kcinsu Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Most of his cool music comes from uncredited interns/staff. He has a team of people that comes up with cool ideas and do all of his editing grunt work. He is a corporation. He said in a Reddit AMA that Binary Universe cost him $200,000 to make (and he claims to have not turned a profit but lost money on that one) maybe the high cost of producing that album was due to hiring people to do c-sound crap for him? pretty sure you're right about that. I think one of the people he hired for it was richard devine, but I don't remember where I heard that (here somewhere I think) so that might not be right. they collaborated on a soundtrack/sound design of a movie, I believe. If I remember correctly, the sound track and the sound design kind of acted together, so they teamed up (could be wrong). It's not my understanding that RD was working for BT. They became friends after this, and RD does remixes for BT from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptowen Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 The weird thing about BT is if you run any of his songs through the right kind of distortion pedal it sounds like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) BT is known for using a production technique he calls the stutter edit. This technique consists of taking a small fragment (or fragments) of sound and then repeating it rhythmically. BT was entered into the Guinness Book of World Records for his song "Somnambulist (Simply Being Loved)". This song was recognized as using the largest number of vocal edits in a song (6,178 edits). holy fucking lol. worst crap i heard in years Edited April 15, 2012 by Ivan Ooze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 What a dandy fopp. 100 page thread? Let's do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruising for burgers Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 flawless air drumming! stunning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lopez Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 The weird thing about BT is if you run any of his songs through the right kind of distortion pedal it sounds like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCIUf8eYPqA lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YO303 Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 This will forever be the greatest shity trance song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Most of his cool music comes from uncredited interns/staff. He has a team of people that comes up with cool ideas and do all of his editing grunt work. He is a corporation. He said in a Reddit AMA that Binary Universe cost him $200,000 to make (and he claims to have not turned a profit but lost money on that one) maybe the high cost of producing that album was due to hiring people to do c-sound crap for him? pretty sure you're right about that. I think one of the people he hired for it was richard devine, but I don't remember where I heard that (here somewhere I think) so that might not be right. BT's hired his own Richard Devine, Brian Trifon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 BT is known for using a production technique he calls the stutter edit. This technique consists of taking a small fragment (or fragments) of sound and then repeating it rhythmically. BT was entered into the Guinness Book of World Records for his song "Somnambulist (Simply Being Loved)". This song was recognized as using the largest number of vocal edits in a song (6,178 edits). holy fucking lol. worst crap i heard in years I imagine both of these beat that record anyway without even attempting such juvenile stunts - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest couch Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I liked binary universe when i got it. But it's never beckoned me to listen to it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purlieu Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 The first and last tracks and 'See You on the Other Side' on This Binary Universe are incredible, the rest of it's quite poor. As a kid I really liked the singles from ESCM. Flaming June is still lovely, in a 90s commercial trance kind of way. Everything else I've heard of his is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fatcaesar Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 This is good, no one can say otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamovich Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt_tjQSdl30 This is good, no one can say otherwise Wow, from van Buuren into something from Draft 7.30, nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganus Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt_tjQSdl30 This is good, no one can say otherwise it's *decent* and as it's not really king douche himself behind most of it I'm sure, I probably wouldn't mind listening to it if it didn't have the name BT attached to it. the BT stigma is just too much for me though. also as it's more of a product and not music as an expression, it doesn't have any real emotion to it. Edited April 16, 2012 by ganus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeB Posted April 16, 2012 Author Share Posted April 16, 2012 So if I get the general consensus right, pretty much no one else here likes his music, because: The artist cares "too much" about his image It doesn't have enough "soul" It lacks direction The vocals are bad It's a team effort, without credit given where it's due As I'm a fan of music, not musicians, I don't care about the first point. (But hey, I guess at least you're objectifying men and women equally?) I'm curious about the second point, though. Is this a lack of emotion, or originality, or sincerity, that you're perceiving..? The lack of direction is also intriguing. I view it as a plus point, his music takes you all over the place, like a wild ride, and it never feels contrived in changing direction, merely interesting. As far as the vocals go, yes, the lyrics seem a bit trite and direct, but at least he's put in the effort to actually write lyrics. For a lot of music fans, they're a necessity. The team effort thing's interesting. Is it the lack of credit you object to, or a group of people co-operating in order to make music together? I've heard the same criticism raised against Hans Zimmer, and in both cases, I think the music itself is often great, regardless of how it was made or by who. Yes, people should be given proper credit, but can anyone cite a source regarding Zimmercorp or Transeaucorp? I guess I shouldn't even bother asking what people here think of Xenomania... I guess I don't make a distinction anymore between manufactured music and artistic music. If it sounds good, it is good. If it's popular, good for the artist. Making music that people want to hear in order to subsidise making artistic music sounds like a pretty good strategy to me, and who says the two have to be mutually exclusive anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganus Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) As I'm a fan of music, not musicians, I don't care about the first point. Seriously, I envy you on this. I will not/cannot listen to music if the person who makes it is a douchebag, even if I would otherwise like it (last step and acidwolf, for example) because I cannot separate their personality from the music. Edited April 16, 2012 by ganus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeB Posted April 16, 2012 Author Share Posted April 16, 2012 As I'm a fan of music, not musicians, I don't care about the first point. Seriously, I envy you on this. I will not/cannot listen to music if the person who makes it is a douchebag, even if I would otherwise like it (last step and acidwolf, for example) because I cannot separate their personality from the music. Haha... Well, I like (some) Apple products, and yet I firmly believe that Steve Jobs was an actual psychopath, so... :) Sometimes bad people can either make good things, or get other people to make good things for them. It's not like I know the first thing about whether any of the musicians I like are actually nice people or not. I've never met them. The same goes for the people who make all the other products I buy. I just have to buy them or not based on their own merits, not their creators' personalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goiter Sanchez Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 What a dandy fopp. 100 page thread? Let's do this. Fuck BT, we need a 100 page topic on Basshunter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RadarJammer Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 As I'm a fan of music, not musicians, I don't care about the first point. Seriously, I envy you on this. I will not/cannot listen to music if the person who makes it is a douchebag, even if I would otherwise like it (last step and acidwolf, for example) because I cannot separate their personality from the music. Interesting subject. I would be shit out of luck if I boycotted movies with actors who I don't like on a personal level (Hollywood is infested with scientology yuck) but if they are doing their job right then your idea of who they are changes into something imaginative. Some of my least favorite actors (as people) are actually some of my favorite actors (as actors). In the case of BT and similar musicians, having the ™ personality package attached makes it feel more like a guilty pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinski Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 boten anna is great, you leave basshunter alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeB Posted April 16, 2012 Author Share Posted April 16, 2012 In the case of BT and similar musicians, having the ™ personality package attached makes it feel more like a guilty pleasure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfQY8_jFZKU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 What about Atom ™ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt_tjQSdl30 This is good, no one can say otherwise this sounds like flahbulb trying to emulate autechre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 let's have a thread about Chicane and then one about Cascada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeB Posted April 16, 2012 Author Share Posted April 16, 2012 What about Atom ™ ? Please don't tell me Uwe Schmidt is too mainstream for WATMMers? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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