Adieu Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Urine ketones are often too transient for testing them to be useful anyway. Better just to not even bother. If you're restricting carbohydrates heavily why even worry about it. Your body will utilize fatty acids to maintain energy metabolism regardless of what you do if carb intake is low. I mention it because a lot of people doing keto drive themselves insane trying to "stay in ketosis" testing their pee constantly. No one seems to have told them that you can piss clean High protein intake will pull you out of ketosis also. No problem. Most notable thing to me is that ketones are showing to possibly be more efficient energy than glucose. So, the people who like to argue that carbs are good cause glucose is the most direct form of energy can shove it. :) I just think of it as a "steady drip" as opposed to the glucose rollercoaster. I think I got this idea from Peter Attia. I remember getting those blood sugar drops, feeling crappy and craving sweet stuff. Now I can just fast until evening if I want and sometimes I don't even think about food. Also I've noticed my pee reeks of ketones lately so I don't even feel the need to test, lol. I've never even noticed my urine smell changing, but in my opinion urine smell is influenced by too many factors for me to rely on it. im in keto too. was 12 stone, now 11 1/4. i could give up meat pretty easy, in fact im looking to buy loads of tofu (fried, yeah!) and chicken quorn bits. i can then just buy loads of curry sauce from the takeaway and have quorn curry with those weird 0% carb rice and noodles etc. i am missing good rice though. and dread the thought of having to limit it. i love rice all day long time fish i might have a problem giving up entirely. Even thinking of sushi is making me hungry. heck i cant even seem to give up my own bad habits, like drinking and smoking. sashimi is just amazingbells hate the cruelty part of it though nice one on the cutting the strips bit, didnt think of that. It's not like you have to give up those things entirely. You can should do carb refeeding every 7-12 days. Personally, when I do high fat my cravings for sugar go to almost zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 im in keto too. was 12 stone, now 11 1/4. i could give up meat pretty easy, in fact im looking to buy loads of tofu (fried, yeah!) and chicken quorn bits. i can then just buy loads of curry sauce from the takeaway and have quorn curry with those weird 0% carb rice and noodles etc. i am missing good rice though. and dread the thought of having to limit it. i love rice all day long time fish i might have a problem giving up entirely. Even thinking of sushi is making me hungry. heck i cant even seem to give up my own bad habits, like drinking and smoking. sashimi is just amazingbells hate the cruelty part of it though nice one on the cutting the strips bit, didnt think of that. Personally, when I do high fat my cravings for sugar go to almost zero. I find for the first 3 or 4 days of low carb/sugar I crave the carbs and feel like I'm in withdrawal. I have trouble focusing and feel extremely hungry all the time. Then after that I feel awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audioblysk Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I used to work in high end kitchens for the better of a decade and it really isn't an option to be a vegan or vegetarian in real high-end restaurants when over half the menu is meats. I eat less meat than when I was in kitchens, but I still enjoy it and cook meat or eat meat for about 2/3 of my meals. I grew up around livestock, a dairy down the way, and a Dad who can barbecue pretty much anything, so while I do have a great disdain for the meat industry, I know that locally raised meat/livestock is not something to be ashamed of, in fact it all contributes to the same circle of sustainability in a well maintained farm. I do however find it ironic that the people I know who have the most piss-poor diets, drink like a fish, consume cigarets and caffeine, and lack of knowledge about how even their tomato grows or where their quinoa comes from are 'vegans/vegetarian/pescatarian/whirling dervish' camp -- and rather militant about it. Not to say you lovely vegans/veggieheads here are like that, just in my personal experience that's how it seems to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adieu Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 personally, when I do high fat my cravings for sugar go to almost zero. I find for the first 3 or 4 days of low carb/sugar I crave the carbs and feel like I'm in withdrawal. I have trouble focusing and feel extremely hungry all the time. Then after that I feel awesome! yeah, if I fall off for like a week or two and then go back, the first weeks painful. serious detox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblequadrat Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I do however find it ironic that the people I know who have the most piss-poor diets, drink like a fish, consume cigarets and caffeine, and lack of knowledge about how even their tomato grows or where their quinoa comes from are 'vegans/vegetarian/pescatarian/whirling dervish' camp -- and rather militant about it. Not to say you lovely vegans/veggieheads here are like that, just in my personal experience that's how it seems to go. i am like that although i don't drink anymore, i don't smoke anymore and i'm not militant at all, but my diet is pretty poor (also 90% of it is tea, so yeah, caffeine) and i don't know anything about where my food comes from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Human Bean Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Just a bit of fish sometimes. Killing things is naughty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lala Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 personally, when I do high fat my cravings for sugar go to almost zero. I find for the first 3 or 4 days of low carb/sugar I crave the carbs and feel like I'm in withdrawal. I have trouble focusing and feel extremely hungry all the time. Then after that I feel awesome! yeah, if I fall off for like a week or two and then go back, the first weeks painful. serious detox. i get the flu thing for a day. serious aching limbs, makes getting out of bed difficult. i dont crave sugar, just rice really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 hi my name is eugene and i went vegan a week ago. it's surprisingly easy to go vegan, plan your diet and find the right subsitutues on your lonesome (still dunno if i'm getting all the right vitamins and shit, but i'm feeling totally fine so far #noissues). i could literally live on just falafels, beans and hummums and a few types of nuts and seeds and fruit till i'm dead. but it's quite difficult in social settings as everyone now sees you as a faggot and the places you used to like have very limited options and you have to be all faggy when it comes to coming to your bros' places when it comes to food. also, is there a deece app that will monitor your nutrition including vitamins and other stuff? i haven't really found anything appropriate for some reason. sup vegans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Eat have amount of meat you would normally do and pay double for it so it comes from animals that didn't live in concentration camps, that's what I always say to myself (but doesn't help yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 None at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 been vegetarian for 11 years not been a self righteous dick about it for 9 it's really too early for me too shame vegetarians, but wth..so what's the point of your vegetarianism if you're doing it for ethical reasons? egg and milk industry are just as awful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tec Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Once the vegans get their cheese sorted I'll be joining the camp, almond milk is banging on your cereal and I wouldn't mind using some other substitute for tea (recommendations?) but cheese, fucking love the stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxus Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I eat of the flesh and it soothes me. Blood! Havoc! Put it in me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Eat have amount of meat you would normally do and pay double for it so it comes from animals that didn't live in concentration camps, that's what I always say to myself (but doesn't help yet) I'd like to do this, just haven't been in a good place financially/etc. to do so. I have tried to cut back on quantities of meat, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watmmisdead Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I dont eat meat for 2-3 years now, I eat eggs (the aggs I eat are from a farm where the hens are treated good, they go outside, are not stuck in cages, ect they cost twice the price though) and dairy products though so im actually lacto-ovo vegetarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watmmisdead Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 been vegetarian for 11 years not been a self righteous dick about it for 9 it's really too early for me too shame vegetarians, but wth..so what's the point of your vegetarianism if you're doing it for ethical reasons? egg and milk industry are just as awful... yes, egg and milk industry are just as awful. but its still ethically better to stop eating meat then keep on eating meat even if you were to still eat aggs and milk. I think if a individual stop eating meat, every year he saves 12 animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I eat of the flesh and it soothes me. Blood! Havoc! Put it in me Are you concerned about the mass suffering of sentient beings upstream of your eating habits? Or do you just avoid thinking about the moral impact of your actions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I eat a mostly vegetarian diet, but sometimes I devour the flesh of dead mammals, crustaceans, molluscs and fish. And birds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxus Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I eat of the flesh and it soothes me. Blood! Havoc! Put it in me Are you concerned about the mass suffering of sentient beings upstream of your eating habits? Or do you just avoid thinking about the moral impact of your actions? Could you not tell from my hyperbolic tone that I blissfuly thrive on the misery of others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I eat of the flesh and it soothes me. Blood! Havoc! Put it in meAre you concerned about the mass suffering of sentient beings upstream of your eating habits? Or do you just avoid thinking about the moral impact of your actions? Could you not tell from my hyperbolic tone that I blissfuly thrive on the misery of others? I have autism, so you'll have to spell it out for me Do you not eat meat? Was that the joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keanu reeves Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Been vegan for two weeks. I have never been more miserable in my life. Someone told me there is a cheese like substance called nutritional yeast that I can sprinkle on food. I tried it. It tastes like crushed vitamins. I don't think I'll make it to Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Been vegan for two weeks. I have never been more miserable in my life. Someone told me there is a cheese like substance called nutritional yeast that I can sprinkle on food. I tried it. It tastes like crushed vitamins. I don't think I'll make it to Friday. It's pretty brutal at first...you gotta build up a repertoire of meals that don't taste like shit...having lots of nuts and berries around to munch on is a big help Anyway, good luck (And holla if you need some meal ideas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Been vegan for two weeks. I have never been more miserable in my life. Someone told me there is a cheese like substance called nutritional yeast that I can sprinkle on food. I tried it. It tastes like crushed vitamins. I don't think I'll make it to Friday.Had you been vegetarian before, or straight from meat to vegan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keanu reeves Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Most of my diet was veggies with a decent amount of fish and occasional red meat. Was vegetarian through high school, years ago. My diet has gone off the rails in the last couple years, eating out all the time and lots of meat. Never realized how much I need dairy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manmower Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 hi my name is eugene and i went vegan a week ago. it's surprisingly easy to go vegan, plan your diet and find the right subsitutues on your lonesome (still dunno if i'm getting all the right vitamins and shit, but i'm feeling totally fine so far #noissues). i could literally live on just falafels, beans and hummums and a few types of nuts and seeds and fruit till i'm dead. but it's quite difficult in social settings as everyone now sees you as a faggot and the places you used to like have very limited options and you have to be all faggy when it comes to coming to your bros' places when it comes to food. also, is there a deece app that will monitor your nutrition including vitamins and other stuff? i haven't really found anything appropriate for some reason. sup vegans. All you need in terms of supplements are B12 and some algae-based EPA/DHA. And like everyone regardless of what they eat you should consider vitamin D unless you spend a lot of time naked in the sun. Other than that don't worry too much about nutrition. Make starchy foods your staples (whole grains, legumes, potatoes, quinoa...) and eat a variety of other veggies and fruit and your diet is bound to be a lot more nutrient dense than most. If you really need to measure you can try Cron-O-Meter, it's pretty US-centric but works fine if you eat mostly whole foods. Just don't expect to find a lot of pre-packaged processed items from your neck of the woods on there. glhf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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