Marxist thought

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[prdctvsm]

4 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

so you oppose materialism?

no , but it needs to be transcended imho.

4 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

do you oppose other materialist realms of study like science?

no , but once again science itself has become limited by its materialistic structure , eg.

[prdctvsm]

[zlemflolia]

26 minutes ago, prdctvsm said:

no , but it needs to be transcended imho.

no , but once again science itself has become limited by its materialistic structure , eg.

marx did say he preferred a crude idealist over a crude materialist in their ability to reform towards correctness.  what we face now though is a materialist struggle of providing raw materials to sustain physical bodies and providing them with the material ability to maintain that steady state without dependence on geographically remote groups

[brian trageskin]

don't feed the troll zeff

[Satans Little Helper]

2 hours ago, prdctvsm said:

Highly explosive when mixed with Ca. Radioactive. Toxic. I'm sure it'd be a solid at chamber temperature. In its pure form, that is. Mixed with other substances, anything can happen. It becomes unstable. And please, keep it away from Ca.

[zero]

9 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

idk what youre talking about, you seem to be making generalizations about what i always do.  i have good and bad days, im just a person. sometimes i give long detailed replies, sometimes i tell someone to shut up

just calling it like I see it man. maybe you don't always do it in every post, but you do it enough for it to be noticeable. and no offense, but it never seems like you're having a good day on here. you come across as very serious and angry most of the time. lighten up dude! relax! carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders all the time is no bueno for your psychological well being.

[Thu Zaw]

I have one thing to say on the topic of Marxism - and politics in general.

 

Socialism on its own doesn't work.

Capitalism on its own doesn't work.

A successful state is one that balances the two.

A state where people are free to create business & trade, but also ensures rights for workers, curbs monopolies & crates fair & attainable opportunities for all.

Politics is not an either/or, binary, right/wrong exercise. The left tempers the right, and vice versa.

The most important thing in politics is preserving civil dialogue between parties with differing ideas.

[zlemflolia]

3 hours ago, Thu Zaw said:

I have one thing to say on the topic of Marxism - and politics in general.

 

Socialism on its own doesn't work.

Capitalism on its own doesn't work.

A successful state is one that balances the two.

A state where people are free to create business & trade, but also ensures rights for workers, curbs monopolies & crates fair & attainable opportunities for all.

Politics is not an either/or, binary, right/wrong exercise. The left tempers the right, and vice versa.

The most important thing in politics is preserving civil dialogue between parties with differing ideas.

ya lets preserve civil dialogue between fascists and socialists /s

[Silent Member]

This is cum thief conspiracy level hysteria.

[milkface]

4 hours ago, Thu Zaw said:

I have one thing to say on the topic of Marxism - and politics in general.

 

Socialism on its own doesn't work.

Capitalism on its own doesn't work.

A successful state is one that balances the two.

A state where people are free to create business & trade, but also ensures rights for workers, curbs monopolies & crates fair & attainable opportunities for all.

Politics is not an either/or, binary, right/wrong exercise. The left tempers the right, and vice versa.

The most important thing in politics is preserving civil dialogue between parties with differing ideas.

So long as capitalism exists, people will suffer. Civil dialogue as opposed to radical action is what causes 25,000 people worldside to die from hunger every day. It's easy for us first-worlders to want to take our time. But tell a child soldier or a child worker to wait for a flawless alternative and see how happy their reaction will be.

Edited May 6, 2021 by milkface

[zkom]

[chenGOD]

7 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

you have an intense hatred for greed/lust for power? then why not capitalism which is DEFINED by that? it bakes it into its assumptions of human behavior

You have some weird understanding of capitalism. Just like communism, it is an economic system. Maybe you hate the American implementation of it? And no, the American implementation of it is not the only one, nor is it the apex of capitalism.

 

7 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

forcibly redistribute wealth and resources to those who need it, seize vacant properties owned by landlords waiting for renters and give it to the homeless, seize the supply chains of food producers and distribute the food where it needs to go, start rationing food worldwide rather than allowing rich countries to waste it, forcibly take all "intellectual property" from all companies and put it on the internet for any country to start producing COVID vaccines

All of those things have been tried. You cannot simply give things to others and expect poverty to end. We both want the same thing, but we differ in approach. I disagree that Marxist economics solves the problems of distribution efficiently (and this is largely borne out by economic models), while unregulated capitalism also leads to inefficiencies and inequality.

 

7 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

the biggest capitalist nations have high homeless populations, lack of access to decent education, lack of decent healthcare

Nowhere in the OECD does homelessness reach even 1% of the population, although there are issues around definitions. At least these countries provide statistics on homelessness, which is more than can be said for China. China's experiences provide some interesting insight into state-led efforts to provide housing for all instead of focusing on the most needy.  Access to safe drinking water, "capitalist" countries clearly doing well. Free speech, we've already gone over, workers rights, China suppresses union activity more than America.  I will grant you that American healthcare is all kinds of messed up, but that's the exception to most countries in the OECD.

 

[zlemflolia]

tell this nonsense to a former citizen of the USSR who now has to live in a capitalist shithole without healthcare or guaranteed access to housing

[zlemflolia]

5 hours ago, zero said:

just calling it like I see it man. maybe you don't always do it in every post, but you do it enough for it to be noticeable. and no offense, but it never seems like you're having a good day on here. you come across as very serious and angry most of the time. lighten up dude! relax! carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders all the time is no bueno for your psychological well being.

the struggle of the global proletariat is serious, and you should be angry

[milkface]

2 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

the struggle of the global proletariat is serious, and you should be angry

amen. you either care, or you don't.

[Cryptowen]

i dunno much about che guevara but his guerilla warfare book was pretty badass. just out in the jungle with the squad doing military drills & competing for the daily cigar ration; that's the kind of communism i can get onboard with

[logakght]

I recommend you Twilight Struggle, a war board game between USA and URSS if you wanna have more fun.

[zlemflolia]

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by cyanobacteria

[may be rude]

18 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

i want power, i want to become absolute dictator of the world right now, so i can forcibly redistribute wealth and resources to those who need it, seize vacant properties owned by landlords waiting for renters and give it to the homeless, seize the supply chains of food producers and distribute the food where it needs to go, start rationing food worldwide rather than allowing rich countries to waste it, forcibly take all "intellectual property" from all companies and put it on the internet for any country to start producing COVID vaccines if they need it, things like this

 

[zlemflolia]

beautiful, cuba is migrating towards free and open source software, in other words taking direct control of their own means of production in the realm of software, and eliminating dependencies on capitalist software.  you love to see it

http://en.granma.cu/cuba/2021-05-06/cuba-migrating-to-open-source-platforms

>The technical migration toward open source platforms and the consistent use of nationally produced software and applications in the country is not only a change needed to strengthen the Cuban industry, but is also key to strengthening our technological sovereignty and information security.

>each one of the above mentioned organizations and institutions must prepare their own migration schedules in order to guarantee completion of the process by December 2024

Edited May 6, 2021 by cyanobacteria

[chenGOD]

6 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

tell this nonsense to a former citizen of the USSR who now has to live in a capitalist shithole without healthcare or guaranteed access to housing

Ah yes, Russia, the paragon of well-regulated capitalism, with no corruption at all. Speaking of nonsense...

[zlemflolia]

2 hours ago, chenGOD said:

Ah yes, Russia, the paragon of well-regulated capitalism, with no corruption at all. Speaking of nonsense...

shilling for a nazi, peak capitalism

 

[Braintree]

8 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

 

 

[Thu Zaw]

11 hours ago, milkface said:

So long as capitalism exists, people will suffer. Civil dialogue as opposed to radical action is what causes 25,000 people worldside to die from hunger every day. It's easy for us first-worlders to want to take our time. But tell a child soldier or a child worker to wait for a flawless alternative and see how happy their reaction will be.

Marxism is an attractive idea to teenagers who think they're overflowing with compassion for every living being, but sadly they don't have enough experience of the nature of the human.

They are people who believe Hollywood movies display the same calibre of political interrogation as academic literature. 

They see things in binaries; people think like them, or people are evil and selfish. There's no mid-ground. They refuse to engage in dialogue, because they view independent thought and ideas that stray from the ideology as harmful. 

They believe people that don't share their view are wilfully hateful. They 'other' groups of people. 

Marxism is for people who think that in life there is either good or evil, right or wrong, equal or unequal. They fail to see nuances; the greys in life. 

They fail to see the authoritarianism and totalitarianism of their own approach. They believe that their violence and oppression is all for the greater good.

Marxism is a totalitarian ideal that punishes dissent. Yet it believes it's the great equaliser. It gives total power to those who control the system, but calls its critics oppressors.

 

Signed, 

Someone who grew up in a militarised socialist dictatorship.