eczem Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Apologies if this has been previously discussed, couldn't find it here or in the AAA spreadsheet I've been thinking for a while that it'd be awesome to have Bob and Sam do a software application release, in the vein of Brian Eno: Reflections or Loscil: Adrift. Only, I think they could do way better/ more interesting. (i mean, gen~ exports code, so it wouldn't be too hard would it?) So what do i mean by "generative"? Really just two things: 1. some level of variation every time i press play, and 2. potentially endless play. User/listener input, while it could be interesting, is not required. But whereas the Loscil app has 4 individual endless "tracks," i think it would be cool if AE did something where the tracks morphed automatically, yet unpredictably. AE_Live showed us the flexibility of their system. I'm not sure if that variation was built into the system (based on a seed), or tweaked manually between shows, but any rate, it just needs to be built into the system for the app. I wouldn't care if this was some one off thing, a companion thing to an album/ep, or a release in and of itself. Maybe this strays too far from what they aim to achieve compositionally? What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 "Bob and Sam"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soloman Tump Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I would love and hate this. There would be other people listening to Autechre music that I would never be able to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitleyStriber Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 "Bob and Sam"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxus Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 *push button* *receive 32 hours of oversteps melodies* would be great. Laconicism is another generative music application i enjoyed very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purlieu Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I've been meaning to get some generative music apps as I think they might help me learn to love music in an ephemeral way rather than obsessing so much about getting to know every detail of a record by listening to it repeatedly. Or maybe I should be comfortable with how I enjoy music and not worry. I'd buy an Ae app anyway. Maybe they could do an update every two years instead of a new album. Sam pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Some interactive music would be cool. It could play beats using my heart rate as an input paramter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Sam pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KovalainenFanBoy Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 we already got over 8 hours of music and I can't sit through all of them so this would be of no use to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soloman Tump Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Icarus released a generative album a few year back where every copy was handed a different set of parameters. http://cdm.link/2012/02/making-digital-one-of-a-kind-inside-icarus-generative-album-in-1000-variations/ Sam and Ollie, pls I got #102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXTRASUPER81 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I would love and hate this. There would be other people listening to Autechre music that I would never be able to hear. Same, couldn't take the FOMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1000 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Selected Generative Works by Bob & Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 stop generative pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eczem Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 "Bob and Sam"? Sorry Joyrex, meant to use their proper names Samwise Booth and Rabagast the Brown. (no disrespect intended here, just conforming to the watmm autechre name butchering convention. AE are my favorite) I would love and hate this. There would be other people listening to Autechre music that I would never be able to hear. But then the upside is having a personally unique AE experience every time. I am starting to question, though, whether it's truly possible to program a pure generative program that reflects the quality of their work. Like, could they program the things they would do compositionally in non-real time, as well things they might to do live on the fly? How can much of your self can you represent in code? Further pondering required here. stop generative pop If you're talking about the machine learning generated pop song thing, i agree, though i'm curious to have a listen to some of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eczem Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 Icarus released a generative album a few year back where every copy was handed a different set of parameters. http://cdm.link/2012/02/making-digital-one-of-a-kind-inside-icarus-generative-album-in-1000-variations/ Sam and Ollie, pls I got #102 Very nice, I'll have to check this out. Selected Generative Works by Bob & Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 you lost me at WATMM Probe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 "Bob and Sam"? hello spiral, on 27 Aug 2018 - 06:47 AM, said: ^same But hey, let's see if we can go this whole page overanalysing the living shit out of a sticker Spi "omfg aphex subforam is worst ever" Autechre subforum "we sperging over fuckan STICKER. NTS thread must have gaping anus in thread title beacase Bob & Sam must be put in my ass" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 It's a cool idea, I agree. Though I really doubt that I'd be able to "play" their software as well as they could, in terms of making it do interesting things or even just noticing when it's doing something interesting. And granted, it's nice that it would always sound different, but isn't that already true of Bob and Sam's fully "composed" music?* For me it would be more interesting in a 'looking under the hood' kind of way than as a novel musical experience... probably. *edit: i just meant perceptually ofc, obviously it's not literally musically different each time like this would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 They can't really do this because it will be reverse engineered and if it's using any shared library or monolithic functions, people will find them. If they obfuscated the Max/MSP script and embedded it in something it will still be reverse engineered trivially. There is no way to avoid reverse engineering without a super complex metamorphic engine but this will affect the result because the generation of the music is time-based and metamorphic modification of the executable will change timings. Sean or Rob, forgot who, said they don't want others to have their software and be able to make Autechre style music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 One thing that I do think would be really cool though is a session of "twitch plays Autechre" where they make a patch with a simplified interface to change high-level things using a big slab of knobs and sliders, and users can vote on how to move the knobs and sliders and you can hear the result, maybe kept online for 24h, but this also obviously undermines the artistic process and by oversimplifying it into knob twiddling and removing the sean/rob human element Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Yeah, I think this is not technologically feasible, but maybe a webcast that plays endless variations of their patches or tracks or whatever you want to call them? That could be doable. Radio Autechre. I had this idea some years ago already of creating an ambient net radio that would use generative algorithms to create the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaderpansen Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Yeah, I think this is not technologically feasible, but maybe a webcast that plays endless variations of their patches or tracks or whatever you want to call them? That could be doable. Radio Autechre. I had this idea some years ago already of creating an ambient net radio that would use generative algorithms to create the music. I remember something like that from the early/mid 00s but it's been offline now for quite a while: https://web.archive.org/web/20050205215336/http://r4nd.org:80/rand_home.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soloman Tump Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Yeah, I think this is not technologically feasible, but maybe a webcast that plays endless variations of their patches or tracks or whatever you want to call them? That could be doable. Radio Autechre. I had this idea some years ago already of creating an ambient net radio that would use generative algorithms to create the music. I remember something like that from the early/mid 00s but it's been offline now for quite a while: https://web.archive.org/web/20050205215336/http://r4nd.org:80/rand_home.html Basically an Autechre numbers station..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Yeah, I think this is not technologically feasible, but maybe a webcast that plays endless variations of their patches or tracks or whatever you want to call them? That could be doable. Radio Autechre. I had this idea some years ago already of creating an ambient net radio that would use generative algorithms to create the music. I remember something like that from the early/mid 00s but it's been offline now for quite a while: https://web.archive.org/web/20050205215336/http://r4nd.org:80/rand_home.html Yeah, there are probably more of these. The generative music got a little bit of a bad reputation as being purely academic experimentation. Like you can hear generative audio installations at art exhibitions sometimes but it doesn't seem to break through into the general electronic music scene. But Autechre have pushed their tool-set so far ahead that it could be feasible for them to put out something totally generative that would have a wider listener base beyond the avant-garde art crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entorwellian Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 I would love more than anything to get ahold of Autechre's hard drive, but I think it would spell the death of their career because their attraction isn't only their output but also the mystery of their software and programming. Maybe when they retire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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