Psychedelics

[Adieu]

For training wheels on psychedelics, one can use them with xanax/clonazepam/etc. Takes away fear and anxiety. I've never done it, but have confirmation from close cosmonaut.

 

Edit: well, psychedelics with training wheels... Doing training wheels on psychedelics is already too trippy,

 

There are much safer and more effective herbal/supplemental options available that won't risk you losing touch with reality and blacking out.

[lala]

the only good pcp is the r&s one, mescalinium united, and the blue 12" imo. the rest is a bit too industrial for me

Edited September 4, 2015 by lala

[Danny O Flannagin]

haven't donne shrooms/truffels in 2 years and don't really feel like doing it in the near future either. the nausea, the maniac crying laughter, confusion, the ultimate beauty and terror of excistence, stuck in time in egodeaths.... it's hard, i have more grip when i pop a holly

sometimes i tought, why don't i have any normal music like eifel 65, all my records enhance the feeling x1000 + my wife is a nightmare to shroom with, she pukes like 3 hours in a row.

i'm not a "let's go outside on drugs" dude either, gimme a couch, some close friends and most of all awesome music, that's why i do it in the first place

superglad i did em tough, it changed me for the better but i'm good for now also i seem to have unlimited homegrown and the dank tells me, dude this shit is hard enough for you asshole, ave a beer and listen to some tunes

Ya, i was exactly the same way. The experience just felt really heavy, like there was a weight on me. I was just sitting in a room jamming tunes. The controlled environment of a room is also super comforting. Unfortunately my friend really wanted to go outside and kept bringing it up. I wasn't really afraid to go outside but literally everything was perfect just sitting there and i didn't want to change that. Eventually went on a quick walk but got tired so we walked back, lol

[Ivan Ooze]

^haha there is always one dude that wants to do some stuff, blame it on the shroom, glad you had an awesome experience m8

[Danny O Flannagin]

^haha there is always one dude that wants to do some stuff, blame it on the shroom, glad you had an awesome experience m8

I think it'd be good if everyone had a trip sitter instead of just having one person look after a group cuz some people want to experience the trip in different ways. It just might get kinda crowded if three people are tripping and three more people are looking after them, might be kind of a sensory overload unless part of the group broke off

[peace 7]

 

For training wheels on psychedelics, one can use them with xanax/clonazepam/etc. Takes away fear and anxiety. I've never done it, but have confirmation from close cosmonaut.

 

Edit: well, psychedelics with training wheels... Doing training wheels on psychedelics is already too trippy,

 

There are much safer and more effective herbal/supplemental options available that won't risk you losing touch with reality and blacking out.

 

 

Yeah, but like... What iiiis reality, myaaaAAaaaaAaan..... (also, it'd be cool if you could suggest the alternatives for the thread-- you mean like, camomile tea? viagra?)

[hello spiral]

^haha there is always one dude that wants to do some stuff, blame it on the shroom, glad you had an awesome experience m8

 

 

 

 

I used to love tripping, man. There's always one guy when you're tripping who wants you to do something to enhance the trip. You know what I'm talking about.

"You're tripping? Oh duuude, you gotta play miniature golf."

[bill hangs onto the table]

Ha ha Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking, man.

I'm just sitting over here watching the pyramids be built by UFOs right now, but get me to that fucking golf course.

I'm watching Jesus flying around on a unicorn, but I bet that little miniature golf would be just the thing to make this trip peak.

So you guys can use your legs huh?

[caze]

ha! my best trips involved me standing in the same room for hours walking around in circles/staring at the walls.

[Danny O Flannagin]

 

^haha there is always one dude that wants to do some stuff, blame it on the shroom, glad you had an awesome experience m8

 

 

 

 

I used to love tripping, man. There's always one guy when you're tripping who wants you to do something to enhance the trip. You know what I'm talking about.

"You're tripping? Oh duuude, you gotta play miniature golf."

[bill hangs onto the table]

Ha ha Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking, man.

I'm just sitting over here watching the pyramids be built by UFOs right now, but get me to that fucking golf course.

I'm watching Jesus flying around on a unicorn, but I bet that little miniature golf would be just the thing to make this trip peak.

So you guys can use your legs huh?

 

lol, source?

[autopilot]

Seems like a Bill Hicks bit.

[awepittance]

Remember that dude from the wu tang crew that cut off his own dick?

 

PCP

 

 

 

I've never heard a positive PCP story

(My dad took it and freaked out and attacked the person he was with)

are you sure that was PCP? for some reason i thought it was another K2/spice incident. That seems to be causing a lot of people to cut off their own dicks. I've only done spice 3 times, and the 3rd time we smoked some of the pure powder and I literally felt like i was going to stop breathing while having unpleasant glitchy salvia style visuals. I've never had a scare like that on any other drug i've done.

 

surely there has to be someone here who has done PCP and not had a freak out

Edited September 5, 2015 by John Ehrlichman

[Adieu]

 

 

For training wheels on psychedelics, one can use them with xanax/clonazepam/etc. Takes away fear and anxiety. I've never done it, but have confirmation from close cosmonaut.

 

Edit: well, psychedelics with training wheels... Doing training wheels on psychedelics is already too trippy,

 

There are much safer and more effective herbal/supplemental options available that won't risk you losing touch with reality and blacking out.

 

 

Yeah, but like... What iiiis reality, myaaaAAaaaaAaan..... (also, it'd be cool if you could suggest the alternatives for the thread-- you mean like, camomile tea? viagra?)

 

 

Umm...natural cures for anxiety are many. You kind of need to experiment to find which works best for you. Could be a specific combination. Some people say certain ones don't do anything for them and others report vast improvements. Anxiety, especially disruptive anxiety is looked over as being a hugely physiological problem. Most notably when it's constant or without proper cause. For instance, a real threat.

 

But the things that I know about, and that I employ for myself. I should note that I don't take anything with psychedelics, but I will list what I take everyday so I will have these things circulating in my system. I'm not a doctor. I'm a mad scientist so you should do your own research.

 

5-htp & L-Tryptophan - Risky to take with anything that manipulates serotonin as these are precursors and potentiators. Can be fatal if improperly dosed with drugs. Great for post trip/next day to cures blues and "hangover". I take 1000 mg L-Tryptophan before bed generally, but at the moment I've been taking a 5-htp supplement mix called New Mood.

 

Melatonin - natural hormone, helps regulate sleep, will chill you out. 1.5 mcg is a good base line. You can disrupt your own production/become dependent on this for sleep as you increase dosages so minimum effect dosage is important.

 

Valerian root - helps with sleep/anxiety. Never taken this by itself, but have taken Premier Research Labs - Tranquinol and it is an ingredient. That supp works very well in my experience.

 

L-Theanine - Curbs anxiety especially good when taking stimulants like drinking coffee all day or a nootropic. Never experimented with higher dosages or specific supplementation with this, because I have no need, but it's a good option for pursuing at elevated dosages if one has real issues. As far as I know it's safe to take with psychedelics, but I would research first.

 

GABA - neurotransmitter that reduces excitability. Doesn't cross the blood brain barrier so it won't effect the brain directly, but it will impact your gut, and your guts biodiversity and overall health, things like the quality of the mucin lining, play a central role in your anxiety and nervousness. It's one of the key areas to investigate for overall health and anxiety related issues. The vagus nerve connects your brain directly to your gut, and it's been shown that gut bacteria composition effects the expression of personality.

 

Magnesium - this will help you reduce anxiety/stress. I drink powdered at night before bed. It makes you sleepy, but not overly sleepy by itself. It's also important in key functions of the body like cell repair. Magnesium levels in the bloodstream are proportionally positively related to a reduction in all cause mortality apparently.

 

Lactobacillus Rhamnosus - recently heard about this. bacteria is supposed to function on GABA receptors and reduce stress and anxiety.

 

There is definitely more stuff. Supposedly high levels of L-Glutamine (20 - 40g) can improve anxiety symptoms as well, but I've not researched the mechanism of action.

 

Also would suggest different types of teas because they can be incorporated in psychedelic ceremonies.

[Adieu]

 

Remember that dude from the wu tang crew that cut off his own dick?

 

PCP

 

 

 

I've never heard a positive PCP story

(My dad took it and freaked out and attacked the person he was with)

are you sure that was PCP? for some reason i thought it was another K2/spice incident. That seems to be causing a lot of people to cut off their own dicks. I've only done spice 3 times, and the 3rd time we smoked some of the pure powder and I literally felt like i was going to stop breathing while having unpleasant glitchy salvia style visuals. I've never had a scare like that on any other drug i've done.

 

surely there has to be someone here who has done PCP and not had a freak out

 

 

your willingness to experience this drug is making me question my own bias. I think the synthetics are a little more dangerous overall. Hope you experience something relatively pure and actually the drug.

[lala]

valerian works great for anxiety. eating 3-4g of the stuff is nice too

oh, anyone interested in nootropics and brain chemistry stuff, longecity.org forums is an interesting place

[peace 7]

AdieuErsatzEnnui All right- I've taken all stuff listed, and I dunno if any of that would help for an out of the blue trip (but they help in the long run for general well being, as well as St. John's Wort, and all other related stuffs...). I know grapefruit juice can make certain drugs fucking hardcore, but besides benzos, I dunno of anything that is acute, direct, and immediate for calming during trips (for me I've only done "good mindset and environment"). Maybe weed to take away anxiety? Again, I've never mixed psychedelics.

 

Off topic, but something you might know-- you ever smoke or make teas from calea zacatechichi? Or maybe it was valerian. I had bags of both at the time, so.... Yah, think it was valerian. Anyway, I was making a super concentrated extract, and boiling it made the whole house smell like shit. Like actual feces. Good times.

 

All this shaman-esque stuff reminds me of tripping on morning glory seeds or Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds. Just remembering those trips still brings up a bit of nausea... I didn't do any extractions or "cleaning"- just straight up ate the seeds (HBWR I cut to pieces with a wire cutter). Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds are basically like an acid trip but waaaaay more dirty. Besides the dirty/grungy/heavy feeling, quite good. And yes, it can go DEEP. Like shooms- nature has got our backs, if we're willing to open up to it all. Amazing that shit exists.

 

EDIT: FUCK, I'm getting that "paper piece stuck in throat" feeling after writing that... What in the fuck..... Dude, the LSA shit got the most powerful nausea memories ever, man, what in the fuck...

Edited September 7, 2015 by peace 7

[fenton]

I used to grow and take mushrooms on the regular. As stated by other posters, frequent psychedelic voyages before you've really formed a core adult identity can seriously disrupt identity formation, which will make things awkward, ineffective, and difficult for you when you have to start doing adult things. I also agree that psychedelic experiences can become the basis for some really bizarre belief systems, particularly about the nature of the universe. There's a lot of literature out there, particularly from India, that people get latched on to, as it resonates with their psychedelic experiences. I'm not fond of how serious a "journey" that can become for some people, including myself. I never saw anyone complete it -- just gradually snap out of it.

 

While psychedelics for some seem to be a way to reach some higher esoteric knowledge, I see it more as a way to explore my consciousness and how it works.

 

 

I'm prejudiced in this direction. Would love to try them again with this kind of mindset. Also, loved the concept of consciousness as a superfluid. As I get more into neurobiology and the human body, I'm beginning to appreciate the wonders of reductionism paired with systems thinking - speculative and poetical language is just too dangerous when trying to discern and describe the nature of reality. You can come to some very, very wrong conclusions.

MOre on the stuff in bold pls.

[Adieu]

AdieuErsatzEnnui All right- I've taken all stuff listed, and I dunno if any of that would help for an out of the blue trip (but they help in the long run for general well being, as well as St. John's Wort, and all other related stuffs...). I know grapefruit juice can make certain drugs fucking hardcore, but besides benzos, I dunno of anything that is acute, direct, and immediate for calming during trips (for me I've only done "good mindset and environment"). Maybe weed to take away anxiety? Again, I've never mixed psychedelics.

 

Off topic, but something you might know-- you ever smoke or make teas from calea zacatechichi? Or maybe it was valerian. I had bags of both at the time, so.... Yah, think it was valerian. Anyway, I was making a super concentrated extract, and boiling it made the whole house smell like shit. Like actual feces. Good times.

 

All this shaman-esque stuff reminds me of tripping on morning glory seeds or Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds. Just remembering those trips still brings up a bit of nausea... I didn't do any extractions or "cleaning"- just straight up ate the seeds (HBWR I cut to pieces with a wire cutter). Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds are basically like an acid trip but waaaaay more dirty. Besides the dirty/grungy/heavy feeling, quite good. And yes, it can go DEEP. Like shooms- nature has got our backs, if we're willing to open up to it all. Amazing that shit exists.

 

EDIT: FUCK, I'm getting that "paper piece stuck in throat" feeling after writing that... What in the fuck..... Dude, the LSA shit got the most powerful nausea memories ever, man, what in the fuck...

 

 

I mean if someone is in a straight up panic episode? yeah, those things are going to be less effective than using a strong drug like xanax or valium. What I was meaning really was to pair them with your dosing or to take them regularly to reduce the edge before going into a psychedelic experience.

 

Weed could be hit or miss, because generally it makes people slightly uneasy and/or more capable of being paranoid. I think it's a good potentiator, especially with something like shrooms. I once took a hit during the peak of a shroom trip and it was immense. Like, my hands started glowing, and all the threads in my carpet became super pronounced and much deeper than normal. I still have that image of my glowing orange hands in my head. It can also be good to chill out on the back end of a trip. Pairs well on the second half of a mescaline trip.

 

I've never fucked around with mg or woodrose. Things that have a high potential for discomfort do not sound that appealing to me. I'm still on the fence about whether or I would like to try ayahuasca. Ibogaine is off the table at the moment haha

 

 

 

I used to grow and take mushrooms on the regular. As stated by other posters, frequent psychedelic voyages before you've really formed a core adult identity can seriously disrupt identity formation, which will make things awkward, ineffective, and difficult for you when you have to start doing adult things. I also agree that psychedelic experiences can become the basis for some really bizarre belief systems, particularly about the nature of the universe. There's a lot of literature out there, particularly from India, that people get latched on to, as it resonates with their psychedelic experiences. I'm not fond of how serious a "journey" that can become for some people, including myself. I never saw anyone complete it -- just gradually snap out of it.

 

While psychedelics for some seem to be a way to reach some higher esoteric knowledge, I see it more as a way to explore my consciousness and how it works.

 

 

I'm prejudiced in this direction. Would love to try them again with this kind of mindset. Also, loved the concept of consciousness as a superfluid. As I get more into neurobiology and the human body, I'm beginning to appreciate the wonders of reductionism paired with systems thinking - speculative and poetical language is just too dangerous when trying to discern and describe the nature of reality. You can come to some very, very wrong conclusions.

MOre on the stuff in bold pls.

 

 

I think he has a point about the development part. It can be a tricky balance to strike as you are developing. I've seen people kind of lose it around this stage because they experiment too heavily. I think mostly this can be avoided by adhering to purpose and intent when venturing. Meaning, you shouldn't just be getting fucked up to enjoy yourself, and a proper guide would make the experience all that more beneficial. On the other hand, I think probably everyone would benefit from a reasonably deep trip somewhere around high school age. It can help put things in perspective and take the edge off your primal brain's influence. It also makes people nicer, less judgmental, and can help them manage their high levels of stress during that period.

 

As far as the association with ancients texts, they were all getting fucked up on this stuff so yeah, it makes sense that it resonates with people. I would really caution discounting people's interpretation of "what is" just because it's based on intuitive sensing. The people who were involved in developing these stories, ideas, and practices were still very wise. I think studying these old texts can be very beneficial for people. The idea is to take from them what is beneficial for you and discard the rest. Don't adhere strictly to these things. If anything, update them and apply our current understanding of everything.

 

As far as following the journey to completion. Well, that's matter of courage, discipline, and drive.

[peace 7]

Seen from the outside, the fearless path is the most frightening.

[fenton]

More interested in whether there is any basis for the statement that my tripping as a youngster may have affected me mentally - could blame my 'stuff' on that when if I ever speak to doctors it's like 'ffs just tell us when you were touched up by your P.E. teacher' [never] and then they say stuff like 'well there must be a reason that you X, Y or Z and I never thought of saying 'I took nuff acid as a yoot' because I didn't think that could be to blame.

 

But it might explain why I am like 'money is just bits of paper' and seem to not be effected by things other people are to the point that people are shocked, while I am affected deeply by some things people get over and that.

 

 

 

TBH I like it, my life is fun and I ain't going to be a norm just to satisfy my parents / teachers / bosses or whatever, fuck them they look and sound bored and tired.

 

 

:acid:

[Candiru]

Remember that dude from the wu tang crew that cut off his own dick?

 

PCP

 

 

 

I've never heard a positive PCP story

(My dad took it and freaked out and attacked the person he was with)

My friends got some "Molly" that was apparently cut with pcp and it was a nightmare for everyone involved. They found out what it was later because one girl had to go to the ER and get her stomach pumped. Nope nope nope

[hello spiral]

Seems like a Bill Hicks bit.

 

Bingo

[Rubin Farr]

pillheads are pathetic. my brother is one.

[Guest]

pillheads mostly are sad. i stopped taking X because

A) my last trip was a rollercoaster of happy/sad within the course of seconds over the course of half an hour.

B) i don't like drugs that exclusively alter moods like X

I understand why people take them though; what magic times we live in that you can pop a pill and feel good, feel huggy, feel connected to your fellow human beings. the pill gives you the ability to not feel so dreadfully detached (which is a real epidemic amongst our generational peers).

 

I try to nudge people in the direction of psychedelics because they really can help dealing with all these stupid intimacy issues. the only downside, which i usually tell people, is that it can take a while for you to integrate the experience; it has been about 3 years since i done ayahuasca and only now do i feel the benefits; positive outlook, positive thinking, seeing-through-the-defenses-that-humans-build-up-around-them-AND-being-able-sensitively nudge through that bubble.

 

Then again, some people are scared because psychedelics alter your worldview immensely, and speaking in freudian terms, the ego -however false its perception can be- prevents humans from exploring their inherent potential. The ego, however useful for making us able to participate on our current plane of existence, can be a real bitch in that sense. I also don't think that all people are able to take psychedelics, mostly because of the imagined ego-prison they are in, and their unwillingness to believe that they can escape the paralyzing shackles of the "no-can't-do".

In general though, I feel and see a lot of people around me in my age bracket brimming with a sense of hope and optimism, and they don't need psychedelics to make them feel this way; open your heart, open your mind and forever keep on working on bettering yourself. IMO, those are the main ingredients for a succesful life

Edited September 11, 2015 by Guest

[Schlitze]

You're the demon inside everone's soul, ghOstRidEr.

You're deep.

[cwmbrancity]

i think u need to get out more