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hoggy Veteran

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I think love is by essence (how it works in brain and in evolution) logical and rational (although we don't perceive it like that).

 

you would agree that it can be non-logical and non-rational though, right? so it can't be logical and rational 'in essence'

 

also, the whole concept of love is a cultural evolution - it may be based on something naturally occurring but it came to mean something more than that (in philosophy, art, social relations, music...) - love in evolution and brain science isn't quite the same as love as such

 

so to relate back to people loving music that you don't (like weezer) - I don't think it makes sense to try and refute their connection to it - that's their thing, even if you think it sucks

 

I don't know, I do make the mistake of snobbery sometimes, but I do think it's a mistake. and actually, now I think about it, you could call both trying to refute someone's taste in music with 'facts', or trying to enforce your own with 'facts' as snobbery.

 

or maybe weezer do objectively suck, I dunno - I doubt it though

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LimpyLoo Grand Master

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Weezer has had the occasional decent tune sprinkled here and their throughout the perpetual stream of diarrhea that is their post-Pinkerton catalog...

 

yesterday I perused their singles from the last 15 years, and I wasn't QUITE as horrified as I usually am by them...I mean, still mostly cringe-to-death autistic embracing of rubbish pop culture (Weezer ft. Lil Wayne and Kenny G)...and their 'back to keeping it real' album was co-written by some low-rent Dr. Luke asshole...

 

But I listened to the WTF with Marc Maron interview with Rivers Cuomo and it was actually really interesting (even if you loathe Weezer)...like, he was raised in a "commune" and his dad played drums on a Wayne Shorter record...weird shit

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LimpyLoo Grand Master

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I always hoped Rivers would just disband Weezer and write pop songs. Him and Ben Folds need to start a pop-rock production team or something.

BF5 is another band where the first 2 records were awesome (and really original...like, piano, fuzz bass and Bonham-ish drums with tight 3-part harmonies...not many bands like that at the time) but then they lost the plot...dunno, haven't heard the later stuff in a while

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I think Orbital were the most braindance of those big UK electronic acts of the 90's. If you was into Orbital, then Aphex and Autechre were probably not a million miles away....

 

The lines on the map were shifting and beginning to point towards planet Warp

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eugene Grand Master

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i don't know about afx but compare it to envane/chiastic slide from similar era and it's clear that ae were going (beginning to) for something very different. i'm pretty sure that people who really liked in sides didn't get hub, recury or laughing/latent quarter. plaid is probably a better comparison point.

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eugene Grand Master

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different how? those are really different worlds here, orbital were doing this plinky plonk electronica-prog music for mainstream videogames and ae were digging into some industrial limbo insanity. it's not as big of a difference as between taylor swift and john cage or something, but still.

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I don't think I've actually ever heard anything by Orbital.

 

 

i feel old. 

 

ps. listen to in sides.  https://www.discogs.com/Orbital-In-Sides/master/23336

 

I heard a few tracks on youtube and I actually think it's quite nice, I might just pick up the album.  :happy:

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first 7 (5 really) tracks of yhf are so great it's so sad how lame all other wilco is. just dad rock now. I would always listen to those tracks as I drove up to Chicago from indiana as a high schooler and associate the music with the city for many and obvious reasons. The songs and production seemed cosmopolitan and sophisticated and yet very midwestern and approachable. Honest in every move, even in its humor and irony if that makes any sense. 

 

I think they never regained their footing because they kicked out jay bennett (who had great ideas but was a huge dbag) and then jim o'rourke moved on to suckin fennesz dick. adding nels cline, while an impressive instrumentalist, was a huge mistake. wilco was never about dick-measuring guitar solos. when I saw them live he just spazzed out on stage as if he was coltrane but in reality he was just playing that fucking local on the 8s solo from the opener of sky blue sky. the most bizarre musical-visual disconnect i'd ever seen.

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i noticed listening to it today that it loses me right after heavy metal drummer. it's still a great album though, the other songs just don't hold up against the first half. sounds incredibly american, whatever that means. 

i saw them supporting the whole love. nick lowe was with them. weird show, didn't love it. it's like they're trying to be one of those dad rock bands but also kind of a new pornographers...i dunno...npr-core band. maybe they were always that. kind of hate alt-country for that reason. and then you have this shit:

 

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guys you aren't a legacy rock act. you aren't the stones. 

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Mercury Rev's first album Yerself Is Steam is a 'sprawling psychedelic masterpiece' (how many times have you heard that!, but its true). A journey into the center of a Sonoran Desert Toads mind (which found itself in the Catskill Mountains). There are some tracks on that album which are pure brilliance.

 

Then perhaps Deserters Songs had a few moments but still if you were a fan of the first album you were going to feel that some of the magic had gone, and really that was it from them. I'd always hear their new singles off subsequent albums and think to myself what the fuck is that???!!!

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