hijexx Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Which version/release of ICBYD are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jejunum Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Every release. I remember the good old days of OiNK and what.cd and ICBYD was ”flagged” as being lossy, so I assume it’s baked into the original master? I could have a look at the spectrals myself but can’t be bothered to start the computer right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 one of the secret messages is that he doesn't even care, actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijexx Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Hmm never heard about that for ICBYD. Lossy formats weren't really a big thing back in 1995 IIRC. I did remember reading that when they were trying to scrounge up gracks for 26 Mixes For Cash that they had to use some lossy formats for a few of the tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 given the varying dates on the tracklist, there may be a mix of lossy/lossless sources if anything. spectrals are super easy in audacity these days so i'll check it when at my desk. related: a short while ago i dug up an mp3 copy of this album from a cd-r i made years ago. these mp3s were very slightly slower than the flacs i have now (i tried to invert them to see the difference) and i cannot explain why. i'm pretty sure they're both CD rips. could this have happened at Sire? or did some teenager think it would be funny to change the speed of each track by one or two seconds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/14/2020 at 1:23 PM, hijexx said: Hmm never heard about that for ICBYD. Lossy formats weren't really a big thing back in 1995 IIRC. I did remember reading that when they were trying to scrounge up gracks for 26 Mixes For Cash that they had to use some lossy formats for a few of the tracks. RE: lossy formats for 26 Mixes... - that was because they couldn't source even commercial material for some of the remixes - WARP reached out to me and others to see if we had the Gavin Byers remix, David Bowie, etc. They were in a rush because another label was trying to release a compilation of exactly what 26 Mixes eventually became Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijexx Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 ICBYD was released 25 years ago today Man time flies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumbass Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 damn not that i was around when the album released but time flies for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 3/13/2020 at 8:45 PM, jejunum said: Every release. I remember the good old days of OiNK and what.cd and ICBYD was ”flagged” as being lossy, so I assume it’s baked into the original master? I could have a look at the spectrals myself but can’t be bothered to start the computer right now. That's just silly. That's like saying the original release was based on a lossy rip of a non-existing album. Or rather, RDJ ripped his own tunes lossy. And used those to put on an album. Euh....no!? Maybe oink/what.cd flagged lossy because those were lossy rips of the album? Unless they flagged FLACs lossy as well. In that case it could mean they were considered transcodes of lossy rips. Which would be silly as well, as they should have been deleted right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perunamuusi Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 You're lossy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psn Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Well FLAC you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 hours ago, hijexx said: ICBYD was released 25 years ago today Man time flies Still caring because we can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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garbage_burner Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Wonder if it's being flagged as lossy because he mentioned recording to DAT players at slower speeds to get more length out of the tape which would explain the loss of higher frequencies. It was probably "lossy" since it's creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psn Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Puck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijexx Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Prick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Did you know that wet tip hen ax is an acronym for Apheex Ttwin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijexx Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 MOOKID is an anagram for MI DOOK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grit Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 13 hours ago, hijexx said: MOOKID is an anagram for MI DOOK Moo = Cow, Kid = Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manmower Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 19 hours ago, garbage_burner said: Wonder if it's being flagged as lossy because he mentioned recording to DAT players at slower speeds to get more length out of the tape which would explain the loss of higher frequencies. It was probably "lossy" since it's creation. I think the whole thing was recorded to 32 kHz DAT so rolls off steeply at 16 kHz. Which would look similar to the typical shelf in MP3 encodes and bad (lossy to lossless) transcodes. This example is technically not lossy compression, but it could have been flagged as an "approved lossy" release on those dead private trackers regardless, as a way of saying: we're aware that the spectrals look funny, but this is how it was officially released (and not the result of a bad transcode or someone ripping their CD-R burned from MP3s) so don't bother trying to trump this upload with a better digital source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumbass Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 cow cud is a twin if you analyse the song title you can see that cow cud = twin who is aphex then? alberto starts with an a aphex starts with an a alberto balsalm = aphex cow cud is = twin aphex twin is a band confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jejunum Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I think the whole thing was recorded to 32 kHz DAT so rolls off steeply at 16 kHz. Which would look similar to the typical shelf in MP3 encodes and bad (lossy to lossless) transcodes. This example is technically not lossy compression, but it could have been flagged as an "approved lossy" release on those dead private trackers regardless, as a way of saying: we're aware that the spectrals look funny, but this is how it was officially released (and not the result of a bad transcode or someone ripping their CD-R burned from MP3s) so don't bother trying to trump this upload with a better digital source.Nailed it! Some of the ICBYD bonuses from his Warp site has similar looking spectrals so it’s definitely a 32 kHz DAT thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 re 16k cutoff: i just happened to have rhubarb open with a spectral, and it turns out loads of tracks from saw2 not only cut off above roughly 16kHz, but also have a thin bar of noise/background hum going along that region all the way thru. my rips are from the warp CD. plus, stone in focus on the bleep store has two of these bars, going side by side! (jesus what is my life coming to...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijexx Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Yeah makes sense, DAT slow is 32khz/12bit which gives you a 16khz nyquist limit. And that 12bit flavor sort of gives it a SP-1200 vibe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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