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I am of the view that creating subforums is not a reasonable way to grow content. Surely the subforums should be developed as a mechanism to house overgrown content that has demonstrated a need for its own place on the forum, not a guiding force for what we should be talking about.  If we had multiple threads for every AF release, discussion around AF aesthetics, wants and wishes for future AF releases, questions around what the AF guy ate for breakfast... then at that point a subforum should be developed. WATMM is dying subforum when?

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^perhaps correct. but solely for the sake of discussion, i'll explain how i imagine it could be helpful: (just to continue using this example, not to single out any label or artist in particular...) i'd say dozens of AF threads is perhaps worthy of at least consideration for a subforum. benefits of this would include easy cross-population of similar artists obviously...but also having a 'place' like a subforum is, imo, good for reminding of older releases to help continue discussion...

specific example: no one is going to be 90 pages deep on the new releases subf and stumble across the Shinra - Meteor EP thread. it was last bumped in May of 2017, exactly 3 days after its release in fact according to the Bandcamp page. yet for the preceding month (announcement up to release i assume) it got a fair amount of attention, and nothing but praise from what i'm glancing at. then, it disappeared into page 2 then 3 then 10 then 50 of New Releases. unless someone is listening to that EP and searches for it and goes and bumps the thread, it's likely 'forgotten' (as far as its existence on WATMM is concerned). if it was instead one of 2 or 3 dozen AF threads in the AF subf then it's /much/ more likely someone's going to stumble across the thread and be reminded of it, want to pan it or praise it, maybe they'll be seeing it for the first time, whatever....which is the whole general point of a forum if i'm not mistaken :) 

but of course this is an idealized/imagined view. idk if it would actually work, hence the 'just try it and see if it works maybe?' overall push. further, i'd counter your argument with why the fuck is there a µ-Ziq subforum when, from what i just glanced at, there's been exactly 4 posts in exactly 1 thread in the past 10 months. not saying get rid of the subf for him altogether or whatever but simply: would WATMM be more active with an AF subforum or a µ-Ziq subforum? luckily we don't have to choose either/or, of course... just sorta, i guess, weighing things in my mind? maybe the tagging system is supposed to help with some of this, but is anyone really digging around on watmm threads using tags? idk, i'd say not likely. and i'm surely not suggesting everything needs a subforum or featured time or anything....mostly just saying that seems the easiest way to implement some things that might help change the dynamics a little. maybe it wouldn't do shit. maybe it'll just piss off all the old cunts milling about and make them leave (pls). maybe it'll mean one less inane aphex thread (srsly pls).

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the subforms do need an overhaul imo. aphex and ae are the only ones with much point anymore, but i kind of think the whole idea of a "big 5" or whatever of "IDM" artists is old hat and a bit embarrassing.

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41 minutes ago, BCM said:

the subforms do need an overhaul imo. aphex and ae are the only ones with much point anymore, but i kind of think the whole idea of a "big 5" or whatever of "IDM" artists is old hat and a bit embarrassing.

You’d like another big 5?

Well, good luck in agreeing which 5!

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roses are red,

WATMM is sad,

 

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:braindance:

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31 minutes ago, xox said:

You’d like another big 5?

Well, good luck in agreeing which 5!

Venetian Snares

OPN

DJ Nigga Fox

Jlin

Nina Kraviz

 

Obviously

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The Tuss

Polygon Window

AFX

Caustic Window

Aphex Twin

Bradley Strider

sorry, picked top 6

:aphexsign:

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yeah no more big anything. i'd fuck that idea off entirely and go with genre based subforums - techno, drum and bass, acid, electro etc. bit like a record shop.

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17 minutes ago, BCM said:

yeah no more big anything. i'd fuck that idea off entirely and go with genre based subforums - techno, drum and bass, acid, electro etc. bit like a record shop.

 

as long as one of the categories is "autechre" then yeah, fine by me.

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the BOC subforum should just link to twoism  icon_lol.gif

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a lot of the time the subforums get ramped up in activity with a new album release, and then you 've got one main thread where all the discussion is happening. the "Autechre exai album discussion" thread or whatever. but then someone will make a thread in New Releases as well and that'll only ramp up 2 pages of posts, with someone saying "huh guess noone is interested in the new autechre?".. then Rubin Farr or someone will create a thread in Music General along the lines of "Fact Magazine posted a Tweet about upcoming Autechre album" .. and now you've got 3 threads of discussion just about the same thing. and ultimately, all of this could be simplified if there was no autechre suforum and the discussion stayed in a single thread in Music Discussion alongside all the other new album and artist discussions. 

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fuck all the forums and subforums. let's just have one thread for everything.

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the WATMM is Dying thread will do. did you hear about the new autechre copyright licences for One Six? 

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tbh, the thing about new releases of artist which also have their own subforum is annoying as hell. that nonsense where there's basically the same thread in two subforums shouldn't be a thing. bit of a nerd angle, but can't we solve this by creating an alias or something? both directing to the same thread.

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1 hour ago, usagi said:

roses are red,

WATMM is sad,

I shall replace joyrex with usagi

As my idm dad

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can someone faceapp autechre (pls)

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On 7/21/2019 at 1:00 PM, eczem said:

Old Bean

 

On 7/21/2019 at 1:37 PM, hello spiral said:

Fuck me

fucking cunts  is fucking quality

 

 

On 7/21/2019 at 1:45 PM, drome said:

 fucking

 

On 7/21/2019 at 1:53 PM, hello spiral said:

fucking

 

On 7/21/2019 at 1:55 PM, drome said:

?

 

On 7/21/2019 at 2:13 PM, hello spiral said:

:wub:

 

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No worries, I am back, It will be back alive soon

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mozex saves the day. praise be upon thee

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The hero we deserve

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Salvation!

 

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15 hours ago, ligma said:

a major issue is the fact that the new chat feature is only truly functional (marginally) all-in on browser and not functional or below-functional on mobile. Discord has a dedicated app on mobile that is well beyond the functionality of the very bad and annoying chatbox on mobile, which has no history viewing, bad scrolling, clunky and bluky usage of font/size/color/link inclusion, posting images, etc. I'm certain you've seen and/or used discord on mobile, on desktop app and also through a browser before you chose to nix it as a viable chat option. I feel like rather than celebrate discord for its strengths, you knock it for the learning curve it requires to fully integrate with the site, and of course, the challenges it poses for you to fully control, moderate and ultimately censor it if something you don't like is posted. It feels to me like you only are concerned with your ability to control the discussion rather than include a truly functional and enjoyable chat experience. 

at the end of the day of course its your site and you make the big decisions, so if you're truly happy with the chat feature, then the users here have to accept that. on the other hand, you will also have to accept the fact that the users here will choose to use other platforms if this one does not suit their needs.

Well, I really didn't expect people to use Chat on Mobile, but I can see what the developer and I can do to improve the experience - you've mentioned a few things, so that's a start.

I've worked with the developer (who is very responsive to feedback) and they've added new features such as person-to-person chat, chat rooms, logs, etc. - you might be surprised at all that's been added since you probably last used it.

The biggest issue with the Discord is the fact that it's not part of WATMM - it's a separate site. Also, moderation is difficult there since it can tend to be a free for all and again, I don't want others' bad behaviour reflecting upon me/this site. It's very difficult to strike a balance between stifling discussion and allowing people the freedom to express themselves adequately.

14 hours ago, auxien said:

A couple posts after this I expanded partly on this idea (as i know you actually have a life unlike, ahem, some of the rest us). A trusted couple of mods who spared a few extra minutes every couple months, as a filter for the larger community, to implement different featured artist or label sections. Either permanent or temporary, depending on what felt right/worked. Wouldn't have to be anything more than a sidebar with FEATURED LABEL OF AUGUST: SHITFUCKER RECORDS! with a link to the most recent thread or two that's part of this (again, permanent or temporary) subforum. I'm not trying to overestimate the ease, but I'd imagine creating a new subforum under New & Upcoming Releases for labels (or under Featured Artists, wherever) wouldn't be much more difficult than deciding on a name and telling the main forum where that content lives, yeah? You've been experimenting with sidebars so i'd guess that aspect would be easy. Idk, just trying to be proactive i guess. Featured artists subs are pretty dead besides AE/AFX. Just start including others. If someone pulls a Vsnares and gets their panties in a wad at 'being featured on this forum' then fuck 'em, take the subf down. easy. Otherwise, try some shit out. Legowelt subforum when? hell, start a Tycho subforum if you really want, idc. :duckhunt: 

Why not an Analogic Force or CPU records subforum? These labels are generally hot and having dedicated areas to coordinate their releases would be great for their fans (re: the users here!) 

But ultimately letting a few trusted community members (i'd be worried about Featured Label decisions by polls/committee but maybe that would be fairest? idk) put in some effort with a couple mods to filter things out, you don't have to do much of anything at all Joyrex, or am i wrong? as long as it doesn't get out of hand with like 30 featured artists or a featured label subforum with zero interest, it COULD bring some freshness. but....

ultimately what i'm getting at is try a little something. doesn't have to be big or grand or whatever, or even any ideas i'm talking about. the new forum upgrade has been generally good and positive and we know you've talked about a BIG watmm 2.0 or something with lots of stuff but honestly that's been hinted at for years, and requires a lot of work on the back end i'd imagine and just doesn't seem very likely to actually happen. in the meantime at least just go where the community is going, gotta fight that staleness that feels present even with the new forum upgrade: the content is essentially the exact same (which is fine and great but it's not growing is my point). 

also, regarding other comments: it's still VERY much a boy's club here which i know you or anyone alone can't fix, but i think having the forum content stay fresh and diverse and interesting will hopefully attract a more diverse crowd and (i think i speak for almost everyone except the old wretched cunts here): a diverse crowd of people sharing music is a great thing for everyone involved.

The biggest issue with even temporary subforums for artists or labels is just like our Featured Artists, they can go dormant from time to time or permanently, and then you're left with exactly what you're citing the existing subforums for. The Music Discussion subforum was meant to fill that need of discussing other artists/labels, so I'm not sure if you're suggesting compartmentalizing it further or what...

I do agree that we need more hands-on community involvement, and one of the ideas I've had for some time is to have content contributors - not just on the forum, but for the eventual Discography and Articles section (I'm getting the main page laid out as far as getting back to publishing topical news about electronic music that will also generate a thread where people can discuss the news item), and other content ideas.

I get what you're saying about being a bit more experimental and just try something on the fly - I just worry that some might become Pandora's boxes and once they're out there, it's hard to roll them back/take it away.

The forum upgrade was primarily out of necessity due to the version of the software we were on no longer being supported, and the software finally giving me the features I needed to grow the site overall without a bunch of custom programming, which there still will be, but not as much as if I was designing and writing everything from scratch.

I'm surprised you say it's still very much a boy's club here - I haven't seen (nor have I had to issue any warnings regarding) pornography or "mature" content here that veers a bit too far from our musical mandate. If there are areas that I'm overlooking, please let me know and I'll do my best to address them.

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WATMM RADIO :nyan:

 

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