UK General Erextion

[cwmbrancity]

kin ell like

 

[Soloman Tump]

Tory landslide imminent.

Corbyn will have to go on June 9th.

 

(Apparently)

[drome]

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[BCM]

you fackin' plonker

[IOS]

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this post made the whole forum lean to the left

[drome]

you fackin' plonker

Dinlow

[drome]

 

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this post made the whole forum lean to the left

Hope not, need STRONGANDSTABLE

[Soloman Tump]

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[Dale]

oi m8, we need a strong and stable government for us plebs

[drome]

oi m8, we need a strong and stable government for us plebs

Yeah! We need prosperity right now!

[drome]

 

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Bangingdonkonit? Yes please, sounds sexy.

[usagi]

try a weak and unstable government for a change, might do yer good.

[drome]

try a weak and unstable government for a change, might do yer good.

Did I upset the hive? Let's be serious now, strong and stable government = prosperity. We're singing from the same hymn sheet old bean.

[drome]

maximum profit = maximum welfare, everybody knows this.

America is the perfect example of this.

[caze]

but honeslty on this situation, you prefer the fact that our railway system is 75 percent owned by other countries national rail companies? so our citizens pay fares of which the profit goes to actual seperate EU countries?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/18/foreign-state-owned-railway-british-train-companies-revenue_n_8003970.html

 

and corbyns policy of renationalising it and keeping the profit for ourselves seems ludicrous?

 

I'm not against nationalising rail in principle, as railways are natural monopolies it's quite difficult to actually create a properly functioning market for them. Having said that, the history of public ownership of the rail system in the UK isn't particularly encouraging. The current system, while hardly perfect, is nowhere near as bad as what came before. I don't see why it matters where the profits go, they provide a service, if they can make a profit while doing so fair play to them. If they're not providing an adequate service then the government should be able to enforce rules to ensure they do or they don't get paid, if that doesn't happen the solution is to create a system that does do that, not nationalise everything.

 

Royal Mail is a totally different question, the entire concept of mail itself is an anachronism that won't be around for much longer, all that'll be left is package delivery, which isn't anywhere close to a natural monopoly. It would be a massive waste of money for literally no benefit.

 

The energy sector is somewhere between the two in principle, but nationalising seems like a bad idea there as well, energy prices obviously haven't been perfectly optimised by the UK energy market, but mostly that's down to external factors from the global market, and nationalising wouldn't solve that problem, the public end up paying either way. At least the current system allows for the possibility of savings, in times when the external circumstances are suitable.

[cwmbrancity]

one of my favouritest of favourite fish & chip outlets anywhere, seriously its the fkn tits, popped up in typical Guardian bs appraisals of the Lib-Dems relationship to SW England

 

you dont have to be olde and disabled to eat there, but it helps......

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/16/somerset-can-the-lib-dems-flourish-after-tim-farron-leaves-the-stage

[Dale]

 

but honeslty on this situation, you prefer the fact that our railway system is 75 percent owned by other countries national rail companies? so our citizens pay fares of which the profit goes to actual seperate EU countries?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/18/foreign-state-owned-railway-british-train-companies-revenue_n_8003970.html

 

and corbyns policy of renationalising it and keeping the profit for ourselves seems ludicrous?

 

I'm not against nationalising rail in principle, as railways are natural monopolies it's quite difficult to actually create a properly functioning market for them. Having said that, the history of public ownership of the rail system in the UK isn't particularly encouraging. The current system, while hardly perfect, is nowhere near as bad as what came before. I don't see why it matters where the profits go, they provide a service, if they can make a profit while doing so fair play to them. If they're not providing an adequate service then the government should be able to enforce rules to ensure they do or they don't get paid, if that doesn't happen the solution is to create a system that does do that, not nationalise everything.

 

 

Rail fares have increased by 56% since 2006

Enough said.

[caze]

why do you think that is? what have passenger numbers done in that time for example? what was the state of the rail network that the private companies inherited, what was their capital investment to sort it out?

if you look into it in detail the picture is a lot more complicated than a single measure of average price increases. many lines are much cheaper than they would have been, adjusting for inflation. on other lines where prices have gone up by more than inflation for regular tickets, season tickets have often stayed tied to inflation. for the lines where there have been price increases there are multiple reasons, demand is the main one - passenger numbers have increased dramatically since privatisation so the cost would have increased regardless, another big reason is that peak prices are regulated, the rail companies can't increase prices more than inflation, so the cost is shifted to unregulated routes/times instead. there's also the fact that tickets are often a lot cheaper if you book in advance (and in many cases significantly cheaper than before privatisation), and headline figures I've seen about price increases don't factor that in.

 

There's no doubt rail privatisation was a big success, revenues are up, passenger numbers are up, there are more services running, they are being run far more safely and reliably overall, and there's far more flexibility in terms of fares. The system is under enormous strain though (and every now and then it affects the reliability of certain lines, though before the reliability of all lines was poor, all the time), if it was still under government control that strain would still be there, but no doubt the whole thing would be far less competently run.

 

There are probably plenty of ways you could improve the system though, regulations should be tweaked to even out the pricing a bit, it should be easier to book multiple legs on different networks without accidentally paying more than you need (you have to spend a bit of time checking and double checking various journeys to get the best prices online). There's also still a lot of investment needed into the network to keep up with passenger numbers, as well as improving intercity access, that's a requirement before you start thinking about what would be needed for the government to nationalise everything - so even if it made practical sense to nationalise (and it doesn't), it certainly doesn't make economic sense given the current economic outlook.

[caze]

this is far more likely to actually raise some money than increasing income tax on the super-rich (who'll just find ways to avoid paying like always), or raising corporation tax (which will only help with the post brexit exodus of economic productivity):

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/17/liberal-democrats-1bn-tax-legalising-cannabis

[Tricone RC]

When I joined the Prison Service in 2006 they were still using Windows95 and something that looked like a weird mashup of DOS and Teletext as a prisoner database.

That's surprisingly normal in big institutions though, my wife works at a top-tier Canadian university and they still use some bullshit DOS-based system for administrative stuff

 

It's far less to do with lack of funding (not sure if anyone here was thinking that tho), and far more just the fact that the longer a system is established, the more expensive and time-consuming it becomes to transition away from it. It is funny when you end up working with a system that was first set up before you were born though

[doublename]

lol

[Nebraska]

this cannot be real: theresa may wants to create a new internet controlled and regulated by the government

[pcock]

corbyn is absolutely obliterating may in this campaign. calm, reserved and cutting remarks on the shambolic tory track record and completely uncosted manifesto. how anyone can watch him speak, read his manifesto and still want to vote tory is beyond me. its as simple as the difference between right and wrong. 

she still is too scared to even debate him. when was the last time we had a PM who couldnt even turn up to a debate with the opposition at election time?

[pcock]

registering to vote had the council tax debt collection people round in less than three days though *facepalm*

[caze]

so you want everyone to pay more tax, but you don't want to pay your council tax?