George Floyd and the emergent momentum of revolutionary masses

[Psychotronic]

Why use an ideas like communism or capitalism for everything in society? We clearly see they have good and bad parts. Why not do a modular approach? We could be completely socialist about one thing in society and use capitalism for another thing. Use them where they mainly cause good.

[cwmbrancity]

They’re called mixed economies.

[Psychotronic]

Just now, cwmbrancity said:

They’re called mixed economies.

i didn't know the english term for it. Thank you.

[drillkicker]

4 hours ago, Lada Laika said:

It's 1968, it's Rodney King. But amplified. Pandemic, Trump as president, active nazis, and an interconnectivity between people that can show you that this has happened three times this week. It's also an election year. Best case scenario, this is going to radicalize a massive number of people who normally sit on the sidelines. Worst case scenario? Seems clear.

No, I think it's only going to radicalize people who are already radicalized wingnuts.  I haven't even heard anyone mention it in real life.  This is just another case of the propaganda dealers giving Americans an extra dose of anxiety . . . for FREE !

[Rubin Farr]

It finally got crowds to protest outside the White House while this fat fuck was inside.  I don't remember large crowds pro or against since Bin Laden was killed.  Can the irony be starker?

 

 

[dingformung]

9 hours ago, Zeffolia said:

a series of revolutionary demonstrations to overthrow state oppression and the capitalists interests it exists to uphold

Such could be used as a legitimisation for more state violence & anti-terrorist measures and could lead to a more authoritarian state, helping the profiteers of such a society model even further. A conservative or even facist revolution could always be the consequence of a failed emancipatory revolution. Luckily the US isn't as oppressive as it gets (at least toward a big part of their own citizens) and there is a chance for social movements to emerge and express themselves and hopefully have an impact. I would understand if you said the reformist approach has never led to a satisfactory outcome - slavery and later racial segregation was abolished far too late and the ancestors of the victims still have to carry the burden. But which revolution that included overthrowing anything violently has ever led to a freer society? If there actually were militant rebel groups trying to overthrow the US government they would be crushed by superior military forces & state surveillance & authoritarianism would increase. Sure, you can dress up like a Guerilla fighter and do some cosplay protesting if you're into it but that's hardly revolutionary. Reformist demonstrations are always better. Transform the beast if you can't kill it (you can't)

1 hour ago, brian trageskin said:

i don't believe capitalism is a problem that needs to be discussed any further than it already has, and i don''t believe it is the key to understand social tensions and unequalities. 

What are more useful terms to understand social tensions and inequality?

21 minutes ago, beer badger said:

I did once have to calm down a very promising fight a few years ago which was close to erupting in my back garden at a barbeque. I have one mate (maybe two) in particular who see's lefties as a red rag to a bull.

More than lefties I feel right-wingers often have issues with their masculinity or a twisted sense of masculinity and like to engage in respective poser activities. Watchin' the game, killing a wild animal, involving in fist fights, having and aggressively defending some poorly thought out political stance, anything that makes them seem stronger and more "manly", lol. Of course there are more mature people on both ends of the spectrum but lots of people use politics as some means for identification or expression of their feelings rather than trying to understand how legislature impacts coexistence

13 minutes ago, Psychotronic said:

Why use an ideas like communism or capitalism for everything in society? We clearly see they have good and bad parts. Why not do a modular approach? We could be completely socialist about one thing in society and use capitalism for another thing. Use them where they mainly cause good.

There are no pure systems. Capitalism and communism aren't antonyms either, they are umbrella terms for lots of different models for analysing (or diagnosing) existing societies or creating visions for societal development. Every successful democracy existing in a capitalist economic sphere has socialist & even communist elements and all states that identify as socialist or communist do capitalism. I guess the Cold War has clouded our understanding of these terms, so maybe you are right in that they aren't that useful anymore & shouldn't be used as basis for some dogmatic state ideology

[may be rude]

capitalism vs communism is done. the new battle is dupes and saps versus those who check their math, and it's just embarrasing.

[brian trageskin]

15 minutes ago, dingformung said:

What are more useful terms to understand social tensions and inequality?

i don't know, don't care that much either. i just don't see how capitalism as an economic system is the sole vector for inequality. any system can generate inequality 

 corruption and what the wealthy decide to do with their power are much more efficient explanations for inequality imo

 

 

[dingformung]

7 minutes ago, brian trageskin said:

i don't know, don't care that much either. i just don't see how capitalism as an economic system is the sole vector for inequality. any system can generate inequality 

 corruption and what the wealthy decide to do with their power are much more efficient explanations for inequality imo

Sure, but corruption works differently in capitalist societies than in, say, tribal societies. But agree, using a term as broad as capitalism to try to explain all evils is definitely not enough

[cwmbrancity]

1 hour ago, Rubin Farr said:

It finally got crowds to protest outside the White House while this fat fuck was inside.  I don't remember large crowds pro or against since Bin Laden was killed.  Can the irony be starker?

 

 

An addition 

 

[Zephyr_Nova]

5 hours ago, Soloman Tump said:

Crank Sturgeon

Best performer I've seen.

[Lada Laika]

2 hours ago, drillkicker said:

No, I think it's only going to radicalize people who are already radicalized wingnuts.  I haven't even heard anyone mention it in real life.  This is just another case of the propaganda dealers giving Americans an extra dose of anxiety . . . for FREE !

Whatever drugs you’re on, it would be kind of you to share with the whole class. 

[sheatheman]

Derek Chauvin and George Floyd worked at the same night club on security shifts. Mrs. Chauvin was Mrs. Minneapolis 2018. She just announced that she's getting divorced...

ACAB, or.... love triangle?

 

[Psychotronic]

[Rubin Farr]

They finally tag this fucker as inciting violence.

 

 

[goDel]

Glad they did. Interesting to see how this will end. Expecting another TRumplosion in 3... 2... 1...

[chenGOD]

7 minutes ago, goDel said:

Glad they did. Interesting to see how this will end. Expecting another TRumplosion in 3... 2... 1...

He’s been crying like a 2 year old about it ever since. 

[goDel]

Wasn't this the second tweet they did that, or something? I remember the first was a fact-check warning.

[Enthusiast]

Burn it all

[may be rude]

1 hour ago, goDel said:

Wasn't this the second tweet they did that, or something? I remember the first was a fact-check warning.

 

earlier this week he posted about mail-in ballots equating to voter fraud, and twitter put a fact check element in the tweet linking to a resource page debunking the GOP lie about voter fraud, which they tell their constituents regarding their many voter suppression tactics. the GOP does poorly when more people vote.

trump flipped out and responded immediately saying he would sign an executive order to do something about social media stifling conservative voices. the next day he did sign an executive order which may be used to affect online activity in some ways. 

a day or two later he tweeted that he was ready to send the military into minneapolis, where people were protesting a cop mercilessly and a maniacally killing a black man on camera. trump said "when the looting starts, the shooting starts," as posted above. lovely that he claims to be defending the victim's memory by threatening further brutality. and that was the second tweet that twitter moderated this week, adding their own note about the tweet violating their terms of service, and adding a click-through to inform users that the tweet had been moderated.

[cruising for burgers]

 

Spoiler

 

 

[ambermonk]

I don't have the intellectual capacity for in-depth analytics of how different economic systems influence politics and society. But I do wish for the extrajudicial murders by police officers of unarmed citizens (especially black) to stop.

Plus I just wish Trump would spontaneously explode into a cocktail of shit and vomit, preferably with his closest advisers surrounding him. I'm done with that piss-colored cotton-candy-headed giant orange cyst and his despotic bullshit.

[may be rude]

zeff's friends?

all while

and

you dont win by fighting the army, zeff. you win by informing the people around you.

[may be rude]

hey zeff are you one of these? 

 

[may be rude]