caze Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 It's pretty cool. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Zeffolia said: If humanity invents more work to do once basic stuff like agriculture, house construction, and appliance manufacturing become completely automated, what's the justification for not giving them to everyone? That's a minimum requirement It extends beyond that though - what's the society we want to build in the future? One owned by corporations or owned by people? Have you never worked a wage slave job and been alienated from your labor before? Do we want the majority of humanity to exist forever as nothing more than wage slaves working on things for others to help them extract profit from the world? I don't care if loopholes are discovered and capitalism can keep patching itself up forever, we still need to get rid of it for the alienation reason alone house construction is about the farthest fucking job (at least in america) from being automated. are you just spouting off shit you've read in articles or reddit or what my dude, or did you just pull that out of thin air also genuinely curious, have you had a job? have you had a job outside working in the dirt with your hands where you were 100% not alienated from your labor? it often fucking sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, caze said: It's pretty cool. I think it is pretty cool also. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Zeffolia said: If humanity invents more work to do once basic stuff like agriculture, house construction, and appliance manufacturing become completely automated, what's the justification for not giving them to everyone? That's a minimum requirement It extends beyond that though - what's the society we want to build in the future? One owned by corporations or owned by people? Have you never worked a wage slave job and been alienated from your labor before? Do we want the majority of humanity to exist forever as nothing more than wage slaves working on things for others to help them extract profit from the world? I don't care if loopholes are discovered and capitalism can keep patching itself up forever, we still need to get rid of it for the alienation reason alone Zeff, honestly, I don't know where to start. Get the impression we live in completely different bubbles and talk a different language. Even though the words look the same, the meaning is different. To the point of being unrecognizable. I'm not trying to be judgmental. This is about the process of getting to some kind of mutual understanding. And currently, all I can say is that I don't understand where you're coming from at all. And given your replies I can only assume this to be mutual. Better to leave it here, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, auxien said: house construction is about the farthest fucking job (at least in america) from being automated. are you just spouting off shit you've read in articles or reddit or what my dude, or did you just pull that out of thin air also genuinely curious, have you had a job? have you had a job outside working in the dirt with your hands where you were 100% not alienated from your labor? it often fucking sucks. Why do you mentally restrict yourself to the past and the present? It's pretty obvious that house construction can be 100% automated at some point. If we truly wanted it to be right not it most likely would be. Yes I've had a job, and no I've never had a manual labor job but I've done manual labor. And putting your hands into the dirt doesn't mean you aren't alienated from your labor If the house you're building is for the profit of your boss you're still alienated from your labor. If the house you're building isn't the house you want to build you're still alienated from your labor. Only if the house you're building is the house you want to build with the group you want to build houses with, and the benefits of the house are going where you want them to go, then you're not alienated from your labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, goDel said: Zeff, honestly, I don't know where to start. Get the impression we live in completely different bubbles and talk a different language. Even though the words look the same, the meaning is different. To the point of being unrecognizable. I'm not trying to be judgmental. This is about the process of getting to some kind of mutual understanding. And currently, all I can say is that I don't understand where you're coming from at all. And given your replies I can only assume this to be mutual. Better to leave it here, I guess. I understand everything you've said though. As for the basis of what I'm talking about, this is a canonical introduction to some aspects of it, and a very beautiful one. It's from 1892 though so some sections are outdated, but they apply just as much today as they ever did https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread And of course:https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf Nothing I'm saying is outlandish at all, it's all very standard Edited December 12, 2019 by Zeffolia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 -_work suxx_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 18 hours ago, caze said: don't need to, post-scarcity is possible terrestrially it just won't last for very long. Lol, if it doesn’t last for very long, it’s not a post-scarcity economy. It’s still governed by the same supply and demand market forces. polyethylene is just hydrogen and carbon sure. What’s the usual source of ethylene? Speculation about the value of minerals mined from asteroids is just that. It also usually fails to take into account what happens to the price of a commodity once you introduce a huge new amount into existing supplies. Point is, Elon musk and others aren’t saving the planet through extraterrestrial mining, and post-scarcity ain’t gonna happen because for all intents and purposes, the earth is a closed system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EdamAnchorman Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Nice, looks fully electric but I don't think that glass is bulletproof, might be golf ball-proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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may be rude Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) Elon Musk Returns With New Song "Don’t Doubt Ur Vibe" Edited January 31, 2020 by very honest 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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may be rude Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 kind of lynchian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxx Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 DJ cut 45 rpm on Anjunabeats when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 All of that gear and still sounds like crap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 lol, way too generic and pop like but I've certainly heard worse. I can see how this caters to Tesla fans (exclusively upper middle class man-child nerds working in media). They probably think it's cutting edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 6:15 PM, MIXL2 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 lol i love elon musk now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomTssPhace Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Elon: take a pic of me touching the slider thing. Ok wait take one more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Muskmelon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nebraska Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Quote Hot Wheels® packs the power and performance of the futuristic Cybertruck into two small-scale, remote-control vehicles: a track-compatible 1:64 scale and a limited-edition hobby grade 1:10 scale. It’s the only way to drive the Cybertruck in 2020! https://www.mattelcreations.com/?icid=home_body-1_aspot_mattel-creations_p1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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