2020 US Election

[brian trageskin]

1 hour ago, Zeffolia said:

communist revolution right now, abolish private property, abolish jobs, abolish money

to a new glorious era for mankind 

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

 

[zlemflolia]

based greta

obligatory fuck tankies tho

[dr lopez]

pretty sick wiki article

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Land_Reform

[goDel]

My "detect Russian trolls" algorithm exploded after crunching this thread. Welcome to US politics, I guess. 

Here's some extra shit to get some nutters triggered: Chomsky explaining why you should always vote for the lesser evil

 

[zlemflolia]

24 minutes ago, dr lopez said:

pretty sick wiki article

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Land_Reform

when youre stuck in feudalism then skip capitalism and aim straight for communism but accidentally land in fascism

[marf]

A dem president probably won't get much done if the partisan politics of gridlock continues. You'd have to be very savy about timing. People said to wait on Obama care but he went forward and it helped people. In a climate of total obstructionism. 

[may be rude]

warren is no snake and no corporate shill. really wondering about the info streams consumed by some of you. she's the best candidate since barack. only disinfo is blinding people to it. 

Edited January 16, 2020 by very honest

[may be rude]

just learned about the audio from the end of the debate, when warren wouldn't shake hands with bernie. it's pretty amazing. warren confronts bernie for calling her a liar on national tv. bernie retreats like oh shit. 1 minute in:

i thought the split screen of this moment in the debate, in which the warren/bernie thing is broached, made warren look good.

 

background for those not following closely:

• warren and bernie met ahead of deciding to campaign, in Dec 2018, at warren's DC condo.
• recently word leaked that bernie had expressed doubt that a woman could win. 
• after the media started reporting this hear-say, warren released a statement herself, to state herself how she remembered it:

i wonder if there was some ambiguity in the actual Dec '18 exchange. like bernie asked "do you think a woman can win" and she said "yes" and he said something like "i don't know". in this realistic scenario, she would be correct to describe him as having disagreed, and he would be correct to say he did not say a woman could not win.

the sentiment, which is a misconception that a woman may be at an electoral disadvantage, is a factor in the decision making of primary voters. democrats want a candidate who will beat trump. 

there's this weird thing that happens where someone who is not bigotted will hesitate to support a candidate because of the bigotry of others. it serves to amplify and enable the effect of bigotry. in the warren campaign they are aware of this sentiment, and it is disconcerting because it is plainly not true. Hillary won popular vote by 3 mil, 2016 was tossed by Cambridge Analytica, Putin, and Comey, etc.

to me, it's believable that something like the conversation occurred in that dec '18 meeting, in which warren invited bernie to her condo because they overlap in political following and both wanted to run. bernie had pushed for warren in 2016 and only announced himself running in 2016 after warren declined. i find it incomprehensible that warren could manufacture this. she is a genuine person. it's to be expected that she would mention bernie espousing this sentiment to someone else, eventually.

a lot of people get caught in this subtle shade of bigotry. i caught myself saying outloud "do you really think mayor pete could win, he's gay." i reflected on it afterward and realized that it is a strange dynamic in which someone who is not strictly bigotted can, in effect, reinforce bigotry. it's a dynamic worth pointing out.

it's not hard to believe that bernie could have expressed something like this idea. there is absolutely no reason warren would be sworn to secrecy about this ugly notion bernie voiced. she mentioned it to someone and word got out. this whole thing just illustrates and reinforces, for me, that warren is sharper and more on top of things than sanders.

Edited January 16, 2020 by very honest

[joshuatxuk]

9 hours ago, Zeffolia said:

based greta

obligatory fuck tankies tho

some harassed a local DSA candidate a couple days ago, were protesting the "farce of voting" or some shit

[auxien]

agree with pretty much everything you said there very honest. just not interested in trying to trade bullshit with Berniebros here or elsewhere. I like Bernie, I like Warren, I like Pete (a little) and I like some others enough. not sure any of them have a real good track to beating Trump tho, honestly Biden might be best for that. I truly hate to admit that possibility but it is real. 

[may be rude]

warren got a college scholarship for debate. she holds her own in debates, even when people are coming at her. she demonstrates a quality of thoughtful presence that i don't see in any other candidate. bernie shouts messaging. biden butchers messaging. pete figures out what people want to hear in real time. klobuchar vibrates about how she can do it. yang thinks UBI is why he is good on climate change. warren is the only one who seems to be internalizing what it is to lead the US right now.

i wonder if bernie's ties to the word socialist would be poison in the general. it seems like most people voting GOP are doing so because of the safety-net vs sink-or-swim idealogy. also a lot of dem voters are susceptible to being swayed right based on it. bernie just flies the white flag on that. if he could win some trump supporters, it may be offset by GOP voters mobilized against a socialist, and dem voters chilled by the idea of electing an all-out socialist.

Edited January 16, 2020 by very honest

[dr lopez]

bernie has large independent voter base support. warren has none of that. that alone is worth it.

[cwmbrancity]

As much as I’d love to see a gentleman like Bernie in office, can’t see it happening precisely because of his socialist credentials. Ironic given how much disposable income is doing the rounds, just google how much Yanks spend on their dogs sorry cats annually.

Too much money to be made with puppet alternatives at hand. If he did get in could easily envisage an assassination.

Good luck doe. Ultimate fuck you if Trump was a one-term president.

[dingformung]

It's not wishful thinking to say that Sanders has the best chances of all candidates including Trump at the moment.

[zlemflolia]

2 hours ago, very honest said:

just learned about the audio from the end of the debate, when warren wouldn't shake hands with bernie. it's pretty amazing. warren confronts bernie for calling her a liar on national tv. bernie retreats like oh shit. 1 minute in:

i thought the split screen of this moment in the debate, in which the warren/bernie thing is broached, made warren look good.

 

background for those not following closely:

• warren and bernie met ahead of deciding to campaign, in Dec 2018, at warren's DC condo.
• recently word leaked that bernie had expressed doubt that a woman could win. 
• after the media started reporting this hear-say, warren released a statement herself, to state herself how she remembered it:

i wonder if there was some ambiguity in the actual Dec '18 exchange. like bernie asked "do you think a woman can win" and she said "yes" and he said something like "i don't know". in this realistic scenario, she would be correct to describe him as having disagreed, and he would be correct to say he did not say a woman could not win.

the sentiment, which is a misconception that a woman may be at an electoral disadvantage, is a factor in the decision making of primary voters. democrats want a candidate who will beat trump. 

there's this weird thing that happens where someone who is not bigotted will hesitate to support a candidate because of the bigotry of others. it serves to amplify and enable the effect of bigotry. in the warren campaign they are aware of this sentiment, and it is disconcerting because it is plainly not true. Hillary won popular vote by 3 mil, 2016 was tossed by Cambridge Analytica, Putin, and Comey, etc.

to me, it's believable that something like the conversation occurred in that dec '18 meeting, in which warren invited bernie to her condo because they overlap in political following and both wanted to run. bernie had pushed for warren in 2016 and only announced himself running in 2016 after warren declined. i find it incomprehensible that warren could manufacture this. she is a genuine person. it's to be expected that she would mention bernie espousing this sentiment to someone else, eventually.

a lot of people get caught in this subtle shade of bigotry. i caught myself saying outloud "do you really think mayor pete could win, he's gay." i reflected on it afterward and realized that it is a strange dynamic in which someone who is not strictly bigotted can, in effect, reinforce bigotry. it's a dynamic worth pointing out.

it's not hard to believe that bernie could have expressed something like this idea. there is absolutely no reason warren would be sworn to secrecy about this ugly notion bernie voiced. she mentioned it to someone and word got out. this whole thing just illustrates and reinforces, for me, that warren is sharper and more on top of things than sanders.

it's pretty clear that it's manufactured or taken out of context, bernie has been pro-woman-president for decades and at most he made a statement regarding the status of the voter base and nothing regarding his personal feelings

[zlemflolia]

4 hours ago, very honest said:

warren is no snake and no corporate shill. really wondering about the info streams consumed by some of you. she's the best candidate since barack. only disinfo is blinding people to it. 

bernie has been a democratic socialist since back when warren was a republican.  she's not the best candidate since obama she's a liberal who bootlicks the bolivian coup

[goDel]

Couple of lovely pieces over at 538 on sanders/warren:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-why-the-warren-sanders-fight-may-help-warrens-chances-in-iowa/

added bonus

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-sanders-vs-warren-battle-is-really-about/

[Braintree]

 

[zero]

Will be interesting to see what Obama does if Bernie continues surging. I know he said previously that he will come out of hiding and into the spotlight again in order to stop Sanders if it looks like he would get the nomination...

[auxien]

1 hour ago, Braintree said:

 

lol Berniebros are this year’s MAGA idiots

[Braintree]

1 hour ago, auxien said:

2 hours ago, Braintree said:

 

lol Berniebros are this year’s MAGA idiots

Troll detected.

[auxien]

^not trolling, i'm quite serious. the Berniebros out there are getting dangerously close to that MAGA-style cult mentality. i'm not saying you're one of them, but go spend a couple minutes looking through that account and tell me they're not

[TubularCorporation]

6 hours ago, Zeffolia said:

it's pretty clear that it's manufactured or taken out of context, bernie has been pro-woman-president for decades and at most he made a statement regarding the status of the voter base and nothing regarding his personal feelings

Didn't Bernie Sanders literally decline to make a run in 2015/16 and suggest that Warren should run, then start his own campaign after she decided not to run herself?

[ignatius]

35 minutes ago, auxien said:

^not trolling, i'm quite serious. the Berniebros out there are getting dangerously close to that MAGA-style cult mentality. i'm not saying you're one of them, but go spend a couple minutes looking through that account and tell me they're not

they're not alone in their cult-bro status. there were some loud internet voices in 2016 being bernie bro idiots. perhaps half of them were bots. 

anyway.. there's pleny of people already saying "yang or no one" and stuff like that.. people who will do dumb shit like write in their preferred candidate in the general election if their candidate isn't the one to get the nomination. it's some kind of pissant protest for weenies. anyone will be better than trump for people on the left. even if it's a centrist (which i hope it isn't) but sometimes people just have a kind of nose blindness to logic when it comes to shit like this. 

[Lada Laika]

3 hours ago, auxien said:

lol Berniebros are this year’s MAGA idiots

This has been true since 2016. Bernie bros have always been the inverse of the MAGA chuds.