luke vibert Why is it that the majority of people who listen to Electronic music don't know about IDM?

[dr lopez]

farts on a backbeat

[Caretstik]

If you can even attempt to describe all of the music you listen to as just 'electronic' this or that then where the fuck have you been and what have you been doing? Fuck spending every day of your life just listening to Druqks and Confield.

[vamos scorcho]

one day when you're driving with your friends nonchalantly put pulse demon in the player...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGh_okr5nI

[Caretstik]

Joyrex: please restore your fucking 'IDM' filter, stat.

[Bob Dylan]

Pretty simple for me : Music is social. This ain't, IDM pretty much exists and started as a way to oppose yourself to "social music" (club music).

 

.There is nothing much to talk about it, the medium speaks by itself, that's why there is so much myths created by artists on their personna.

 

 

 

 

 

p.s.: Is it really important that they know about it?

[chassis]

are you kidding me man?

 

that is one of the greatest tracks written by anyone, ever!

 

not just bleeps and bloops....

 

go enjoy your ABBA!

 

I hope you are joking about RPEG.....

 

or at least think it is amazing because it is....

I lol'd

[Atop]

good times

[Guest disparaissant]

 

p.s.: Is it really important that they know about it?

 

everyone needs to know ABOUT it, but not actually like it because that would make everyone who actually likes it much less cool

[Atop]

ahhh, the good ole elitist attitude.....

[vamos scorcho]

i think it's more important that we find a solution to "take care" of all the people who think that it's weird music for the sake of purifying the future genetic code of our beautiful planet

 

 

 

 

 

just kidding, but really, aphex twin (more autechre) is like wagner at times in terms of how fuuuucking elite and nihilistic/sociopathic it is, and stuff

 

 

(nihilst / nazi website)

http://anus.com used to list autechre under bands necessary to listen to in order to be a nihilist

 

and as for why i know the above fact, i used to be a teenager who took too many mushrooms and thought it made sense to listen to burzum and beleev in nozzing

[Guest disparaissant]

i think it's more important that we find a solution to "take care" of all the people who think that it's weird music for the sake of purifying the future genetic code of our beautiful planet

 

 

 

 

 

just kidding, but really, aphex twin (more autechre) is like wagner at times in terms of how fuuuucking elite and nihilistic/sociopathic it is, and stuff

 

 

(nihilst / nazi website)

http://anus.com used to list autechre under bands necessary to listen to in order to be a nihilist

 

and as for why i know the above fact, i used to be a teenager who took too many mushrooms and thought it made sense to listen to burzum and beleev in nozzing

 

 

funny, i used to do the same thing with afx

[vamos scorcho]

the last autechre album (oversteps) made me feel like i had turned into a nihilist serial killer supercomputer robot while i was listening to it. really weird emotions on that one.

[chenGOD]

lol at all the references to 4/4 music, as if 95% of IDM isn't in 4/4.

[taphead]

I only listen to IDM in 3/4, waltzing helps me think.

[Guest disparaissant]

I only listen to IDM in 3/4, waltzing helps me think.

fuckn lol

[oscillik]

lol at all the references to 4/4 music, as if 95% of IDM isn't in 4/4.

i think they mean 4 on the floor beat

[karmakramer]

The appeal of AFX and other IDM/Warp artists has nothing to do with the technical mastery that went into it... the music is what's important first, you only seek to understand the process after you've come to love/enjoy it. I hate when people make this mistake. When I'm browsing my computer for music to listen to, I am not thinking "which musics is the most technically impressive, thats what I want to listen to!" ... thats absurd. The fact that AFX's catalogue stretches so far across so many different styles is evident that technical mastery has nothing to do with it. I see a lot of the other (shitty) IDM artists (and there's a lot of them) as technical gurus who just want to learn the newest tricks... the problem with these guys is that their process is completely backwards imo. It should all start with wanting to bring something in their head to life... thats how technical innovation occurs. The artists understands what sound they are looking for and then try to achieve this sound through a new process (the tech one).

 

When I listen to Squarepusher and AFX something clearly sets them a part from the others. Something about it sounds pure and honest. Ever seen a demo reel of something who uses Adobe After Effects or something? A lot of the time, you'll simply see all these different visual effects in these reels. But whats the motivation for achieving these effects? To simply show off your prowess? To show how fucking smart you are? Typically... and for demo reels theirs nothing technically bad about that because its basically used to demonstrate your technical skills for an employer. But if you are creating a piece of music, it really needs to be coming from a personal place. SAW 85/92 sounds very lo-fi, but does that make it worse than Drukqs? Can you really even compare the two?

 

I guess my point in all this blabbering is that IDM isn't a genre. Its never been a genre. Richard and Tom weren't sitting around trying to create some new revolution in music. They were simply trying to express themselves. It's that simple. And its the main aspect of mainstream music today that kills me. Where are our visionaries? Why doesn't our culture celebrate uniqueness and individuality? Why does everything need to be categorized neatly for our consumption? Are we really that lazy we can't challenge ourselves and explore things as they are and not as they are described?

[Guest disparaissant]

so a subjective feeling that you feel subjectively based on nothing other than your own subjectively feeling it is a reason to disparage other genres of music and people who like said other genres of music. chhhhhhhhhheck.

[Guest uptown devil]

in b4 masonic boom

[vamos scorcho]

Where are our visionaries? Why doesn't our culture celebrate uniqueness and individuality? Why does everything need to be categorized neatly for our consumption? Are we really that lazy we can't challenge ourselves and explore things as they are and not as they are described?

 

thus is the future of the internet music criticism machine. it's our job as musicians (i assume you are for some reason) to fuck shit up over the remaining years of the human civilization's survival. pitchfork, critic, and blog culture has all but killed the art and pure spiritual-level enjoyment of music for many people, mostly people like us who are already prone to extreme levels of analyzation. by assigning every song and album a "score" they have turned us into mass art/music consuming robot machines instead of emotionally attached individuals. just a theory. what i mean is that we just want to hear more and more, find more and more, criticize more and more, listen and figure out how good something is instead of actually sitting back and letting the sound flow into our mind/body/soul.

 

check out satanicpornocultshop and gangpol und mit for true musical visionaries. flying lotus is a master, but he isn't exactly a visionary, you know? and some of the musicians around here and on other sites are incredibly promising too.

 

also there are bands like radiohead and animal collective that exceed expectations of what a mainstream group can do (there are also haters of these groups)

 

some of that stuff i typed is kind of bs, but i've got this vague theory that i'm building about this and i think there is some truth to it.

[Guest disparaissant]

all i'm sayin is there's a reason my roommate is off enjoying the shit out of iron man 2 and probably listening to pop punk in the car on the way back rather than watching drawing restraint and listening to merzbow. MOST PEOPLE don't like that kind of stuff. people like different things. perception perception perception.

[posture]

Is that agent Scully?

[Guest Lube Saibot]

all i'm sayin is there's a reason my roommate is off enjoying the shit out of iron man 2 and probably listening to pop punk in the car on the way back rather than watching drawing restraint and listening to merzbow. MOST PEOPLE don't like that kind of stuff. people like different things. perception perception perception.

 

It's retarded that you equate watching Iron Man 2 to listening to pop punk.

[Guest disparaissant]

all i'm sayin is there's a reason my roommate is off enjoying the shit out of iron man 2 and probably listening to pop punk in the car on the way back rather than watching drawing restraint and listening to merzbow. MOST PEOPLE don't like that kind of stuff. people like different things. perception perception perception.

 

It's retarded that you equate watching Iron Man 2 to listening to pop punk.

 

I wasn't equating it, he was off seeing Iron Man 2 and listens to nothing but pop punk.

 

Is that agent Scully?

 

It's Kate Bush!

[QBLA]

I still have no idea how the hell to describe what I listen to to people when they ask. Saying "I listen to IDM (or saying what the acronym means)" just sounds fucking stupid. Any thoughts or help on that? This shit needs a better, less pretentious name.

 

Not Braindance either, that sounds more stupid.

 

before i heard the term idm and didn't know what to call it, i called it abstract electronic music. i still do. then i get asked "why is it abstract?"... and i basically just say that regular electronic music is made for clubs and dancing, abstract electronic music is more for listening. but i'm happy this conversation never comes up cause i'd rather talk about hip hop.