Channeling zeff?

What I'm trying to say is that hysteria leads to bad policy choices (like some people wanting to abolish the police altogether, as opposed to defund and reform policing).

[brian trageskin]

you're cancelled old man

[Candiru]

1 hour ago, rhmilo said:

Are you joking?

Nope. For all the fucked up things the US has done overseas, we’re not currently committing genocide or trying to start WW3. 

[apriorion]

Don't know about all this China stuff. 

I came here to see what you guys have been thinking about this movement lately. I must say, I stumbled upon some old Jon Stewart clips from 2014 and I was surprised how much what they were talking about then still applies today. Then I was surprised that I was surprised. 

[dingformung]

15 minutes ago, Candiru said:

Nope. For all the fucked up things the US has done overseas, we’re not currently committing genocide or trying to start WW3. 

not currently

[may be rude]

56 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

The problem here is that social media amplifies shit so much. I agree 100%, fuck the shitty ones, and fuck the culture that lets them get away with this shit. But, it truly is a case of a massive minority being total dicks. In 2015 there were 53.5 million interactions between the police and public (source: https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6406).

Obviously one wrongful death as a result of police actions is one too many, but in 2015 there were again slightly over 1,000 deaths caused by police. We don't know how many of those were truly justified (i.e. a police officer's life was truly in danger), so let's say none of them were. That means out of all police-public interactions in 2015, that means approximately 0.002% ended in the death of a member of the public. So again, while one wrongful death is one too many, the amplification caused by social media and echo chambers/media bubbles makes the issue seem like genocide.

i mean, if i'm running a banquet service, and i only poison a fraction of people, i can't say there's no problem. i would suggest you try to be careful to not sound like you are part of the dismissive attitude that this movement is working on correcting.

[chenGOD]

How many times do I have to say "one wrongful death is one too many"? What about "fuck the culture that lets them get away with it [police brutality]".

Hysteria leads to bad decision making. And I see a lot of hysteria on a lot of issues being caused by social media bubbles.

[zero]

fwiw I didn't interpret Chen's post as somehow trying to defend police actions in any way. seemed pretty clear the point he was making. anyway, carry on.

[Candiru]

Trying to blame all of this on police completely misses the point anyway and it actually seems to intentionally miss the point. It's bad legislation that the American people naively ASKED for decades ago. They wanted to be tough on drugs and crime, but a lot of it ended up backfiring in a sinister way. Cops are killing less people than ever, but we have smartphones now. Not a popular thing to point out, I realize, but it's still true. 

The American public just isn't smart enough to have a nuanced conversation about fucking anything, no matter where they are on the political spectrum. 

[ignatius]

34 minutes ago, Candiru said:

Trying to blame all of this on police completely misses the point anyway and it actually seems to intentionally miss the point. It's bad legislation that the American people naively ASKED for decades ago. They wanted to be tough on drugs and crime, but a lot of it ended up backfiring in a sinister way. Cops are killing less people than ever, but we have smartphones now. Not a popular thing to point out, I realize, but it's still true. 

The American public just isn't smart enough to have a nuanced conversation about fucking anything, no matter where they are on the political spectrum. 

i don't think everyone asked for it.. it was definitely sold to americans by politicians though. and certainly lot's of people came around to thinking it was all a very good idea because law and order blah blah blah.. but i'm sure if black people were asked about it back then they'd have a different opinion to the 'silent majority' or whatever we want to call it.  it was a big part of the party platforms. 

 

[chenGOD]

40 minutes ago, ignatius said:

1 hour ago, Candiru said:

Trying to blame all of this on police completely misses the point anyway and it actually seems to intentionally miss the point. It's bad legislation that the American people naively ASKED for decades ago. They wanted to be tough on drugs and crime, but a lot of it ended up backfiring in a sinister way. Cops are killing less people than ever, but we have smartphones now. Not a popular thing to point out, I realize, but it's still true. 

The American public just isn't smart enough to have a nuanced conversation about fucking anything, no matter where they are on the political spectrum. 

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i don't think everyone asked for it.. it was definitely sold to americans by politicians though. and certainly lot's of people came around to thinking it was all a very good idea because law and order blah blah blah.. but i'm sure if black people were asked about it back then they'd have a different opinion to the 'silent majority' or whatever we want to call it.  it was a big part of the party platforms. 

It’s both for sure. Some people asked for it, it was sold by a lot of politicians (definite pandering to a majority of white voters) and there was a lot of terrible thinking around drugs and addiction at the time. 
 

Of course once programs get entrenched it’s hard to back away from them, which is why the private prison industry and all the terrible laws around drugs still exist. 

[Ivy Zemura yvI oo ii oo]

5 hours ago, Candiru said:

Nope. For all the fucked up things the US has done overseas, we’re not currently committing genocide or trying to start WW3. 

weird, after decades of murdering and couping socialist leaders and popular uprisings every time people try it, the world is under a relatively stable dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, and open genocides aren't as required anymore.  except of course for instance the obvious genocide of the palestinian people we're actively funding, and I'm going to guess more which I'm too ignorant to know offhand.  but who cares you know they're just dirty poor browns right

fuck amerikkka

[Ivy Zemura yvI oo ii oo]

3 hours ago, Candiru said:

Trying to blame all of this on police completely misses the point anyway and it actually seems to intentionally miss the point. It's bad legislation that the American people naively ASKED for decades ago. They wanted to be tough on drugs and crime, but a lot of it ended up backfiring in a sinister way. Cops are killing less people than ever, but we have smartphones now. Not a popular thing to point out, I realize, but it's still true. 

The American public just isn't smart enough to have a nuanced conversation about fucking anything, no matter where they are on the political spectrum. 

weird how only certain types of people get to count as "the American people".  don't think black people asked for this.  super spoopy how a fascist empire does fascism on its own colonized peoples, and "the people" (the white people) even supposedly asked for it? weird how people just happen to vote for the options theyre given, which are all far right fascist bullshit, and how theres literally no non-fascist option, even the furthest left US politicians are imperialist scumbags including Bernard

fuck the american public but mostly fuck the bourgeoisie for being the ones who actually do this shit, with the faux support of the "american people" whose consent for this is manufactured by TV cop dramas and "black people are scary drug pushers" rhetoric

[Limo]

10 hours ago, chenGOD said:

in 2015 there were again slightly over 1,000 deaths caused by police

In that same year in the Netherlands there were 3. Obviously the Netherlands is much smaller than the US (17 million people vs 350) but extrapolated to the population of the US that would be:

61

[Silent Member]

^{Rate of law enforcement killings, per million population per year, 1999-2011. Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Health Statistics.}

Of course the number of killings are higher in places like Venezuala, the Phillipines and Afghanistan, but that's not really anything to be proud of. 

and then there's always this thing.

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

Edited June 26, 2020 by Gocab

[caze]

8 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

weird how only certain types of people get to count as "the American people".  don't think black people asked for this. 

yes they did. black communities were strongly in favour of the war on drugs from the beginning (e.g. Biden was big on 'law and order' back then and has always had big support from black voters, they recently helped him hand Sanders his ass), and continue to this day to be supportive of the police as an institution (even though they're unsatisfied about how they go about doing their job, for obvious reasons - they want reform, not abolition). most black voters are pretty conservative.

Edited June 26, 2020 by caze

[goDel]

3 hours ago, Gocab said:

^{Rate of law enforcement killings, per million population per year, 1999-2011. Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Health Statistics.}

Of course the number of killings are higher in places like Venezuala, the Phillipines and Afghanistan, but that's not really anything to be proud of. 

and then there's always this thing.

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

Native American!? Euh, call me a silly European, but the Natives are not the caucasians, right? Looks silly to distinguish Latino and African and consider the non-spanish europeans as natives. I'm confused. I'm thinking of those Indians and the likes as the original natives. But if so, they decided to ignore the caucasians as a group?

Anyways...So, if your grandparent came from Ireland, you're considered a native. But if your grandparent came from Africa, you're not considered a native. Sure. No institutional racism whatsoever. Just some European idiot not understanding what the hell is the thinking behind that graph.

[Silent Member]

Native americans are native americans, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_brutality_against_Native_Americans. Latino means latin american I guess, not some euroamerican with portugese/spanish/italian ancestry. Crackers are in the 1.2 group

Edited June 26, 2020 by Gocab