Brexit :(

[BCM]

remaining at this point would just be fucking annoying. i cant even deal with having to read brexiteer media frothing at the mouth at how its a flagrant insult to the will of the people for the next fucking 5 years, and blaming every single bad thing that happens to britain on remaining. i want no deal now, just so we have a chance at reform.

yeah it really wouldn't be half as annoying as the country facing massive financial decline, huge job losses, the poorest becoming even poorer and russia having even less reason to stop breaking international law and using weapons of mass destruction in another sovereign territory.

 

there would be no reform from brexit other than a loosening of regulations, worse employment laws and less money for 99% of the population.

 

to believe anything else at this point is wilful ignorance.

 

also, don't read brexiteer media perhaps?

Edited March 19, 2019 by BCM

[Soloman Tump]

pressure would be brought to bear on any dissenting member states

 

The EU superstate with its throat hold grab on the struggling countries within, who try to cling on to any thread of money or political leverage that they can.

 

Reports of impending EU-wide recession keep cropping up, remain is better for the EU

[Soloman Tump]

 

remaining at this point would just be fucking annoying. i cant even deal with having to read brexiteer media frothing at the mouth at how its a flagrant insult to the will of the people for the next fucking 5 years, and blaming every single bad thing that happens to britain on remaining. i want no deal now, just so we have a chance at reform.

yeah it really wouldn't be half as annoying as the country facing massive financial decline, huge job losses, the poorest becoming even poorer and russia having even less reason to stop breaking international law and using weapons of mass destruction in another sovereign territory.

 

there would be no reform from brexit other than a loosening of regulations, worse employment laws and less money for 99% of the population.

 

to believe anything else at this point is wilful ignorance.

 

also, don't read brexiteer media perhaps?

 

 

Is the BBC brexiteer media?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47622415

 

If unemployment is down again, unemployment laws will remain as they are (or even be strengthened), and a return to British Standards (or an adapatation of current EU law)

 

Sorry if I am willfully ignorant, I am a glass half full kinda guy. 

Our country will not descend into some Mad Max style feudal state where we are scavenging for supplies. Things will of course change, and no doubt not all for the best.  I voted REMAIN in order to keep the boat from rocking, but we are leaving so lets deal with it.

 

 

PS I hate discussing all this brexit batshit, especially on messageboards

 

[Soloman Tump]

For example, back in 2016, Credit Suisse forecast we would have 7% unemployment by now thanks to Brexit, where in fact we are below 4% by todays figures.

 

The problem with forecasting is that its all a gamble with smoke and crystal balls.

We really don't know whats going to happen.
Weather forecasters cannot always accurately tell you what happened yesterday, let alone next week.

[BCM]

All this "EU is the enemy" narrative needs to stop. We're all part of a union, and its purpose is to obviously improve and benefit the member states, both financially and politically. The EU, and everything that comes with it is nothing to be scared of, and it is not The Enemy (of "The People" or the member states). It is not perfect, and I do believe some reform is needed - let's all work together to improve things. Throwing our toys out of the pram and storming out isn't the way.

 

Terms like "throat hold" etc are disingenuous and not helpful. The EU is, and will continue to be a force for good and positive change in the world. I say again - it is not perfect and could do with some obvious reform (e.g. the whole decamping to Strasbourg thing), but overall is a very positive and lucrative organisation for the members.

Edited March 19, 2019 by BCM

[Soloman Tump]

The EU is it's own enemy.  Needing unanimous voting for any decision puts vast pressure (as you have already pointed out) on the "smaller" economic countries who wish to try and exert their own opinions.  And if they step out of line, well, austerity is still being applied and could be recalculated.....

 

I don't think we would be "storming it" if we left with no deal.  We tried to get a deal through, we tried negotiating, the EU have said they will not negotiate any further.  A lot of our MPs do not like the deal that was got.  I think Maybot did a good job of getting ANY deal together from the EU, even if its not perfect.

 

The EU obviously do not want to appear weak or too flexible otherwise it could signal others wishing to leave soon.  I wonder who would be next?

[caze]

looks like May has asked for an extension and won't be trying to force through a 3rd vote now. that hasn't completely closed the door on another vote on her deal, as it's possible the extension she asks for might include a 'get out' clause to allow for an early exit by June, allowing her time to try and get another vote. how long the delay will be if it's longer than June is up for debate though, rumours the Tories may implode if she tries to get one that's too long (2 years was one suggestion), might bring down their own govt to force May out, something closer to 9 months is probably more likely.

 

 

Is the BBC brexiteer media?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47622415

 

 

 

we haven't left yet.

[caze]

The EU is it's own enemy.  Needing unanimous voting for any decision puts vast pressure (as you have already pointed out) on the "smaller" economic countries who wish to try and exert their own opinions.  And if they step out of line, well, austerity is still being applied and could be recalculated.....

 

I don't think we would be "storming it" if we left with no deal.  We tried to get a deal through, we tried negotiating, the EU have said they will not negotiate any further.  A lot of our MPs do not like the deal that was got.  I think Maybot did a good job of getting ANY deal together from the EU, even if its not perfect.

 

The EU obviously do not want to appear weak or too flexible otherwise it could signal others wishing to leave soon.  I wonder who would be next?

 

Needing unanimous voting doesn't put vast pressure on smaller countries at all, it does the opposite, it gives them far more power than they would otherwise have. It prevents the likes of France and Germany imposing their will on the rest of the EU. Austerity was only applied when countries required bailing out, it's never been used as a means of political control, nor could it be. For example, Ireland doesn't want to harmonise it's tax rates in the EU, and it's tough shit to France there's nothing they can do about it, and even though Ireland had to have budgetary oversight from the EU after the bailout, it was not able to use this to pressure Ireland to changing its position on anything. If a country doesn't want to be forced to apply strict budgetary oversight it shouldn't run it's economy into the ground, and even if it does it still doesn't have to request a bailout, the EU only has any power to do anything if the country gives it to them.

[dingformung]

Weakening the EU is irresponsible considering that without it there is no real force in the world that could be a counterbalance of democracy and peace to imperialist powers like China, Russia or the US.

[pcock]

 

remaining at this point would just be fucking annoying. i cant even deal with having to read brexiteer media frothing at the mouth at how its a flagrant insult to the will of the people for the next fucking 5 years, and blaming every single bad thing that happens to britain on remaining. i want no deal now, just so we have a chance at reform.

yeah it really wouldn't be half as annoying as the country facing massive financial decline, huge job losses, the poorest becoming even poorer and russia having even less reason to stop breaking international law and using weapons of mass destruction in another sovereign territory.

 

there would be no reform from brexit other than a loosening of regulations, worse employment laws and less money for 99% of the population.

 

to believe anything else at this point is wilful ignorance.

 

also, don't read brexiteer media perhaps?

 

im obviously not being completely serious, but can you imagine the potency of that as a scapegoat for decades to come? and as far as none brexiteer media goes, mainstream media basically all is. youve got the mirror, the independent, the guardian maybe, but statistically well over 70 percent of all newspapers in britain are further right than the centre. i only read newspapers to see what is being printed, i prefer to get my news from sourced blogs, but i think im in the minority of people in the uk. its a lose/lose situation in every possible way now. 

Edited March 19, 2019 by messiaen

[worms]

Daily mail is a remain paper

Owners are remain

[mcbpete]

Daily mail is a remain paper

These must've just be small typos then ....

 

 

 

[caze]

Paul Dacre used to be the editor of the Daily Mail, he's a hard-brexiteer (and a massive cunt). They've toned it down a bit since he left late last year, but they're still very much pro-brexit.

[Soloman Tump]

Daily mail is a remain paper

Owners are remain

leave means leave tho

[worms]

Paul dacre quit, true story

Type this in google for more infos

Geordie Greig remain

Edited March 19, 2019 by worms

[cwmbrancity]

Weakening the EU is irresponsible considering that without it there is no real force in the world that could be a counterbalance of democracy and peace to imperialist powers like China, Russia or the US.

Thread answered along with goDelboy’s observations

 

Caveat - EU def needs reform, unfortunately that degree of foresight wasn’t quite grasped by the political establishment this side of the great rivers of salt, but lobby groups & cunts like the ERG have exploited it to the max

 

Whatever your opinions on the author, Will Self called a collective of cunts a “punnet”, entirely apt for this country currently. 2 decades of austerity would only enhance the appeal of fringe political groups and that’s sketchy enough

 

Personally an extension of Article 50 with both main parties here dropping their low hanging fruit leadership, some kind of consensus is reached in the fallout and we get the fuck on with things, but let’s face it that’s not a given by any stretch

[Amen Warrior]

Yesterday I exchanged contracts on a flat in a poshish part of London, for well over £100K less than what the vendor was originally asking for. I THINK the reason is Brexit, I don't think there are any other obvious factors, other than my prodigious negotiating skills of course.

Completion date is 29th March lol.

So I've either played a blinder or made a fucking stupid decision, the deciding factor will be whether we leave with no deal and it totally fucks the housing market.

My thought is if that happens people just won't sell.

Fingers crossed for Brextension and eventual Bremain

[beerwolf]

Yesterday I exchanged contracts on a flat in a poshish part of London, for well over £100K less than what the vendor was originally asking for. I THINK the reason is Brexit, I don't think there are any other obvious factors, other than my prodigious negotiating skills of course.

Completion date is 29th March lol.

So I've either played a blinder or made a fucking stupid decision, the deciding factor will be whether we leave with no deal and it totally fucks the housing market.

My thought is if that happens people just won't sell.

Fingers crossed for Brextension and eventual Bremain

 

Watmm posh flat warming party?

[Soloman Tump]

Shoes off and slippers on

[Amen Warrior]

Yea which of my three small rooms shall we party in? One has an 'open plan' kitchen in it which is when they put a kitchen in your lounge and is obviously the height of luxury according to all estate agents

[Guest]

Yesterday I exchanged contracts on a flat in a poshish part of London, for well over £100K less than what the vendor was originally asking for. I THINK the reason is Brexit, I don't think there are any other obvious factors, other than my prodigious negotiating skills of course.

Completion date is 29th March lol.

So I've either played a blinder or made a fucking stupid decision, the deciding factor will be whether we leave with no deal and it totally fucks the housing market.

My thought is if that happens people just won't sell.

Fingers crossed for Brextension and eventual Bremain

Congratulations.

I bought a house with my partner just over 2 months ago. We got it loads cheaper than asking price pretty much because the vendor wanted to sell before brexit.

A few of our mates think we should’ve waited until after brexit when “all the houses will be cheaper” and we’ll end up with negative equity.

Our thoughts are that no one will want to sell after brexit because they’ll lose money too.

[caze]

probably depends a lot where you are. london prices less likely to take a nosedive.

[goDel]

 

Weakening the EU is irresponsible considering that without it there is no real force in the world that could be a counterbalance of democracy and peace to imperialist powers like China, Russia or the US.

Thread answered along with goDelboy’s observations

 

 

[cwmbrancity]

Might be an example, I guess. But this is something all countries in the EU seem to struggle with. Regardless of political colour, btw. Even the governments which favor business, so to speak, tend to favor national businesses over foreign businesses. And although there is some law - I'm not a specialist! - there seem to be a lot of grey area. Or perhaps, governments pushing the limits of those laws. There's probably also a lot of laws protecting people against foreign businesses taking over national functions. So it works both ways.

 

Often, EU law is very different to, say US "free market capitalism" laws, for example. Typically, there's more law protecting people against negative "free market" consequences. Socialist policies which wouldn't fit within these laws have to be pretty extreme, I believe. Which would be more extreme than say, implementing a basic income.

 

somewhere between the 2 quotes was the crux, too long to explain fully

 

[dingformung]