Silent Member Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 That front page is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hello spiral Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Someone in chat rightly pointed out the bullet points would make a bitchin' Grindcore album tracklist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 flol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blir Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Someone in chat rightly pointed out the bullet points would make a bitchin' Grindcore album tracklist LOL, very Anal Cunt-esque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcock Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 so, im hearing a lot of patter about this allegiance with the DUP putting into jeapordy the whole irish peace agreement situation. anyone more enlightened than me have any insight? i was a touch young for having any idea about the troubles and ive never actually heard of the DUP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hello spiral Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They seem like a charming bunch Sammy Wilson, East Antrim: Another former finance minister in the Northern Ireland Assembly, this 64-year-old courted controversy in 2016 when he was recorded allegedly agreeing with a member of the public who said “get the ethnics out”. He denied the claim. David Simpson, Upper Bann: A Free Presbyterian, he has voted against same sex marriage stating: “In the garden of Eden it was Adam and Eve it wasn’t Adam and Steve.” Gregory Campbell, East Londonderry: Received notoriety for mocking the Irish language during a meeting of the Assembly. He has supported bringing back the death penalty in the case of mass murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 so, im hearing a lot of patter about this allegiance with the DUP putting into jeapordy the whole irish peace agreement situation. anyone more enlightened than me have any insight? i was a touch young for having any idea about the troubles and ive never actually heard of the DUP. The Good Friday Agreement requires the ministers of the Stormont assembly be made up from the largest parties from both communities, what's known as the power sharing executive, with the First Minister being the leader of the party who won the most seats, and the Deputy First Minister being the leader of largest party of the other community, cabinet members are also split between the two parties. In the last NI election that was the DUPs Arlene Foster as First Minister and Sinn Fein's Michelle O’Neill as Deputy First Minister, but they couldn't come to an agreement to set up an executive (due to a corruption scandal involving the DUP, among other things), and without the support of both parties the whole thing collapses, necessitating either fresh elections, or the return of direct rule from the UK parliament. So the principle of the agreement is that both communities are protected when it comes to powers devolved to the assembly, the UK parliament is obviously still in control when it comes to certain issues, but either of the parties can't ram anything through on a local level without the consent of the other, and the UK Govt needs to be neutral in such matters. We currently have a situation where there is no executive in place (but the devolved institutions are still in place, being run by the civil servants), talks on resolving the issues were put on hold due to the general election, and there's now a deadline of June 29th to sort everything out. If they can't sort it out and form an executive there doesn't seem to much desire for another election, so that'll mean direct rule from the UK again, and with the DUP involved in an agreement to prop up the Tory government that might see them have undue influence over policies which previously would have been the remit of the power sharing executive, which would at a minimum go against the principal of the GFA, if not the letter of the law. If that comes to pass, and the DUP try and bring in legislation that they wouldn't have been able to before, then the Nationalists (and non-aligned parties, like the Alliance party) will start kicking up a stink. I don't think it'll mean a return to violence any time soon, but it could mean an end to the GFA (maybe SF would go back to more directly campaigning for reunification or something). Hopefully what'll actually happen is that the talks will be successful, and the executive is restored, in which case the UK government won't have to directly pass any legislation for NI, so it won't matter so much that the DUP are propping up the Tories. And seeing as there will be no formal coalition between them, the DUP won't have any influence on other aspects of the GFA (like the British-Irish council). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcock Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 thanks for the summary. i actually have no clue with regard to irish politics, obviously the umbrella situation of north to south UK union stuff ive been aware of my adult life, but ive never taken the time to actually explore it extensively, unlike scotland where ive resided for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghsotword Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 wrong hand cable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iococoi Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echolalia Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Those morphing images fuel my cynicism for politicians even more. Truuuuuust in me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 That cabinet. What a joke. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerwolf Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Yeah it's one massive major exasperating fuck up on a grand scale, can't believe the UK is in such a dire mess with even more dire people in charge of sorting it out The only thing worth smiling about is Alex Salmond losing his seat to a Tory. Flol. I detest that man rather passionately (not his politics but his smug, arrogant, charmless, patronising, pig of a personality). A true cunt of a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Worse than Boris, gove, may, Davis...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerwolf Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Worse than Boris, gove, may, Davis...? Yep And that's my watmm political views done for six months, I'm outta here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I like Salmond, he really annoys the English, which is good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreOceans Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Voter turnout among 18-24 yo was 72%, which is probably why Labour did so well. Hopefully they will keep turning up when there is another vote, when the inevitable new election is up after the May led coalition has a meltdown. Unfortunately this 72% statistic seems to be plucked out of the air http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40220032 That being said I do remember hearing somewhere that a lot of the Labour swing votes were in areas with increased turnout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I like Salmond, he really annoys the English, which is good enough for me. why don't you like the english? bit prejudice isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Do you really want a list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerwolf Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I'm half Irish, half English, don't give a monkeys about saluting flags though there are 5 medals hanging on the wall where my Grandfather put his neck on the line in North Africa and the Middle East in WW2 for scroats like myself. So I guess if push come to shove I'd like to think I would do the same. Salmonds politics don't bother me (it's hardly a revelation that the Scots want independence) he's just a very smug, sanctimonious, humourless, toad of a man. And in all the mess we seem to be in, him losing made me grin. A lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 the f is wrong with these people https://www.facebook.com/BBCPolitics/videos/1826281787388671/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwmbrancity Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Salmond & Sturgeon's trouncing was long overdue, although the Scots effectively keeping Tory govt in Westminster has to be the irony of all ironies I like Salmond, he really annoys the English, which is good enough for me. why don't you like the english? bit prejudice isn't it? its called a siege mentality, the English havent really had that collective experience grounded into their collective memories so empathy is tricky since the end of the empire the tide has slowly turned a bit the other way, hence why English actors frequently get cast as evil naysayers the secret is to assimilate behind enemy lines like i did for a couple of decades, work out what makes The English tick and then launch it back at them in choice sporting moments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 the English are fine...just a slither of the demograph that ensures cntishness is perceived as a norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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