Russia is now bombing Ukraine

[may be rude]

1 hour ago, zlemflolia said:

8 hours ago, trying to be less rude said:

sounds like we agree that stalin signed a non-aggression pact with the nazis

so did france and england

false, asshole

 

you just want to paper the thread with crap

 

conjure some whataboutism or another fallacy, now, to try to confuse people about murder by lying scoundrels

 

you cynical self-servers think you're wizards for tricking people, but you're just pretending to be real people. you're fucking actors. you chose the wrong path in life. the human project is about communicating real information so individuals help each-other. you fucking genius deceivers are leeches on the society you depend on and you're so deluded you have no idea what you're even doing

Edited January 12 by trying to be less rude

[ignatius]

 

[cwmbrancity]

On 1/12/2024 at 8:08 PM, zlemflolia said:

so did france and Britain, mister big brain

 

[ignatius]

this is kinda a trip

 

 

[ignatius]

 

[Hugh Mughnus]

I almost broke my promise to myself to not be inflammatory on this board lol so I hid my comment promptly. But not surprised to see comrade activist zeff still doing his thing. 

[auxien]

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The European Union has reached a deal to include 50 billion euros ($54 billion) in funding for Ukraine in its budget for the next three years. The agreement came surprisingly quickly after Hungary, long opposed, reversed its stance.

The money will help Kyiv keep its economy running in 2024 and sustain essential services such as health care, social protection and pensions.

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/01/1228316748/eu-ukraine-aid-hungary-orban

very good news for Ukraine’s long term ability to stay afloat while being invaded by a lunatic. obv no one wants it to go on for three more years but if it does they’ve got some safety net $. if they can keep themselves together is another thing, i know there’s some turmoil between Zelenskyy and one of his generals rn. 

[zero]

looks like we're soon going to be treated to a huge word salad of anti-Ukrainian propagandist bullshit from Vlad, thanks to America's #1 patriot Tucker handing a delusional murderous dictator a golden megaphone:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/world/europe/tucker-carlson-putin.html

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In speaking with Mr. Carlson, Mr. Putin would likely be seeking to reinforce that point and seize an opportunity: a chance to reach a potentially sympathetic audience in the United States.

Mr. Carlson, like the Republican presidential front-runner, Donald J. Trump, is skeptical of further American support for Ukraine in its fight against Russia’s invasion, and has embraced Mr. Putin’s efforts to position himself as a global standard-bearer for “traditional values,” like opposing L.G.B.T. rights.

 

 

[Walter Ostanek]

On 1/28/2024 at 10:49 PM, Hugh Mughnus said:

I almost broke my promise to myself to not be inflammatory on this board lol so I hid my comment promptly. But not surprised to see comrade activist zeff still doing his thing. 

fascists gonna fascist. Superficially you'd think it nuts that self-proclaimed leftists would end up copypastaing extreme nationalist, imperialist talking points. But, turns out that Churchill was surprisingly cognizant of dialectics when he said that tomorrow's fascists will call themselves antifascists

[Walter Ostanek]

On 1/10/2024 at 7:49 PM, zlemflolia said:

which by the way is a government instated with CIA backing during 2014 far right coup. 

 

Never met anyone who was there, have you? (know how I can tell?). Also, what makes you assume that anti-Maidan people want to be annexed by russia? Ever spoken to any of them? (clearly not). 

I love how these people think Ukrainians are some kind of magical abstract that they can baselessly wank out any old shit about, rather than actual humans who are refugees in your town right now who you can talk to and learn from (and help!)

On 1/10/2024 at 8:47 PM, zlemflolia said:

palestine is being actively occupied by israel who is funded and armed by the US, explain how this is even remotely a similar scenario

My Palestinian wife and her family think that they're basically the same situation (incidentally, perhaps that fact explains why I didn't post for a few months). Land/resource grab under the guise of the usual supremacist/imperialist gobshite. Anyone who's not a shoe-size-IQ geopolitical hack can see that.

On 1/10/2024 at 7:49 PM, zlemflolia said:

war is not the answer, and being on any "side" except the ukrainian people, who are objectively harmed by the war, is contrary to the true side you should be on, wanting the war to end.

 

How does the war ending relate to continuing occupation, in your books?  (for extra marks please cross-reference this to the Palestinian situation)

On 1/10/2024 at 8:50 PM, zlemflolia said:

bad faith argument, anyway apply that to the people of DPR/LPR that Ukraine was perpetrating civil war against in violation of peace treaties, one of Russia's stated reasons for invading to begin with

Zakarchenko was boasting online about launching raids into Mariupol at the same time as the Minsk talks were going on, and yet according to you everything's Ukraine's fault. You don't know who Zakarchenko was, do you. I can hear you googling him now!

In a similar vein to before, how many people from the "DNR/LNR" do you know? What do you think of the material conditions in the Donbas industrial hubs before and after Girkin's little pogrom adventure, where the capital was flowing and who benefited (and who tortured who in which basements, in order to protect those benefits), etc?

And more generally, what do you think about the other reasons that Putin offered up before the 2022 invasion? As a supposed self-proclaimed leftist, what do you think of Putin throwing Lenin under the bus? And all the stuff about Kievan Rus and the orthodox church - do they seem like sound reasons to invade another country?

[usagi]

Walter Ostanek is bombing Ukraine

[may be rude]

quite dramatic and tragic, the fate of navalny

 

a week after tucker meekly platforms professional deception operative putin for millions of international viewers

Edited February 18 by trying to be less rude

[ignatius]

1 hour ago, trying to be less rude said:

quite dramatic and tragic, the fate of navalny

 

a week after tucker meekly platforms professional deception operative putin for millions of international viewers

he's going around pointing out all the amazing things they have in russia and how much "better" it is. maybe he should stay there. he's doing straight up soviet era propaganda style. 

sorry for hassanbi link but didn't want to like to young turks or tucker channel or majority report or whatever the fuck. 

 

[prdctvsm]

6 hours ago, ignatius said:

maybe he should stay there. he's doing straight up soviet era propaganda style

[ignatius]

3 minutes ago, prdctvsm said:

that's him in america right? on that trip and somehow they talked him into stopping to take a tour and he was overwhelmed by how much americans had access to in the grocery store? 

i think that's how that story went.. and his take away from it was that "we will lose" or something of that character

[zero]

15 hours ago, ignatius said:

that's him in america right? on that trip and somehow they talked him into stopping to take a tour and he was overwhelmed by how much americans had access to in the grocery store? 

i think that's how that story went.. and his take away from it was that "we will lose" or something of that character

that's when he came to Houston in 1989

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/shows/houston-matters/2020/02/21/361467/boris-yelstins-1989-visit-to-a-houston-grocery-store-is-now-an-opera/

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“He toured New York City, he saw the Statue of Liberty, Trump Tower — he wasn’t impressed,” Mack said. “He saw NASA. Again, no big deal. But it was a grocery store that made him realize that communism is a lie.”

 

[iococoi]

kremlins be like

Edited February 21 by iococoi

[Walter Ostanek]

On 2/18/2024 at 7:45 PM, prdctvsm said:

Reminds me of the DNR propaganda vids that show Donetsk city as a happenin' place where you can stock up on groceries and get your car detailed (and yet, incredibly, this is the very same city that they claimed Ukraine govt forces were genociding the locals at the exact same time. But who ever said propaganda needs to be logically consistent?)

 

[chenGOD]

On 2/18/2024 at 7:20 PM, ignatius said:

he's going around pointing out all the amazing things they have in russia and how much "better" it is. maybe he should stay there. he's doing straight up soviet era propaganda style. 

sorry for hassanbi link but didn't want to like to young turks or tucker channel or majority report or whatever the fuck. 

 

Beyond Tucker not understanding basic economic concepts, he also doesn't understand that the sanctions are aimed at the Russian oligarchs and elite facilitating the war: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0650

Tucker admitting that good shit came out of Socialism is fucking mental.

 

Also why the fuck is he standing next to a CHristmas tree in February?

[decibal cooper]

Full article

doubtful that this will have any impact on things, but I really did not like that Nuland woman. She is like a slightly less malign version of Madeleine Albright. Glad she is resigning. War profiteering ass hoe.

[Walter Ostanek]

On 3/5/2024 at 3:12 PM, decibal cooper said:

lol

Full article

doubtful that this will have any impact on things, but I really did not like that Nuland woman. She is like a slightly less malign version of Madeleine Albright. Glad she is resigning. War profiteering ass hoe.

Ah yes Russophobia

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Madame President,

I associate myself with the words of Minister Kuleba and my colleagues from the European Union.

I’m amazed at the tone and the content of the presentation by the Russian ambassador.

And I thought I could be useful by correcting the record. Ambassador Nebenzya has called Kyiv a client of the West. Actually, Kyiv is fighting to be independent of anybody.

He calls them a criminal Kyiv regime. In fact, Ukraine has a democratically elected government.

He calls them Nazis. Well, the president is Jewish, the defence minister is Muslim, and they have no political prisoners.

He said that Ukraine was wallowing in corruption. Well, Alexei Navalny documented how honest and full of probity his own country is.

He blamed the war on US neo-colonialism. In fact, Russia was trying to exterminate Ukraine in the 19th century, again under Bolsheviks, and now it is the third attempt.

He said we are prisoners of Russophobia. “Phobia” means irrational fear. Yet, we are being threatened almost every day by the former president of Russia and Putin’s propagandists with nuclear annihilation. I put it to you that it is not irrational – when Russia threatens us, we trust them.

He said that we are denying Russia’s security interests. Not true. We only started rearming ourselves when Russia started invading her neighbours.

He even said that Poland attacked Russia during World War II. What is he talking about? It was the Soviet Union that attacked Poland together with Nazi Germany on the 17th of September 1939. They even held a joint victory parade on the 27th of September.

He says that Russia has always only beaten back aggression. Well, what were then Russian troops doing at the gates of Warsaw in August 1920? They were on a topographic excursion? The truth is that for every time Russia was invaded, she has invaded ten times.

He says that it is a perfidious proxy war by the West. My advice is – don’t fall into the Western trap. Withdraw your troops to international borders and avoid this Western plot.

He also says that there was an illegal coup in Kyiv in 2014. I was there. There was no coup. President Yanukovych murdered a hundred of his compatriots and was removed from office by a democratically elected Ukrainian parliament, including by his own party, the Party of Regions.

And finally, he is saying that we the West are somehow trying to persuade that Russia can never be beaten. Well, Russia did not win the Crimean War, it didn’t win the Russo-Japanese War, it didn’t win World War I, it didn’t win the battle of Warsaw, it didn’t win in Afghanistan and it didn’t win the Cold War.

But there’s good news. After each failure there were reforms.

Such demagoguery is unworthy of a member on a permanent basis of the Security Council. But what the ambassador has achieved is to remind us why we resisted Soviet domination and what Ukraine is resisting now.

They failed to subjugate us then. They’ll fail to subjugate Ukraine and us now.

Thank you very much.

 

But yeah fuck Nuland for general neoliberal bullshit, tho the coup stuff is just cringe

[decibal cooper]

 

[decibal cooper]

CNN article covering this

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“My question was essentially, ‘What would Russia need to do for the United States to get involved more by either imposing a no-fly zone or putting American boots on the ground? What would be that tipping point that would require that next step, that escalation?’”

“That is a question that I’ve been receiving. … Many people were kind of nervous that the United States might not be doing enough, per say, by not imposing a no-fly zone even though many Ukrainians wanted it,” he said.

Spoiler

 

[decibal cooper]

Live now: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/mar/22/moscow-concert-attack-crocus-city-hall-shooting-russia-live-updates

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Moscow cancels all mass gatherings and strengthens security at airports and stations

Here are the latest updates coming through Reuters on the attacks:

• A second blast was reported at Crocus City Hall near Moscow, IFX reports.

• Moscow has cancelled all the weekend’s mass gatherings, according to its mayor.

• The first wounded victims are already in hospitals across Moscow, IFX reports.

• Security measures have been strengthened at Moscow railway stations, TASS reports.

 

[ignatius]

this guy has interesting insights. first video is from 5 or so months ago. this guy has worked/works in various government positions related to defense, intelligence etc etc.. 2nd video is from 7 days ago

he comes across weirdly i think. people in the comments of the 2nd video taking him to task about some statements he's made about poland and ukraine etc..  so, no idea where to stand w/this stuff. at times sounds reasonable and at times who knows.. if his take on things is accurate in regards to the "why" of it all it makes other things he says even weirder to me. people calling him a "pro putin apologist" etc. which maybe is accurate i don't know. [throws up hands] 

edit: yeah.. fuck this guy.. stuck him in the spoiler to not remove the references to other comments. 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

Edited March 22 by ignatius