chenGOD Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 umm that all they've done is move the tech behind the magic from the keyboard part of a laptop to the screen part of a laptop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Erm, you can turn things around and some things things look similar? No idea - probably something to do with internets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o00o Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 lol Clever graphic, but what criticism or point is it trying to make? You can't buy it now. The keynote was a disaster: [media=] [/media] Just jump in quickly: min 13:35 FAIL min 14:07 FAIL min 18:45 FAIL min 19:47 FAIL min 24:05 FAIL Its the same iSlate in a new box that was to kill the iPad years ago: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I think there are some good ideas in there A nicely designed kickstand makes sense. A magnetic cover with a keyboard in it is a genius idea (and tricky to engineer) and if Apple had done it first everyone would be hailing their genius and calling it the end of the laptop etc. Getting an Ivy Bridge architecture with x86 into a decent sized tablet and making it work is tricky. Their cooling system idea is good. I can get behind Microsoft snark most times, but if you always snark even when there's potentially good stuff, then the snark starts to lose its potency. Save your snark for when they really balls it up. As the Dalai Lama once said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mirezzi Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 It has ...euh.. internet explorer.. LOL [media=] [/media] He had to grab another one? What a fucking disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dylan Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 They should have eliminated the keyboard, it's a waste of space. There is no possible ergonomy in keys that are 0.1mm in depth. Why do a half-assed job? A real one or none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I think there are some good ideas in there A nicely designed kickstand makes sense. A magnetic cover with a keyboard in it is a genius idea (and tricky to engineer) and if Apple had done it first everyone would be hailing their genius and calling it the end of the laptop etc. Getting an Ivy Bridge architecture with x86 into a decent sized tablet and making it work is tricky. Their cooling system idea is good. I can get behind Microsoft snark most times, but if you always snark even when there's potentially good stuff, then the snark starts to lose its potency. Save your snark for when they really balls it up. As the Dalai Lama once said. this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delet... Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I think there are some good ideas in there A nicely designed kickstand makes sense. A magnetic cover with a keyboard in it is a genius idea (and tricky to engineer) and if Apple had done it first everyone would be hailing their genius and calling it the end of the laptop etc. Getting an Ivy Bridge architecture with x86 into a decent sized tablet and making it work is tricky. Their cooling system idea is good. I can get behind Microsoft snark most times, but if you always snark even when there's potentially good stuff, then the snark starts to lose its potency. Save your snark for when they really balls it up. As the Dalai Lama once said. this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 They should have eliminated the keyboard, it's a waste of space. There is no possible ergonomy in keys that are 0.1mm in depth. Why do a half-assed job? A real one or none. this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I agree that surface has some potential. But there's a couple of huge red lights when during the presentation a huge point is being made about perfection being a culture and what not (sounds like microsofts late response to the early nineties interview with steve jobs about microsoft having no sense of culture?). And in that same presentation quite a number things just go wrong in a painful way. Way to go perfection. I fear these good ideas will get overshadowed by the old microsoft culture of throwing as much as possible inside a box. Things went wrong, IMO, because they've tried to achieve too much in the available time. And the end result may be a product with a number of good ideas which just don't quite work as perfectly as proposed. Perfect ideas, poor execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modey Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I love the amount of mac laptops in the audience of the presentation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 They should have eliminated the keyboard, it's a waste of space. There is no possible ergonomy in keys that are 0.1mm in depth. Why do a half-assed job? A real one or none. They have one. Anyway, I think this looks like a great product, if it works properly. The keynote has me worried that is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I love the amount of mac laptops in the audience of the presentation yes, and all the blabbering about software and hardware being tightly developed together, I can't think of one computer company which has ever done that before, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I think there are some good ideas in there A nicely designed kickstand makes sense. A magnetic cover with a keyboard in it is a genius idea (and tricky to engineer) and if Apple had done it first everyone would be hailing their genius and calling it the end of the laptop etc. Getting an Ivy Bridge architecture with x86 into a decent sized tablet and making it work is tricky. Their cooling system idea is good. I can get behind Microsoft snark most times, but if you always snark even when there's potentially good stuff, then the snark starts to lose its potency. Save your snark for when they really balls it up. As the Dalai Lama once said. What, they didn't ball it up enough in that press conference? The dude had to get another model since the one he had crashed so badly. This thing isn't fit to be a kickstand for an iPad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I think there are some good ideas in there A nicely designed kickstand makes sense. A magnetic cover with a keyboard in it is a genius idea (and tricky to engineer) and if Apple had done it first everyone would be hailing their genius and calling it the end of the laptop etc. Getting an Ivy Bridge architecture with x86 into a decent sized tablet and making it work is tricky. Their cooling system idea is good. I can get behind Microsoft snark most times, but if you always snark even when there's potentially good stuff, then the snark starts to lose its potency. Save your snark for when they really balls it up. As the Dalai Lama once said. this. How is snark not warranted when MS breathlessly introduces a product that has no set price, no set release date, and doesn't even function properly during the breathless keynote? Release a finished, polished product and no snark will be warranted. Christ, the UI looks laggy as shit even when the device appears to be functioning as intended. A couple good ideas and a totally botched execution, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 How is snark not warranted when MS breathlessly introduces a product that has no set price, no set release date, and doesn't even function properly during the breathless keynote? Release a finished, polished product and no snark will be warranted. Christ, the UI looks laggy as shit even when the device appears to be functioning as intended. A couple good ideas and a totally botched execution, as usual. it seems a logical conclusion that some people have a different point at which we think snark is warranted...it's almost as if people have different perspectives on things. fuckin' crazy, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chook Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzu3HM2CIo&feature=player_embedded Ufabulum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 When things crash during a demo, it can mean that the demo is too early, not that the product is bad. (because all products are unstable at some point in their development) I've heard that they rushed out this demo because Google are imminently going to unveil a tablet and so MS wanted to get there first. MS must have been working on this stuff for years, and decided it was better to demo now than wait till later. Hence no release date, costs etc (although they did say the ARM one would be coming out same time as Win8 and be roughly ipad-priced). So, I'll vote guilty to them demoing too early (although they had their reasons) but not-guilty to the charge of crappy product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Also, one thing this surface might do is really piss off their OEM partners. http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/20/technology/microsoft-surface-hardware/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Zazen, the fact that they've been working on tablets for years (they're actually one of the first companies working on the tablet factor) and still can't show something beyond beta status speaks volumes. They might release some working product somewhere in the future, but the question is when and wether it will be too late. Odds are, they have to leave out functionality to have it fully working. This might be MS's next Zune: in the end a good product, but too little too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 doesn't look very good does it? as someone else said - typical microsoft trying to cram waaaay too much into a product. who the fuck needs an ivy bridge core i5 CPU in a tablet? i mean, sure, i guess there are one or two people that might need all that power for 3D design and the like, but the vast majority of people will never come close to needing that. also, if you're doing CPU intensive 3D shit or whatever, then 9 times out of ten you're going to be sitting at a desk on a desktop computer. obviously that's why they have 2 versions, but i don't get why they even need the "pro" version really - they're just trying to impress by putting the fastest processor possible into a device which doesn't require a super-fast processor. also the UI looks laggy as shit, even on the "pro" version (as somebody else already said) and generally the device seems to be beset with problems and bugs, which is also very typical of microsoft. you just know that if/when they actually release this thing, there is going to be a positive shitstorm of problems and returns and a whole load of bad press. also, the whole presentation was very poor - like, in terms of the people speaking, their presentation skills, the setup, music etc. just looked really unprofessional and thrown together at the last minute - much like the surface i expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mirezzi Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 What BCM said, all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Although I doubt Microsoft is making the right choices with their silly touch UI in Windows 8 there might be people interested in a touch device with an operating system that is not jailed like iOS or Android. Running actual programs instead of some low-footprint version lacking features. Not that I'd ever want a touch device like this. Touchscreens for general computer use is not progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Running actual programs instead of some low-footprint version lacking features. totally, im beginning to get a bit of a chubby for the x86 version. who the fuck needs an ivy bridge core i5 CPU in a tablet? everyone, it's the right step forward, it looks like an actual mobile desktop pc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Richy Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I'm still not convinced that people actually need tablets, they are mere toys really than tools. Looks like MS are trying to change that a bit by trying to combine desktop laptop and tablet, a bit like the asus transformer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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