Vaporwave

[Npoess]

https://www.facebook.com/virtualplaza/videos/933054590073848/

Can't find the youtube vid for this

[purlieu]

Yeah, it's a split. I'm a tad worried about the fact that it's going to be a C120, which will last about six plays before breaking.

 

In other news, goth vaporwave.

[prdctvsm]

[Nebraska]

https://soundcloud.com/alvin-thechipmunkson16sp

Edited November 3, 2015 by Nebraska

[joshuatxuk]

Yeah, it's a split. I'm a tad worried about the fact that it's going to be a C120, which will last about six plays before breaking.

 

In other news, goth vaporwave.

 

this ain't half bad, lot better than a lot of meh "dark vapornoise / dark vaporambient" releases I've seen on reddit

 

https://soundcloud.com/alvin-thechipmunkson16sp

 

this is amazing - the result is that it's like vaporwave with fixed vocals

[purlieu]

Hong Kong Express collab with Zomby

[joshuatxuk]

I'm really intrigued by this Zomby connection to Dream Catalogue now, first the NMESH remix and now this. Kind of a nice change from his airhorn rave stuff.

[thief]

Hong Kong Express collab with Zomby

 

reminds me of his Cult Music tracks a little bit

[purlieu]

He did a radio mix lately for the BBC that had loads of Dream Catalogue stuff in it.

[joshuatxuk]

He did a radio mix lately for the BBC that had loads of Dream Catalogue stuff in it.

oh no kidding

 

a lot of DC's stuff is very akin to 90s IDM, dnb (FSOL, B12, Orb, LTJ Bukem) and mid-00s post-dubstep stuff - kuedo comes to mind

 

DC also released a new album from that guy who used to put out stuff as drop the lime (it was alright) but it and a lot of stuff seems to be vague asian blade runner homage stuff.

 

im not complaining, it's cool but also a bit baffling to me - it's like vaporwave is reinventing the wheel by progressing into more complex, less sample based and original composed music but in way that harkens existing music from decades ago. i dunno, bit burned out of the scene tbh at the moment, it's become very insular in a good way for the sake of artists actually supporting each other but on the other side of the coin stuff that has that classic vaporwave aesthetic - and likewise stuff progressing on that sound - seems to be less popular - for example ssaliva, niqou nic, giant claw, and torn hawk have put out very vaporwave-y albums but they aren't even part of the scene...same with 0PN's new stuff

[Lane Visitor]

 

He did a radio mix lately for the BBC that had loads of Dream Catalogue stuff in it.

oh no kidding

 

a lot of DC's stuff is very akin to 90s IDM, dnb (FSOL, B12, Orb, LTJ Bukem) and mid-00s post-dubstep stuff - kuedo comes to mind

 

DC also released a new album from that guy who used to put out stuff as drop the lime (it was alright) but it and a lot of stuff seems to be vague asian blade runner homage stuff.

 

im not complaining, it's cool but also a bit baffling to me - it's like vaporwave is reinventing the wheel by progressing into more complex, less sample based and original composed music but in way that harkens existing music from decades ago. i dunno, bit burned out of the scene tbh at the moment, it's become very insular in a good way for the sake of artists actually supporting each other but on the other side of the coin stuff that has that classic vaporwave aesthetic - and likewise stuff progressing on that sound - seems to be less popular - for example ssaliva, niqou nic, giant claw, and torn hawk have put out very vaporwave-y albums but they aren't even part of the scene...same with 0PN's new stuff

 

 

Agreed in some ways- I personally think there are just so many releases lately and cassette pressings and new labels, etc etc, that it's kind of hard to keep up with. For me, when I don't know or can't tell whether something is OC or sample based, I just end up assuming it's sampled, and with a lot of the more newer ambient, atmospheric stuff, it turns me off a bit to think that some of that could be completely sample based-- but that ill never know.As far as sample-based, I prefer the O.G. style vapor in the line of Vektroid, Internet Club, etc- which for that style, in many ways, id prefer it to be sample-based. Nothing is better than sampled late 80s / early 90s smooth jazz licks- and you know you're hearing a sample, so it's ok. Love the ambient sounds of late, with DC and all and I know they're doing a lot of original stuff now, which is awesome. I guess when I hear any new vapor release in general now that's ambient-ish, unless it says all original, then i just find it kind of difficult to be interested in taking a listen... i guess i prefer ambient works to be almost completely original since that kind of music is so serious and powerful and can be personally transcendent-- and with that kind of scenario, for me, identifying authorship is essential.

 

With Eccojams, it takes me to another place, but Im also aware that Daniel Lopatin didn't compose those loops, and I still have mad respect for him- but just as much so as whoever wrote that JoJo song, and with that kind of thing, i know Im hearing a pop song taken to a new level of epic-ness and surrealism in an infinite loop of absurdity- same with Mediafired- Pixies, and its brilliant Kate Bush loop. What I'm not interested in is the Floral Shoppe pt. 27 thing-- the vaporizing other vapor- the whole "let's take Eccojams and slap reverb and delay over and turn the wetness to 99% and call the album "S T A R -()()()()- F O X 66644422220000" - to me that's bs

 

i feel like the newer breeds of vaporwave--the ambient releases-- really owe it to themselves, the creators, and the community, to say "this is all original" or "composed by" or "no samples used" etc if that's the case. Otherwise, I think that's a lot of hard work overlooked and passed over as "just another plunderphonics thing" just because it has the vaporwave tag on it.

Edited November 12, 2015 by Lane Visitor

[purlieu]

I'm the opposite, I actually try and avoid the originals even if I know an album is all sample-based. Unless you're doing a mixtape-style album (Nmesh's nu.wav hallucinations or the pursuing paradise records) then I prefer to think of it as original music, regardless of how sample-based it is. Maybe that's because a lot of my own music is heavily based on samples (FSOL are my biggest inspiration) so it's nice to hear people doing the same. I've recently finished an album that's about 50/50 samples and original (HKE has said some positive things so if I'm lucky it might even come out on DC - crossed my fingers there) but for me it doesn't matter how it's made, as long as the end result sounds good. I always sample from music I don't like - seeking out the little moments of greatness among horrible crap (new age CDs from charity shops are my main source of material) so I suppose that feeds in to it.

[joshuatxuk]

sampling rules. taking entire tracks without doing anything interesting to them blows, and i wouldn't even call that sampling. finding parts to loop, pitch down, add processing to and mix with other things you've found takes work and is an art in itself. i agree that 50/50 is a good approach, stuff that mixes samples with custom synths and field recordings tends to be my favourite music in the field.

 

yeah this - there's a sweet spot with samples + original music but also I love layered and chopped up stuff (VHS head for example) or stuff with just effects all over, but with less common sample sources (telepath telepath has been good at this)...or this guy who isn't really vaporwave but has the vibe

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhaYFy_dCXI

 

as far as original compositions I like the library muzak-y stuff, like lane's work as donovan hikaru and likewise other stuff I've stumbled up...James Ferraro Far Side Virtual is the vaporwave granddaddy of that stuff I suppose

 

i will respond to the other stuff later when i have more time (i might just copy+paste a comment I had on reddit about it awhile back where DC actually replied - it was pretty cool to be involved in a friendly discussion about post-vaporwave and the current genre status with a major player)

[Lane Visitor]

Im just a weird listener , so i think its more an ocd thing for me. For the most part, its more about the feeling for me regardless of sample-based or original. I think its prob that as a whole, i like the classic vapor best- of which most is sample-based, so i guess my answer is i prefer sample based.. Of course when im hearing something like opn, or miami vice or blank banshee or eyeliner- theres a distinctively different type of texture/sound, and im usually in a different mood/reason to listen to that--maybe more whole track / song oriented aspect than the whole slowed down loop, glitched heavily effected aspect. Most of the time i prefer that looped sound-jazzy sexy slowed down grooves, surreal and hypnotic more so than ambient/drone/experimental.. I guess thats more what i was trying to say.

[Lane Visitor]

 

sampling rules. taking entire tracks without doing anything interesting to them blows, and i wouldn't even call that sampling. finding parts to loop, pitch down, add processing to and mix with other things you've found takes work and is an art in itself. i agree that 50/50 is a good approach, stuff that mixes samples with custom synths and field recordings tends to be my favourite music in the field.

yeah this - there's a sweet spot with samples + original music but also I love layered and chopped up stuff (VHS head for example) or stuff with just effects all over, but with less common sample sources (telepath telepath has been good at this)...or this guy who isn't really vaporwave but has the vibe

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhaYFy_dCXI

 

as far as original compositions I like the library muzak-y stuff, like lane's work as donovan hikaru and likewise other stuff I've stumbled up...James Ferraro Far Side Virtual is the vaporwave granddaddy of that stuff I suppose

 

i will respond to the other stuff later when i have more time (i might just copy+paste a comment I had on reddit about it awhile back where DC actually replied - it was pretty cool to be involved in a friendly discussion about post-vaporwave and the current genre status with a major player)

Ahh cheers mate!! :D honored that you dig DH!

 

Yeah i love me some Ferraro as well. That VHS Head is pretty amazing as well.

[joshuatxuk]

here are some links, I have the same username

 

some_of_the_best_vaporwave_ive_heard_in_doesnt call itself vaporwave

ever_become_burned_out_by_vaporwave?

 

the ones I mentioned with a lot of back and forth discussion:

 

has_2814_completely_ruined_vaporwave/? (pretty ballsy question on that subreddit [that i disagree with strongly btw - saint pepsi, memes, and bad future funk ruined it if anyone imo] - FYI this is the one HKE commented on)

 

iffy controversial thread - lot of dinguses on here, hell the guy ripping on dds.wmv is a "harsh ambient vapor" producer and his stuff isn't bad but is not even close to as good or vapey as dds.wmv imo

Edited November 13, 2015 by joshuatx

[purlieu]

The diversity within vaporwave is definitely one of its strongest points - and yeah, I totally agree that the vaportrap stuff seems to have a different aesthetic that isn't always matched by the artwork. I like the way the DC/ambient end of it tends to have a different look - blurred and layered VHS screecaps and landscapes - while the 'classic' stuff has the corporate graphics look, but the trap stuff seems to have adopted the latter and it never really fits.

 

Off to read those posts now. I occasionally read r/vaporwave but the number of really interesting discussions in there is totally overwhelmed by needless bitching and new release announcements with no replies.

[Lane Visitor]

sampling rules. taking entire tracks without doing anything interesting to them blows, and i wouldn't even call that sampling. finding parts to loop, pitch down, add processing to and mix with other things you've found takes work and is an art in itself.

 

agreed 100%

[Thiefinger]

 

sampling rules. taking entire tracks without doing anything interesting to them blows, and i wouldn't even call that sampling. finding parts to loop, pitch down, add processing to and mix with other things you've found takes work and is an art in itself.

 

agreed 100%

 

 

I agree on your agreeing 100%

[joshuatxuk]

 

 

sampling rules. taking entire tracks without doing anything interesting to them blows, and i wouldn't even call that sampling. finding parts to loop, pitch down, add processing to and mix with other things you've found takes work and is an art in itself.

 

agreed 100%

 

 

I agree on your agreeing 100%

 

 

I agree on your agreeing 1 0 0 % ｉｎｆｉｎｉｔｙ

[fumi]

Massive thread so I couldn't check if this was already posted.

 

[th555]

https://soundcloud.com/th555/apology

[th555]

voigt

[Lane Visitor]

Can't wait til this tape comes out... listening again, so classy. i know most have already heard about this comp, but just had to post it again, total essential

 

Edited November 19, 2015 by Lane Visitor

[purlieu]

I'm doing a fortnightly radio show on FutureMusic called Dream Machine playing vaporwave, ambient, outsider house and a few bits of new age and Berlin-school/synth stuff - currently live at http://futuremusic.fm, all shows will be archived on Mixcloud too.

Edited November 19, 2015 by purlieu