2020 US Election

[ignatius]

23 minutes ago, Nebraska said:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-launches-sneaker-line-rcna139334

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the woman who ran up on stage is the topper. it still amazes me how they see him as a god and savior and honest business man. 

[exitonly]

1 hour ago, ignatius said:

the woman who ran up on stage is the topper. it still amazes me how they see him as a god and savior and honest business man. 

i dont think 1000 pairs is going to cover what he owes

[Rubin Farr]

5 hours ago, exitonly said:

i dont think 1000 pairs is going to cover what he owes

“Trump Sneakers & Fragrances are intended for individual enjoyment and not for investment purposes.”

[Hi Guys]

I am at a total loss…this is horrific. I don’t know. Maybe I’m just mad cuz the gold shoes are sold out.

 

and wasn’t elons jet somewhere around maralago within the last day or two? Is he gonna bail out t and buy truth social and some of those classified d’s or what? 

[iococoi]

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[ignatius]

the cost before adding the bit T and the american flag. 

[Nebraska]

On 2/18/2024 at 1:03 AM, Rubin Farr said:

“Trump Sneakers & Fragrances are intended for individual enjoyment and not for investment purposes.”

 

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People in Trump’s Philadelphia audience were holding signs exclaiming, “Sneakerheads Love Trump.” Some, yes — the majority of Black footwear aficionados, no. Sneakerheads spend $100 or more on shoes and they typically buy three or more pairs each year, according to a recent consumer report. They tend to be millennials, male, and disproportionately Black. They’re likeliest to reside in large urban contexts.

Trump’s sneakers debuted in America’s sixth-largest city, where Black people comprise the single-largest racial group. They’re 40.1% of Philadelphians. Will we find lots of hot ‘Never Surrenders’ in predominantly Black neighborhoods across the City of Brotherly Love?

Price point definitely isn’t the biggest reason why Trump’s sneakers will never make their way into many Black people’s closets. Irrefutably, $399 is quite pricey for a pair of high tops. But as Robyn Mowatt noted in a recent Essence article, “Consumers are willing to pay any amount to be the first person to have a coveted release – this is why the normalization of $300 sneakers will persist.” While Black women and Black genderqueer persons sometimes spend this much money on a pair of kicks, it has long been Black men who’ve contributed most lopsidedly to the enormous profits of Nike and Adidas.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaunharper/2024/02/18/where-to-find-donald-trumps-hot-new-sneakers/?sh=2f7fc2c56a2c

"The average sneakerhead (not in school) makes $46k a year and spends $314 a month on sneakers. $46k a year clears about $3k a month." 

 

[ignatius]

fox gonna fox. 

[Nebraska]

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In 2021, MyPillow founder Mike Lindell offered $5 million to anyone who could disprove his claim that he had data showing voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election. If someone could “Prove Mike Wrong,” as the challenge was called, and show the data was unrelated to the election, they would get the payout, Lindell said ahead of an August 2021 “cyber symposium” held in South Dakota where contestants would review the files.

Robert Zeidman, a computer forensics expert who voted for Trump twice, did just that, a federal judge in Minnesota determined Wednesday, upholding a previous ruling from a private arbitration panel. Zeidman is owed the $5 million payout plus interest, Judge John Tunheim wrote in his Wednesday ruling. The decision is the latest development in a years-long effort to claim the prize, after Zeidman found that the data was not related to the 2020 election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/02/22/mike-lindell-election-dispute-decision/

10 months ago:

he also owes fox about 8 million but that's a story for another day

[ignatius]

https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1761134403260961227?s=20
 

BREAKING: The New York County clerk has just entered the judgment signed by Justice Engoron, which means Donald Trump has 30 days to come up with over $454,156,783.05 plus $87,000 interest daily to appeal. If not, Letitia James can start seizing his properties.

[auxien]

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At the Young Republican mixer Friday evening a group of Nazis, who openly identified as national socialists, mingled with mainstream conservative personalities, including some from Turning Point USA, and discussed race science and antisemitic conspiracy theories.

One member of the group, Greg Conte, who attended the Unite the Right Rally in Charlottesville, said that his group showed up to talk to the media. He said that the group was prepared to be ejected if CPAC organizers were tipped off, but that never happened.

Another, Ryan Sanchez, who was previously part of the Nazi Rise Above Movement, took photos and videos of himself at the conference with an official badge and touted associations with Fuentes.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nazis-mingle-openly-cpac-spreading-antisemitic-conspiracy-theories-fin-rcna140335

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/02/23/jack-posobiec-cpac-remarks-democracy-cnc-vpx.cnn

all said with that 'ha ha we are definitely just joking ha ha, this is not the actual goal of course ha ha' tone that somehow counts as a dogwhistle these days

[iococoi]

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Donald Trump's fraud trial debt tracker.

https://trumpdebtcounter.com/

$464,890,518.10

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[Walter Ostanek]

16 hours ago, auxien said:

all said with that 'ha ha we are definitely just joking ha ha, this is not the actual goal of course ha ha' tone that somehow counts as a dogwhistle these days

You never know whether it's irony-poisoning or whether the irony is always a facade (fascade?) from the beginning.

Either way, when fascists tell you that they want to do fascist stuff, believe them. Because if they can, they will. That goes for the Trumpeteers, the Putin-lovers, Modi, Orban & dozens of others.

[may be rude]

i listen to sarah longwell's focus group podcast and trump voters are all buying a trick from 2016. the "political outsider champion of the people" idea. that's been a ridiculous idea since 2017. 

it's absurd: trump stands up for no one but himself, he's famously a narcissist. he's known to espouse a philosophy of admiring deception and greed, and having contempt for honesty and selflessness. he's known to say things like "troops are suckers."

the "outsider" narrative is always bogus because as soon as you're running for office you're a politician. that's just by the definition of the word. 

and then: he's the billionaire yet working people think he is standing up for them against the rich? somehow trump has landed this deceit. it's an inversion of reality: trump pandered to the rich and was extremely corrupt. 

doing things for the people? there's not much people can say he did for them. he inherited obama's good economy and tanked it.

he tried to take the most profound thing away from people, freedom from tyranny. democracy is a fragile experiment of collective self-goverment in a hostile universe, he tried to collapse that. that's what he did for the people.

it's interesting that this lame trick from 2016 is what's driving most voters who would reinstall this compromised demon that threatens to destabilize the world as we know it. this is how low-information voters are. it's like they haven't received new information since the 2016 campaign? it's true that a lot of people aren't getting a lot of information. but also information that the fascist collective don't want people to believe gets phase inverted. fallacious narratives are deployed to make people less likely to believe the true thing. that's why it's as though trump doesn't conspire with putin, didn't abuse power and didn't try to overthrow democracy, for a lot of people. true information is systematically dismantled in people's minds by the weird collective of actors subverting reality in the modern information ecosystem.

somehow, after all the counter-narratives cancel out, what's left for trumpers is believing his schtick: that "outsider champion of the people" character that he transparently cons people with.

Edited February 26 by trying to be less rude

[decibal cooper]

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[Satans Little Helper]

1 hour ago, trying to be less rude said:

i listen to sarah longwell's focus group podcast and trump voters are all buying a trick from 2016. the "political outsider champion of the people" idea. that's been a ridiculous idea since 2017. 

it's deeply absurd on its face....etc

that's a rather long rant to say you don't understand trump voters.

that's fine though. but remember, if you'd actually understand them, you wouldn't be writing posts like this. (please note that understanding and agreeing are two very different things)

 

[may be rude]

8 hours ago, Satans Little Helper said:

that's a rather long rant to say you don't understand trump voters.

that's fine though. but remember, if you'd actually understand them, you wouldn't be writing posts like this. (please note that understanding and agreeing are two very different things)

 

i identified the core of trump's political support and laid out a compelling, strong, well-supported argument illuminating that core as obviously a con

 

it was wordy. i tried to edit it down

Edited February 26 by trying to be less rude

[EdamAnchorman]

1 minute ago, trying to be less rude said:

i identified the core of trump's political support and laid out a compelling argument that dismantles it 

I think what Satans Little Helper is saying is that it seems like the lion's share of Trump voters don't care about facts.  They don't care about what's true and what's not true.  Your dismantling argument would have almost no effect on them.

IMO, hardcore Trumpers are deeply selfish, first and foremost.  My theory that conservatism is built on the bedrock of selfishness stands beside this, but these people are selfish to the n-th degree.

Many of them also feel they have been screwed by the system.  They are low-income earners, and they blame their lot in life on "the system".  Then someone charismatic comes along who is truly outside that system.  Sure, your argument does show how, technically, Trump is not an "outsider" by some metrics, but you have to admit he is an outsider in that he is playing the game his way.  His voters don't care what way that is or how he does it, they just care that someone is screwing with the system in ways that are novel.  And they will support that no matter what.  They will disregard facts (easy for deeply selfish people), and vote for him just to fuck with the rest of us who are trying to play the game within the previously established rules.  It probably wouldn't matter if it was someone other than Trump, as long as it was a super-charismatic leader who does nearly everything in a selfish way while fucking with the system his/her own way.

Try and get into the mindset of someone like this, someone who is supremely selfish and feels like they have been screwed / held down by the system.  Then read your argument back to yourself.  Has almost no effect.  All they care about is that someone who acts / feels like they do (or like they aspire to) is getting into power and screwing with a system that they despise.

[may be rude]

33 minutes ago, EdamAnchorman said:

I think what Satans Little Helper is saying is that it seems like the lion's share of Trump voters don't care about facts.  They don't care about what's true and what's not true.  Your dismantling argument would have almost no effect on them.

 

i'm talking about listening to trumpers talk about why they like trump. maybe i could distinguish between those who may vote for him and those who actually like him. probably some people may vote for him in 2024 even though they don't like him. that's a good distinction to make. 

33 minutes ago, EdamAnchorman said:

Many of them also feel they have been screwed by the system.  They are low-income earners, and they blame their lot in life on "the system".  Then someone charismatic comes along who is truly outside that system. 

right. he's a demagogue. a charlatan. a con man. 

33 minutes ago, EdamAnchorman said:

His voters don't care what way that is or how he does it, they just care that someone is screwing with the system in ways that are novel.  And they will support that no matter what.  They will disregard facts (easy for deeply selfish people), and vote for him just to fuck with the rest of us who are trying to play the game within the previously established rules. 

this is really interesting. you're describing a demagogue becoming a tyrant, as the founders feared. his voters think he is being disruptive in a benevolent or acceptable way, because they are buying into the false schtick that i described, and don't realize that he is destructive like cancer.

and you're right, that is part of the draw: people like that he is something different and that he is fucking with things. but their perception of that destruction is colored by that schtick i describe, which is false. lending credence to the idea of that fake character he claims to be is what prevents people from seeing his destruction as the cancer that it is.

33 minutes ago, EdamAnchorman said:

Try and get into the mindset of someone like this, someone who is supremely selfish and feels like they have been screwed / held down by the system.  Then read your argument back to yourself.  Has almost no effect.  All they care about is that someone who acts / feels like they do (or like they aspire to) is getting into power and screwing with a system that they despise.

you say "all they care about is someone who acts/feels like they do" and that is the same idea my argument aims to dismantle. trump is not the champion of the people, he doesn't feel like they do. trump despises the people. he's tricked them into thinking that he is like them. he is nothing like regular americans and he is not acting like they would. he's a sociopath and is manipulating people into thinking that he is like them. 

Edited February 25 by trying to be less rude

[ignatius]

trump is obviously exactly like jesus, but smarter. he wouldn't have been crucified. he's too smart and charismatic for that to happen to him. people are saying that. 

[Satans Little Helper]

1 hour ago, EdamAnchorman said:

I think what Satans Little Helper is saying is that it seems like the lion's share of Trump voters don't care about facts.  They don't care about what's true and what's not true.  Your dismantling argument would have almost no effect on them.

 

yup. thx.

and also, trump voters have their own truth. just like the rest of us. it's rather simple really. and it has little to do with logic. or rather, a different one.

 

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Trump voters don't care about your facts.

it's cynical, but it is what it is.

@trying to be less rude you can facepalm me all you want, but again, you can't talk trump voters out of it. it's like a crazy cult. quite literally.

Edited February 25 by Satans Little Helper

[EdamAnchorman]

53 minutes ago, trying to be less rude said:

his voters think he is being disruptive in a benevolent or acceptable way, because they are buying into the false schtick that i described, and don't realize that he is destructive like cancer.

... lending credence to the idea of that fake character he claims to be is what prevents people from seeing his destruction as the cancer that it is.

you say "all they care about is someone who acts/feels like they do" and that is the same idea my argument aims to dismantle. trump is not the champion of the people, he doesn't feel like they do. trump despises the people. he's tricked them into thinking that he is like them. he is nothing like regular americans and he is not acting like they would. he's a sociopath and is manipulating people into thinking that he is like them. 

I think the really hardcore Trumpers don't think he is being disruptive in a "benevolent" way. They hate the system and don't care if it is damaged. This voting bloc likely has never or rarely voted in the past, which is why the polling missed them in 2016.

I think it's important to say that a lot of these people want to change what they see as "the system" and they don't care if it is done in a violent way. See Jan 6th.

Again, I don't think these people feel tricked. As far as they see it, just by fucking with the system like he is and will continue to do, he is fighting for them. Doesn't matter that he's a billionaire. Doesn't matter what he says about them.  Doesn't matter if his policies directly benefit or hurt them in the immediate term. If he's helping to destroy the system, he's for them.

 

Edited February 25 by EdamAnchorman
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[zero]

poor Nikki Haley. she's toast - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/25/haley-path-nomination-impossible-00143205

she at least came off as sane, which is rare these days in the R party.

now the in-house challengers are out of the way, the R's can all hail the orange clown. rally round the king of the con. the shredder of sanity. the reality star guru, who can barely answer a simple question. donnie boy just drifts merrily along, following the dao of some primal snake oil instinct. he accidentally became president. it was done half-jokingly. the result was he pulled off the biggest grift the world has ever seen. can he do it again? will grandpa Joe stroke out before November? will donnie be in jail? lmao! stay tuned!

oh yeah. someone should probably change the thread title to 2024 US train wreck / dumpster fire / shit show / clown car / dude I'm so high right now / Jesus fucking christ / resurrection / erection / election

[auxien]

1 hour ago, zero said:

change the thread title to 2024 US train wreck / dumpster fire / shit show / clown car / dude I'm so high right now / Jesus fucking christ / resurrection / erection / election

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