Elon Musk's Starman - Is this shit real wtf

[auxien]

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Perplexed, Sorkin asked, "you don't want them to advertise?"

"No," Musk responded. "What do you mean?" Sorkin asked.

"If somebody is going to try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money? Go fuck yourself," Musk said.

...

Musk responded that the advertising boycott is likely to kill the company. "What this advertising boycott is going to do is it's going to kill the company, and the whole world will know that those advertisers killed the company and we will document it in great detail," Musk said.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/elon-musk-on-x-antisemitism-controversy-dont-advertise-go-f-yourself/

lots of great stuff happening today. Musk just going up on camera in an interview and putting a bullet in Twitter's head. gotta fuckin' love it. he says it like such a pissy little boy too, so proud of himself. fucking weird as hell, that guy.

 

[auxien]

9 hours ago, auxien said:

Musk just going up on camera in an interview and putting a bullet in Twitter's head.

from https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/30/23982242/x-ceo-responds-after-x-cto-tells-departing-advertisers-to-go-fuck-yourself

'...the X community is here to welcome you, and tell you to go fuck yourself. thank you.'

[iococoi]

 

[may be rude]

if elon planned on destroying twitter

• he would have to do it slowly, so it would not be obvious that it was a hit job
• he would scare away the big, verified users, such as by undoing and reversing the functionality of blue checks (making them for anyone who pays, and not authenticating identities) 
• he would empower the malicious users and info operations, such as by unbanning banned accounts
• he would scare away advertisers
• he would gut the staff
• he would dismantle content moderation
• he would act toxic
• he would change its name completely
• he would immediately take twitter private to keep the plummeting value out of public view

taking a company private after it was public is rather rare. elon did it immediately when he took control in october 2022. almost like he knew that he planned on covertly destroying the information platform.

one thing that bugs me is that he attacked CBC and NPR. it's curiously specific, those are 2 of the best journalism outlets in north america. and it's not like they were trolling elon or something. why would they be on his shitlist? subverting good journalism is definitely an objective of global bad actors who might blackmail a tech entrepreneur.

the best excuse i can find for the man is that maybe he's just been scrolling troll replies while he shits for 15 years and they've conquered his brain. influence operations post in the replies to users with a lot of followers.

i couldn't help but notice that he misused the term "blackmail" in his recent public episode. an advertiser boycotting a platform is not blackmail. he bizarrely critiqued his boycotters for "blackmailing him with money." i guess the interpretation is he meant "leverage." who would believe he thinks advertisers bailing on his platform is them trying to leverage him? 

kind of seems like a cry for help

i hope he's just a dumbass.

maybe there's leverage that he couldn't go to law enforcement about. russian intelligence routinely develop agents by systematically getting them more and more compromised. you use a little piece of leverage to get a mark to do something that may serve as a bigger piece of leverage. at first it seems like just doing some business together. soon they're deeply fucked. 

this dude controls insanely dangerous rocket technology. also fleets of surveillance devices on the ground and in space.

Edited December 2, 2023 by trying to be less rude

[logakght]

I think Elon Musk sucks and I would love to see him go away to Mars of something... Kind of getting bored with the media attention this idiot is getting.

[zazen]

On 11/22/2023 at 8:17 PM, ignatius said:

if someone buys a Cybertruck from tesla and tries to sell it during the first year of ownership tesla will sue you and can refuse to sell you a car in the future.

Not going to argue with most of what you said and this is just a minor point but:

Cars that are in demand or rare do sometimes have resale restrictions, e.g. here's an article about John Cena getting sued by Ford for selling on his Ford GT supercar before he was supposed to. The waiting list for cybertruck is supposedly long and production will be slow at first, so they probably wanted to stop people flipping them for a profit. Anyhow they have now removed that clause after all the scary headlines got written about it.

Cybertruck has now launched, costs $60k to $100k, production will be slow. Here's an early Marques Brownlee review, here's a Cybertruck racing a Porche 911 while towing a Porche 911. Not really my cup of tea but innovation is a gamble. Cybertruck obv a bit of a niche/experimental product, Tesla are working on a smaller/cheaper version of the Model 3 sometime in the next few years.

[ignatius]

6 hours ago, zazen said:

Not going to argue with most of what you said and this is just a minor point but:

Cars that are in demand or rare do sometimes have resale restrictions, e.g. here's an article about John Cena getting sued by Ford for selling on his Ford GT supercar before he was supposed to. The waiting list for cybertruck is supposedly long and production will be slow at first, so they probably wanted to stop people flipping them for a profit. Anyhow they have now removed that clause after all the scary headlines got written about it.

Cybertruck has now launched, costs $60k to $100k, production will be slow. Here's an early Marques Brownlee review, here's a Cybertruck racing a Porche 911 while towing a Porche 911. Not really my cup of tea but innovation is a gamble. Cybertruck obv a bit of a niche/experimental product, Tesla are working on a smaller/cheaper version of the Model 3 sometime in the next few years.

that makes sense.  seems like a bit of hysteria. 

the 3 motor one is fast in same way the other teslas are.  i've driven several of the sedans and they drive nice and are fast but i hate that 99% of controls are in the screen. 

i think the cybertruck is pretty ugly but i bet they sell a lot of them in the short term. time will tell. i'm curious if truck people will take to them. i'm sure some will but modern pick ups aren't exactly farm trucks. 

i've seen a bunch of the other more standard looking electric trucks around portland. just another SUV really. 

as for racing.. yeah.. anyone can go fast in a straight line. the writing is on the wall though. for combustion engines. it'll be some time though and it's hard to imagine things like the 24 hours of les mans or 24 hours of daytona.. or 12 hours of sebring etc.. being run with EVs. in time i guess. battery assist is already in the top classes for those races i just mentioned but it's an extra thing.. not the main power source.  but the Formual E and Indy E series started a couple years ago. they're fast but the races are short. 

battery tech will surely change and evolve. hopefully they get lighter and not as explosive. the road maintenance is already ridiculous w/all the big 4x4 trucks here in america.. tesla Model S sedans are like 5000 lbs or something which is what many trucks way or more than what trucks way.  

infrastructure is gonna need even more looking after here in USA... and everywhere else i guess. 

they're already improving the electric super car and it's now possible to buy one. it's ridiculously high performance track car. 

edit: and as long as i'm doing a youtube ev dump.. can't leave this legend out. 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by ignatius

[EdamAnchorman]

The smaller version of the Model 3 could be China-only, as this fuckin country has no appetite for small, economical vehicles.  (VW launched the ID3 (Golf-sized EV) in Europe only, they stuck with the SUV-sized ID4 for America).

EV battery tech is already becoming less explosive with a lot of manufacturers (Tesla) using LiFePO4 batteries, which are not nearly as flammable but are unfortunately less energy-dense and lose more energy in cold weather compared to current gen batteries.  I think that as battery tech advances, we will land on safer options with acceptable energy density.

I mean if you really think about it, with sufficient charging infrastructure in place the ideal EV would be one that has a range of 150 - 200 miles and can recharge to 80% in 5 - 10 minutes.  Drive for a few hours, stop for 5 minutes, fully charged, drive for a few hours to the next stop.  How many times have you really had to drive 400 miles without stopping?

To illustrate this point a little, I recently drove a Chevy Bolt EUV from NJ to OH.  At my first charging stop, I was next to a Ford F-150 Lightning which charges 3 times faster than my car.  However, because the F-150 is much less efficient it needs to have a much bigger battery which takes longer overall to charge.  I was in and out of there before he was even ready to go to the next charger even though I was charging at 33% of the speed he was.

[ignatius]

2 minutes ago, EdamAnchorman said:

The smaller version of the Model 3 could be China-only, as this fuckin country has no appetite for small, economical vehicles.  (VW launched the ID3 (Golf-sized EV) in Europe only, they stuck with the SUV-sized ID4 for America).

EV battery tech is already becoming less explosive with a lot of manufacturers (Tesla) using LiFePO4 batteries, which are not nearly as flammable but are unfortunately less energy-dense and lose more energy in cold weather compared to current gen batteries.  I think that as battery tech advances, we will land on safer options with acceptable energy density.

I mean if you really think about it, with sufficient charging infrastructure in place the ideal EV would be one that has a range of 150 - 200 miles and can recharge to 80% in 5 - 10 minutes.  Drive for a few hours, stop for 5 minutes, fully charged, drive for a few hours to the next stop.  How many times have you really had to drive 400 miles without stopping?

To illustrate this point a little, I recently drove a Chevy Bolt EUV from NJ to OH.  At my first charging stop, I was next to a Ford F-150 Lightning which charges 3 times faster than my car.  However, because the F-150 is much less efficient it needs to have a much bigger battery which takes longer overall to charge.  I was in and out of there before he was even ready to go to the next charger even though I was charging at 33% of the speed he was.

for combustion engines the EPA rules make it very difficult to make small cars. but there is an appetite for them. it's just smaller than the "gotta have the biggest thing ever to go to the grocery store and make my peener appear bigger" crowds. 

it's all pretty dumb. this video illustrates the dumb EPA rules clearly.  there are still some small cars here but they're all foreign imports. 

 

[EdamAnchorman]

Not trying to disagree with you, but by and large I don't think there's an appetite for small cars in America.  Perhaps in certain cities, but not across the country.

Car & Driver says these are the best selling vehicles in America in 2023:

1. Ford F-Series (573,370 units sold)
2. Chevy Silverado (403,403 units sold)
3. Ram Pickup (332,440 units sold)
4. Toyota RAV4 (302,831 units sold)
5. Tesla Model Y (284,500 units sold, estimated)
6. Honda CR-V (262,351 units sold)
7. Toyota Camry (217,975 units sold)
8. GMC Sierra (216,227 units sold)
9. Nissan Rogue (211,091 units sold)
10. Jeep Grand Cherokee (182,871 units sold)

[ignatius]

11 minutes ago, EdamAnchorman said:

Not trying to disagree with you, but by and large I don't think there's an appetite for small cars in America.  Perhaps in certain cities, but not across the country.

Car & Driver says these are the best selling vehicles in America in 2023:

1. Ford F-Series (573,370 units sold)
2. Chevy Silverado (403,403 units sold)
3. Ram Pickup (332,440 units sold)
4. Toyota RAV4 (302,831 units sold)
5. Tesla Model Y (284,500 units sold, estimated)
6. Honda CR-V (262,351 units sold)
7. Toyota Camry (217,975 units sold)
8. GMC Sierra (216,227 units sold)
9. Nissan Rogue (211,091 units sold)
10. Jeep Grand Cherokee (182,871 units sold)

yeah.. the pick up trucks are the best selling vehicles for years now.

that video shows why it makes more financial sense for companies to make pick ups bigger rather than smaller. there's a formula EPA demands that fucks everything up based on overall wheel to wheel length and gas mileage targets. it's easier to meet standards on bigger trucks than it is on smaller trucks. 

the ford ranger in the 80s and 90s was a big seller as were the imported smaller pick up trucks. the new models of those trucks now are the size of the larger trucks back in 80s/90s. so a new 2023 ford ranger is as big as a ford f150 from the 90s. everything got bigger... some of this is the EPA rules and some is people wanting bigger cars.. 

but we won't really know how well smaller pick ups would do since they don't make one. also, there's a lot of construction people and farmers etc who would like a simple work truck with a big bed but truck beds have gotten smaller and the cabin of the trucks has gotten bigger... more doors, more seats etc.. 

people in america seem to buy a car/truck based on it being the perfect thing for that one time a year when they go buy an xmas tree or need 12 bags of mulch. the rest of the year they drive around in it by themselves feeling secure that if they do indeed need to tow a boat up a 6% grade they will be able to do it even though that scenario is not at all likely for most people driving them.

there are people who do need them of course.. putting a couple horses in a trailer and driving from one ranch to another.. or hauling a thing they use every day to do their job. 

i do hope cities, states etc start charging congestion taxes more in america and also throw a tax on overweight vehicles. 

[ignatius]

wtf is the truck bed for? oh right.. can't put rocks in the pick up truck bed.. it'd get scratched up and that would ruin the resale value.. they only do stuff like that in commercials. 

[vkxwz]

On 6/3/2023 at 10:22 PM, taphead said:

Ah yeah that's totally a fair approach, I can't resist getting jokes in where I can, but yeah you don't wanna just assume that everyone will open up. Though I do think there are existing things out there that can provide insights like https://genderdysphoria.fyi/en but even with the breadth, it still is just one source so it may not cover all experiences, but it is at least informed by some firsthand experiences.

I'm down to talk a bit about my own experience as well, I'm planning on writing something a bit more in-depth very soon, so this is actually a good opportunity to get a rough draft out for some of that.

I only recently began transitioning, started taking hormones about a year ago. I'd come to the conclusion that it was what I needed to do in February of 2022. It's like I was waiting for the moment that would be the worst timing possible, since that was shortly before the huge furor over Lia Thomas kicked up, and it feels like that marked the point where a lot of people decided they would absolutely never shut the fuck up about how they're mad that transgender people exist.

So I mentioned earlier that I was 11 when I realized I was trans. I was 36 when I gave myself permission to pursue it. I spent 25 years repressing. I don't think a lot of people who aren't transgender realize exactly how powerful the cultural forces that encouraged repression were in the 90s and 00s.

Do you remember Quack Pack? It was a 1996 cartoon that Disney did for television, updating Donald Duck's nephews for modern sensibilities. They were cool teens now, and could have plausibly skateboarded. In the first episode, they got super powers, the nephew that wore blue got the super powered brain, head all big. The other ones had strength and speed, or something like that. The three boys split up to do some superhero business, blue boy sees that a plane is crashing and decides to save the day by possessing a stewardess, so that he can land the plane. The joke being that he doesn't know how to land a plane, and they still crash. The speed powered brother shows up and discusses his own adventure, and asked how it went for blue boy. He responds with "I found out what it's like to be a woman" (because he possessed a stewardess). He looks quite shaken by this. His brother looks at him and makes a "wtf?!" face and dramatically back away, a great distance. This is how I know that I knew I was trans when I was 11, because I remember feeling shitty after seeing this. It's funny to revisit the clip now 

Like it seems silly to say this is such a significant thing for me, especially since this video is on a fetish youtube account full of body swap content, for ppl to jack their dicks off with. But it really did establish an understanding in the broader culture that reverberated back thru my memories of the first Ace Ventura movie, and forward into Jerry Springer and the high prominence of "chicks with dicks" in 90s internet porn. I understood that is not something that is compatible with a normal life and relationships, that this belonged to a fringe subculture that I wasn't cool, rich, or sexual enough to ever be a part of, and the reminders were non-stop and could appear in anything.

Because it's not like there was something that triggered this. It just came along with the ride on puberty, like "hey yeah, everything that's happening is wrong, but there's this other way, not gonna happen for you but it's actually everything that should be happening. Everything that is happening to you adds something bad while simultaneously taking you away from what's right". And so then on top of that, it's like "oh yeah and also everyone hates that you are this, even tho it doesn't hurt anyone, it's just offensive that you could think to do this".

I spent some time feeling horrible. I guess it was convenient that middle school was available so I could have a delineated space to be emotionally unstable. But eventually, I figured out an approach that got me thru the day to day, an embrace of a concept that I called "gender dissonance". I wasn't aware of the term gender dysphoria at all, it's sort of connected, but it's like I wanted to use that dysphoria as a part of a male identity, treat it like the noise in noise rock. I would be a failure of a man, but aggressively, knowingly, so that it would still somehow work out to be masculine. It never really involved direct femininity, it was dealing more with the specific areas where the absence of masculinity, for a man, becomes femininity, even tho it's a negative value, it's not actually the posession of something.

I probably need to sit down and figure it out how to explain that part better. But like, you know how there's dipshits online who try to act like they're being kind when they tell trans people to just not be trans, and accept their body as it is? I was like their model citizen! I found a way to make the male gender sort of work for me. Fortunately, I was still able to be happy for the trans people who came into greater prominence in the 10's. I was like "well that's just not possible for me".

There's some people out there who, as part of their repression, will be really fucking transphobic online. Because that way, you know you can't come out, because you know how shitty people would be to you. Glad that's not me, looks miserable!

I've seen this trope in some video games, where when they really want to fuck with you, they'll invert your controls so that left goes right, and up goes down. You can get used to it but it's still extra taxing on the brain. That's what it felt like to live, even with this identity I'd crafted for myself, like I was still going through all of this extra work to come out normal. I didn't actually realize all the ways that living like this was impacting me. I was living entirely in the moment because I didn't really care about a future for myself. I didn't realize that it was possible to see myself and feel good without the use of alcohol.

I transitioned so that I could free up all that mental effort that I was wasting on hiding the fact that I was trans. Especially since I realized the only people who benefitted from this effort were assholes! But yeah honestly the gender stereotype stuff kind of helped me prolong the repression. There's so many bullshit expectations on women, almost like capitalism stole parts of the gender and expects us to buy it back, while masculinity is allowed to be a bit more innate. Not to say that there's no pitfalls on the male side, I've seen it, it's rough. But I was able to use this idea that it'd be cheaper to stay put, and build up some paper thin walls that I respected for longer than I should have.

I do enjoy the clothing options that are available to me, but it's more like now I actually care about my visual appearance, where I didn't really at all before. And I just feel more comfortable with everything that the hormone swap has done for my mind and body. I don't think I'm really going to do too well with many of the stereotypical stuff, but I think I'll still get by comfortably enough. So yeah at least for me, that kind of stuff has not really been what I'm after.

Sorry for writing so much lol

The fucked up part is that there's so much more ground to cover...

Thanks for the write up, really interesting to read and I'm glad you feel so much better now. It seems like your experience is centered around feeling that people hated the changes that were happening to your body, and that those changes were wrong in some way. I'm not sure what you were referring to here though: "it's just offensive that you could think to do this", is this about wanting to transition? And do you have ideas about why you felt negatively about the changes?

On 6/3/2023 at 12:43 PM, zlemflolia said:

your views are from talking to people with gender dysphoria? interesting how you reached the opposite conclusions of what most people with it say then..? if you know nothing, you are a blank slate, and shud take my word for it.  just do some basic intro reading and follow sources below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender

from wikipedia I've gotten:

Gender identity is the personal sense of one's own gender

Gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of being a man, woman, or other gender identity

A man is an adult male human

A woman is an adult female human

so when I plug it all together I get

Gender identity is the personal sense of one's own social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of being an adult male human, adult female human, or other gender identity

which has a bit of a circular definition, so I'm not sure what the deal is here

Edited December 7, 2023 by vkxwz

[taphead]

3 hours ago, vkxwz said:

I'm not sure what you were referring to here though: "it's just offensive that you could think to do this", is this about wanting to transition? And do you have ideas about why you felt negatively about the changes?

Oh that post was very much in the 'first draft best draft' type of thinking, and this quote is a good example of why that kind of thinking is wrong. Because it is very unclear!

That quote is meant to be my understanding of "society's voice", the majority position of disgust over any amount of corruption in the sex assigned at birth and lack of adherence to gender roles. I've even seen people on the pro-transgender side of things say shit like "if someone has ever had doubts about their gender, they can't be cisgender, they're at least non-binary". It's like in the first Resident Evil movie when the cgi british child is explaining how zombie virus is transmitted and says "one bite, one *scratch*", like all it takes is one little bit of queerness and you're permanently corrupted. I feel like that pressure is extreme for straight cisgender men already, but let me tell you, it's even greater when you're secretly transgender.

 

But yeah, things are personally great for me, I went to the surgeon and said "I want you to take my balls... off", like the way Nicholas Cage did in Face Off. And since I had insurance and a therapist wrote a letter saying I was cool, they did it. It turns out a lot of my gender dysphoria was stored in the balls, and it's been pretty amazing to see how people get to live without that weighing them down.

Edited December 7, 2023 by taphead

[ignatius]

macho truck people memes are beginning

[EdamAnchorman]

Aww fuckin' shucks, y'all

[cichlisuite]

Saw a review of the cybertruck on yt and I have to say I would never own this thing, even if you gave it away for free
so many weird quirks that try to be edgy and reinvent stuff
i can't stand the all-controls-are-on-touch-screen, even for opening the fucking glove box for pete's sake, wtf?!
and build quality looks terrible

[EdamAnchorman]

19 minutes ago, cichlisuite said:

Saw a review of the cybertruck on yt and I have to say I would never own this thing, even if you gave it away for free
so many weird quirks that try to be edgy and reinvent stuff
i can't stand the all-controls-are-on-touch-screen, even for opening the fucking glove box for pete's sake, wtf?!
and build quality looks terrible

Everything you just said here could also be said about the Model 3 and Model Y.

[o00o]

Musk really managed to make twitter look like a dumpster fire when opening the app

[decibal cooper]

[decibal cooper]

On 12/10/2023 at 6:58 PM, Summon Dot E X E said:

Jones on Tucker's X show was interesting

Some people hate Jones for whatever reason. I mean he does say some truly outlandish shit but I get big time Dale Gribble and Dr. Lawrence Jacoby vibes from him, and I love those dudes.

 

[zero]

5 hours ago, decibal cooper said:

Some people hate Jones for whatever reason. I mean he does say some truly outlandish shit but I get big time Dale Gribble and Dr. Lawrence Jacoby vibes from him, and I love those dudes.

if Jones was a fictional character like Jacoby, then yeah, it'd be easy to see him as an amusing zany kook. but unfortunately for the planet, he is in fact real, and spews some of the most hatemongering conspiratorial bigoted garbage online, or on whatever media platform he can push his way onto. sadly, there are way too many people in this country that buy into the bullshit he dishes out, and he thrives on it. therefore he is no Dr. Jacoby. he is actually taken seriously by a chunk of the population, and a threat to peace. he is one of the modern era whackos actively pushing for humans to turn on one another, do hateful shit to each other, all in the name of making Alex Jones as rich as possible...and so for that, yeah, some people are gonna hate Jones for "whatever" reason. 

[decibal cooper]

16 minutes ago, zero said:

if Jones was a fictional character like Jacoby, then yeah, it'd be easy to see him as an amusing zany kook. but unfortunately for the planet, he is in fact real, and spews some of the most hatemongering conspiratorial bigoted garbage online, or on whatever media platform he can push his way onto. sadly, there are way too many people in this country that buy into the bullshit he dishes out, and he thrives on it. therefore he is no Dr. Jacoby. he is actually taken seriously by a chunk of the population, and a threat to peace. he is one of the modern era whackos actively pushing for humans to turn on one another, do hateful shit to each other, all in the name of making Alex Jones as rich as possible...and so for that, yeah, some people are gonna hate Jones for "whatever" reason. 

my brother in Christ, I fear that you may be a casualty in an info wars. Please join us instead so that we may defeat these globalists!

Joking aside, I disagree a little bit with what you say. I haven't listened to too much of his content: mainly that Tucker interview and also the X spaces interview a few days ago where Elon Musk dropped by and was talking to him (oh, and his interview with Kanye West from like a year ago). I also have seen clips of him over the years. I did not see or hear him saying anything that was hateful, although I am not discounting the possibility that he has done so, just that I have not heard it. He also is pretty consistently anti-war, so I feel like describing him as a threat to peace is not accurate. He definitely does sell snakeoil type products on his website, but according to him that is the only option that he has for advertising revenue. No one else would ever hire him to do advertising after he was removed from all social media. If idiots hear his message and use it as a means to support their own racism or any other bigotry (so long as he is not actively playing into that) then it is definitely a bad thing but is not his fault. In that X spaces interview from a few days ago he explains what happened regarding the Sandy Hook incident. Musk also confirmed that he was removed from Twitter (before Musk bought it) for insulting a CNN journalist. He said that this was literally what was on the log for his removal from the platform, that he insulted a journalist, and he was also removed from pretty much all platforms and it is not clear that he broke any laws that would merit being removed from literally all mainstream platforms.

[ignatius]

24 minutes ago, decibal cooper said:

my brother in Christ, I fear that you may be a casualty in an info wars. Please join us instead so that we may defeat these globalists!

Joking aside, I disagree a little bit with what you say. I haven't listened to too much of his content: mainly that Tucker interview and also the X spaces interview a few days ago where Elon Musk dropped by and was talking to him (oh, and his interview with Kanye West from like a year ago). I also have seen clips of him over the years. I did not see or hear him saying anything that was hateful, although I am not discounting the possibility that he has done so, just that I have not heard it. He also is pretty consistently anti-war, so I feel like describing him as a threat to peace is not accurate. He definitely does sell snakeoil type products on his website, but according to him that is the only option that he has for advertising revenue. No one else would ever hire him to do advertising after he was removed from all social media. If idiots hear his message and use it as a means to support their own racism or any other bigotry (so long as he is not actively playing into that) then it is definitely a bad thing but is not his fault. In that X spaces interview from a few days ago he explains what happened regarding the Sandy Hook incident. Musk also confirmed that he was removed from Twitter (before Musk bought it) for insulting a CNN journalist. He said that this was literally what was on the log for his removal from the platform, that he insulted a journalist, and he was also removed from pretty much all platforms and it is not clear that he broke any laws that would merit being removed from literally all mainstream platforms.

the sandy hook thing is enough to justify him being wiped from the internet mainstream.  he lost in court because he caused all kinds of harm to grieving parents for a long time.. to the point of them being endlessly harassed by alex jones listeners and yelled at.. saying their kids were crisis actors or didn't exist and didn't die.. like showing up at their houses to yell at them..  he lied for ratings and money which in itself isn't unusual in america or anywhere really.. but he insisted sandy hook was fake and attacked people (parents who's children were murdered) using his platform. 

he's a shitty grifter at a minimum... and at worst he caused idiots to go get in the faces of those who'd lost everything that mattered to them and managed to take their grief and replace it with bile. 

he's no harmless buffoon or clown. he's got malice in his actions and used the suffering of other people to get ratings, clicks and sell shitty supplements.  he's a bastard.

regarding breaking laws... he lost in court. it was proven he caused harm. slander.. libel etc.. you can look up the details of the case.. i recommend finding multiple sources since some will color it as no big deal and others will equate him to the worst person in the universe. 

behind the bastards did a few light episodes on him and did some updates regarding his case over the years "what's new with alex jones" eetc. 

Edited December 12, 2023 by ignatius

[taphead]

The stuff that comes up in this deposition that shows how he encouraged beliefs in viewing the Sandy Hook parents as crisis actors and having people on the show giving out addresses seems like a good reason to hate him

Like even if its a situation where "he's just voicing these peoples concerns and the reasons that they think these people are crisis actors" or whatever, it still seems pretty detestable for someone to be finding a way to profit off the situation

Edited December 12, 2023 by taphead