Prince (1958-2016)

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Prince Died From Accidental Overdose of Opioid Painkiller

 

Prince, the music icon who struggled with debilitating hip pain during his career, died from an accidental overdose of self-administered fentanyl, a type of synthetic opiate, officials in Minnesota said Thursday.

 

The news ended weeks of speculation about the sudden death of the musician, who had a reputation for clean living but who appears to have developed a dependency on medications to treat his pain.

 

nytimes

Edited June 3, 2016 by very honest

[Joyrex]

The coroner's report also said Prince weighed just 112 lbs at death. Poor guy.

[Hugh Mughnus]

Sorry not to derail the thread. But is fentanyl a thing where all of you guys live too?

 

Fentanyl (the opiate he died from) is a huge problem where I live. Far more deaths from overdoses (mostly kids: assholes are cutting ecstasy tabs here with fentanyl and kids are dying or getting hooked on opiates) than homicides even. There's an opiate called W18 that is 100 times more potent than fentanyl (so 10000 times more potent than heroin) that's becoming a problem now too.

 

Huge huge huge problem. Even hitting the celebrities now

[Zephyr_Nova]

A friend of a friend just died of a Fentanyl OD earlier this week. Fucked up.

[marf]

kid i seen around town dead last week. one of many lately. people just dead in their cars.

 

i had the idea of a wrist band a user could wear that would let off an alert for narcan with gps location once the pulse went below a certain level

Edited June 3, 2016 by marf

[Audioblysk]

Brilliant musician... It's so sad what pain and real physical addiction can do to even the best of people. RIP.

 

I'll never forget looking like the biggest teenaged tool by talking shit about prince and being thoroughly embarrassed once I really saw the mans musical prowess and mystique.

 

I'm still looking for Lake Minnetonka, completely nude and willing.

 

 

Sorry not to derail the thread. But is fentanyl a thing where all of you guys live too?

 

Fentanyl (the opiate he died from) is a huge problem where I live. Far more deaths from overdoses (mostly kids: assholes are cutting ecstasy tabs here with fentanyl and kids are dying or getting hooked on opiates) than homicides even. There's an opiate called W18 that is 100 times more potent than fentanyl (so 10000 times more potent than heroin) that's becoming a problem now too.

 

Huge huge huge problem. Even hitting the celebrities now

 

It's huge on the east coast, Canada and some places around here. Most of the heroin on the west coast is #3 aka black tar, which is harder to cut with a white powder than the typical #4 heroin of the east coast. Then there are the fake oxycodone pills... but TBH, if you're buying shady pills, you should run a marquis. Fent/W18 have specific colors compared to more basic codeine and thebaine derived opioids.

 

The problem with these drugs is honestly the lack of knowledge in the user-base (they got sold fake drugs expecting a drug they are used to) and criminal organizations adjusting to the war on drugs and rise in demand by cutting with a super-potent opioid. Even if you get a fent patch, it's incredibly hard to dose out correctly and being as it's x-amount of times more potent by weight than other opioids - it can kill a less-than careful opiate addict looking to get higher than just maintaining. Remember though, it's not 'more potent' as in it gets you higher, it just takes less by weight to get you higher. Sometimes the media's slew of buzz-facts leaves out asterisks that make things seem less dire. Dosed correctly and volumetrically from a known pharmaceutical source - fentanyl is no more dangerous than any other opioid IMO. But, it doesn't really go down like that even with people prescribed the medication and have a tolerance and IMO has no purpose outside medical use for that reason.

 

I can't imagine having a vice that I relied on to just feel physically and mentally well. If anyone has ever seen a full-blown opiate addict go through detox - it is not pretty and I can see why it's so hard to put down. You basically have to endure the worst torture you could inflict upon yourself to be free from the clutches of lady papaver and her mothers milk... and that's just the physical tolerance. Yikes.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Audioblysk

[Hugh Mughnus]

Good post man. You've really hit the nail on the head RE lack of knowledge in the user base.

 

Very scary stuff.

[marf]

fentanyl and W18 et al,.. shouldnt be manufactured. What more do you need than diamorphine? Ive done my share of opiates. The constipation is enough to make me think twice about using. Ive Cold Turkey a 3 mg a day two year habit of Klonopin. Ended up in hospital for a week. Benzos are no joke.

Edited June 4, 2016 by marf

[Hugh Mughnus]

I take klonopin now. Wouldn't dream to quit cold turkey.

[kaini]

eerily similar to michael jackson, i have no doubt he was hitting the opiates in order for 50-year-old prince to function like 25-year-old prince did. and there was no need :(

[madisonthorne]

Sad to finally hear it was a Fentanyl overdose. Makes alot more sense than a Percocet overdose. I used to abuse the lollipops along with a handful of people and it's garbage....real junky shit. It's absurdely powerful and very easy to fall out on, and opiates can be subtle sometimes in that you don't realize how much effect its having on your CNS because the high isn't as pronounced and in the forefront like some other drugs. Before you know it youre done. Questionable whether it should even have application outside of a hospital setting. These days alot of clandestine labs in Eastern countries are making cheap analogues and low grade shortcutted routes to the molecule and pushing it to the west...and it gets repackaged as oxycontin or some other designer with great risk to the uninitiated addict. 

 

Sucks that such a talented guy fell to the nightmarish hellscape of an opiate addiction. Happens to some of the best us, unfortunately most don't make it out. Too many talents gone too soon from the shit.

Edited August 2, 2016 by madisonthorne

[madisonthorne]

I take klonopin now. Wouldn't dream to quit cold turkey.

 

I should have scrolled up before I responded.....I do too and have for a very long time for anxiety with EPT (tremors). It's full on psych warfare to quit. The only reasonable ways are to do long tapers either off klonipin or switch to a longer acting benzo and go down off that. There are good guides for this around these days. Many doctors in and out of treatment facilities believe it's not a big deal though and will attempt rapid tapers that can be greatly uncomfortable and dangerous. I've had a Dr try to take me off with mass doses of gabapentin and it put me to sleep for 2 weeks and when I cut down I was far worse off. The lack of education is stunning.

[madisonthorne]

Brilliant musician... It's so sad what pain and real physical addiction can do to even the best of people. RIP. 

 

I'll never forget looking like the biggest teenaged tool by talking shit about prince and being thoroughly embarrassed once I really saw the mans musical prowess and mystique. 

 

I'm still looking for Lake Minnetonka, completely nude and willing. 

 

 

Sorry not to derail the thread. But is fentanyl a thing where all of you guys live too?

 

Fentanyl (the opiate he died from) is a huge problem where I live. Far more deaths from overdoses (mostly kids: assholes are cutting ecstasy tabs here with fentanyl and kids are dying or getting hooked on opiates) than homicides even. There's an opiate called W18 that is 100 times more potent than fentanyl (so 10000 times more potent than heroin) that's becoming a problem now too.

 

Huge huge huge problem. Even hitting the celebrities now

 

It's huge on the east coast, Canada and some places around here. Most of the heroin on the west coast is #3 aka black tar, which is harder to cut with a white powder than the typical #4 heroin of the east coast. Then there are the fake oxycodone pills... but TBH, if you're buying shady pills, you should run a marquis. Fent/W18 have specific colors compared to more basic codeine and thebaine derived opioids. 

 

The problem with these drugs is honestly the lack of knowledge in the user-base (they got sold fake drugs expecting a drug they are used to) and criminal organizations adjusting to the war on drugs and rise in demand by cutting with a super-potent opioid. Even if you get a fent patch, it's incredibly hard to dose out correctly and being as it's x-amount of times more potent by weight than other opioids - it can kill a less-than careful opiate addict looking to get higher than just maintaining. Remember though, it's not 'more potent' as in it gets you higher, it just takes less by weight to get you higher. Sometimes the media's slew of buzz-facts leaves out asterisks that make things seem less dire. Dosed correctly and volumetrically from a known pharmaceutical source - fentanyl is no more dangerous than any other opioid IMO. But, it doesn't really go down like that even with people prescribed the medication and have a tolerance and IMO has no purpose outside medical use for that reason.  

 

I can't imagine having a vice that I relied on to just feel physically and mentally well. If anyone has ever seen a full-blown opiate addict go through detox - it is not pretty and I can see why it's so hard to put down. You basically have to endure the worst torture you could inflict upon yourself to be free from the clutches of lady papaver and her mothers milk... and that's just the physical tolerance. Yikes. 

 

well said. there is a hell worse than youre average opiate detox though and it arrives when youve made the grave mistake of taking naltrexone before the mu opiod receptor sites are back to normal. I took 15mg, a very moderate dose 2 days into a detox and within 10 minutes was on the bathroom floor violently releasing fluids from all orifices for 16 striaght hours. If I had a gun I would have put a bullet in my mouth. It was pure hell.

 

I do somewhat disagree that Fentanyl is no different than other opiates but I understand the statement...the problem with it I think is the potency and the popularization of counterfeitting with it. The OP80s are a popular target for it, but realistically pure Fentanyl isnt often used....it doesnt make sense to counterfeit oxy per se with a more potent, basically better drug (in an addicts mind). I think all these poor manufactures of it and analogues make it into the OPs and other pills. I've only taken lollys which were 1600mcg and a single one would be pretty powerful. Ive watched people extract gel from Watson patches and nearly die after ripping the shit on foil. Disgusting.

 

Fentanyl seems to be more of a problem with ODs just because addicts are going too hard on it without realizing how active it is in mcg range doses. Your average patch is 75mcg say over 72 hours transdermally, which is 7.65mg in the patch total. Smoking or otherwise ingesting half that amount could have you falling out. Vs. average #4 tar, it would take much more effort to get there I think. Gunpowder and #3 afghan for instance alert you more loudly as you'll start nodding and sort of have a gauge on the potency. But as with any type of opiate, especially something comnbinant like Heroin, anyone can overdose if they get something too potent and treat it like an average dose.

 

In any case it's all terribly dangerous and you are correct, detoxing is hell. It's a special purgatory I'll happily never visit again.

[madisonthorne]

eerily similar to michael jackson, i have no doubt he was hitting the opiates in order for 50-year-old prince to function like 25-year-old prince did. and there was no need :(

 

absolutely, alot of fans and the GP were saying it seemed unlikely he was an addict, but all the signs were immediately there. if you have to ermgency land an airplane for a save shot of narcan youre in deep territory, nothing to do with percocet.

[Rubin Farr]

Has anyone heard any of the 2016 vinyl album reissues?  I'm looking at picking up Sign O the Times, and PLECTRUMELECTRUM, were they remastered or brickwalled at all?

[dr lopez]

there are loads of original sign o the times pressings out there, and they sound great just get one of those

[iococoi]

le petit prince

 

[iococoi]

just recently..

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[Scaramouche]

Been listening, and talking about Prince a lot this week. He was one of a kind  

 

[Rubin Farr]

 

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[iococoi]

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City Line: a Salute to Prince

https://archive.org/details/WJZ-CTYLN-003-001

 

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