Russia is now bombing Ukraine

[usagi]

^ yep. Twitter/social media should be treated as a grey zone, always.

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54 minutes ago, nikisoko said:

i’d just be weary of this kind of stuff since during the Mueller investigation there weee are kinda of people on twitter claiming to have credible inside information that would somehow predict the future. it was all either complete bs or flat out wrong. false hope is a tempting thing in situations like this.

yes. the difference between "seems legit" and "legit" is a significant gap, and it's a vulnerability that's exploited. what the bellingcat guy said was that there are some indications of authenticity, and he lays out those data points for transparency. this is exactly the kind of forgery fsb would try to leak and we should expect they will try things like that. though it may be perfectly legit, we just don't know.

 

there's also just internet fan fic that we have to worry about

 

 

anyway

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by trying to be less rude

[Milwaukeeeee]

denazification man

https://9gag.com/gag/aWg4eV3

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they deleted rt from yt

[Milwaukeeeee]

1 hour ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

they deleted rt from yt

In this case maybe you are correct, let us have the legitimate right to see at least the RT, sputnik, etc bullshit and form our own opinion about different kinds of biased data from different sources.... censoring russian channels is becoming aswell totalitarian and polarizing.

This woman supposedly activist anti-kremlin and then editor in chief of RT, resigned. Damn these russians do not trust themselves. Bismark was right

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10589863/Editor-chief-Russia-Today-resigns-Ukraine-invasion-branding-government-totalitarian.html

Edited March 13, 2022 by Milwaukeeeee

[chenGOD]

13 hours ago, nikisoko said:

i’d just be weary of this kind of stuff since during the Mueller investigation there weee are kinda of people on twitter claiming to have credible inside information that would somehow predict the future. it was all either complete bs or flat out wrong. false hope is a tempting thing in situations like this.

To be fair to this guy - at least he is suggesting the letters get checked for accuracy:

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1503097725918728194?s=20&t=mDYyyy3z0wOubzT-eP0_uQ

 

[dcom]

6 hours ago, Milwaukeeeee said:

censoring russian channels is becoming aswell totalitarian and polarizing.

I don't think dropping the main Russian government propaganda channel from everywhere is a bad thing. It might not turn your brain instantly into sewer sludge like Fox News does, but it's still nothing but lies. It's a public service to not subject anyone to it. If someone really, REALLY wants to watch RT, it's not hard to find.

[ignatius]

if someone wants 'both sides' of the media stream go on gab or telegram. russia is way deep into the telegram channels spreading all kinds of shit about george soros influencing russia via ukraine and chemical weapons labs and bioweapon labs and adrenochrome harvesting sites etc all in ukraine and that's why putin is invading. he's targeting the child sex trafficking hubs in ukraine etc etc.. 

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22 hours ago, ignatius said:

if someone wants 'both sides' of the media stream go on gab or telegram. russia is way deep into the telegram channels spreading all kinds of shit about george soros influencing russia via ukraine and chemical weapons labs and bioweapon labs and adrenochrome harvesting sites etc all in ukraine and that's why putin is invading. he's targeting the child sex trafficking hubs in ukraine etc etc.. 

im suspicious of the idea russia is doing it lol.  i know lots of conspiracy theory people and they do this stuff themselves

[ignatius]

1 hour ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

im suspicious of the idea russia is doing it lol.  i know lots of conspiracy theory people and they do this stuff themselves

oh no doubt.. i assume that seeds get planted and then that shit takes on a life of its own but also no doubt that russian troll farms.. or whatever euphemism they're officially called.. is doing its best to spread all kinds of disinfo and seeing what takes hold.  i mean.. why would they suddenly stop doing these things? if anything they're doing it more.. or perhaps it's just another day and they're 9-5 cranking out the bullshit and developing strategies.  we know they have the ability and are good at it and do it all the time. 

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Edited March 15, 2022 by ignatius

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[zero]

armchair quarterback time - if Putin ultimately destroys key infrastructure in all the major Ukrainian metro areas, then what? play king of the castle to empty buildings and rubble? he would have to rebuild everything in order to have any sort of chance of gaining control over the remaining hostile population. but with what resources to do so? so then it becomes destroying everything for destructions sake, declaring victory, and then putting in a puppet group of leaders there to be hated. this doesn't seem like much of a long term plan, and will lead to continued conflict until both sides have been ground down morally to a pulp.

I think it will be up to the Russian population to turn on Putin to end this. but this seems next to impossible to happen at this point, unless some massive revolutionary shift happens involving millions of people. Putin and all his Kremlin ilk will need to be gone, which would likely mean they're dead. Putin stepping down and nominating a successor won't work, since he did that before and it was a sham. plus he's too far down the totalitarian rabbit hole to step down anyway. he's 69 years old. he won't be dead naturally for another 20-30 years. 

maybe the Russian military fighting right now will eventually turn on the state and stop this? they sure aren't getting the good end of the stick here. even if they "win" they are going home to a country in massive economic turmoil. they of course must recognize they aren't freeing anyone from anything in Ukraine. if they did turn, it would also have to be on a massive scale. a small fraction of dissenters would end up killed by other Russians.

and in the meantime, civilians keep getting killed. this is so confusing, pointless, frustrating, I don't even know anymore... not looking to argue about nazis or Syria here. just using this board to write thoughts out.

 

[zkom]

Not verified but funny: ‘Too insane for us’ Kim humiliates Putin after Russia begs North Korea for help https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1580806/russia-news-kim-jong-un-vladimir-putin-begs-help-north-korea-ukraine

Also China's "friendship" with Russia is not that strong maybe?

This can't be good for the Russia's partnerships: Russia to suspend grain exports to Eurasian Economic Union until Aug 31 https://www.reuters.com/business/russia-suspend-grain-exports-eurasian-economic-union-until-aug-31-2022-03-10/

And..

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Putin's strongman image is not going to tuck tail and leave. He will go to the brutal end. I worry so much this is going to spill into nato countries and then China get involved. etc etc.. ww3

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4 hours ago, zkom said:

Not verified but funny: ‘Too insane for us’ Kim humiliates Putin after Russia begs North Korea for help https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1580806/russia-news-kim-jong-un-vladimir-putin-begs-help-north-korea-ukraine

Also China's "friendship" with Russia is not that strong maybe?

This can't be good for the Russia's partnerships: Russia to suspend grain exports to Eurasian Economic Union until Aug 31 https://www.reuters.com/business/russia-suspend-grain-exports-eurasian-economic-union-until-aug-31-2022-03-10/

And..

seems fake, dprk formerly came out strongly in support of russia

id like to see official chinese and dprk sources not some weird twitter posts and french websites

seems fabricated to play into the western slander of dprk as "crazy" with dprk saying "putin you are even crazier than us". so in other words utterly fabricated western propaganda

Edited March 15, 2022 by ilqx hermolia xpli

[zazen]

4 hours ago, zero said:

armchair quarterback time - ...

 

I'm all for armchair quarterbacking.

Yes its clear Russia can't 'hold' Ukraine, even if they capture Kyiv.  I think they know they have made a mistake, if they withdraw with Ukraine not joining nato they can claim a victory.

Even if they withdrew tomorrow and sanctions ended, Russias economy is wrecked. The stock market is not re-opening for years, no russian businesses can raise investment from the stock market, Europe and USA pledging to buy less oil/gas.

Russias military has been revealed as poorly maintained and badly organised. Thats quite a suprise, and quite a problem for them.

But yeah Putin will carry on. I think militarily its heading for a long seige of Kyiv, and Kyiv could stand for a long time with European supplies coming in. Then meanwhile economic warfare between Russia and the west, which will affect everyone (energy prices, food supplies etc) but hurt Russia more. And then that continues until the Oligarchs and whatnot decide to get rid of Putin and put in someone easier for them to control.

The Russian people are like a sea being held back by Putins tight control and propaganda. Once the other powers in Russia (oligarchs, mafia) start to turn against Putin, the wall holding the Russian people back crumbles and they will rush in. But it will be the oligarchs and mafia in the background positioning themselves to make sure whatever new government forms will be working for them. So the people will play a part, but probably not get much out of it other than another slightly less bad gangster.

 

[zkom]

29 minutes ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

seems fake, dprk formerly came out strongly in support of russia

id like to see official chinese and dprk sources not some weird twitter posts and french websites

seems fabricated to play into the western slander of dprk as "crazy" with dprk saying "putin you are even crazier than us". so in other words utterly fabricated western propaganda

Yes, as I said it's unverified but funny. I don't think it's true.

Russia and DRPK are bff because Kim sends his citizens to work as slaves in Russia for peanuts https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-33614982

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44 minutes ago, zkom said:

Yes, as I said it's unverified but funny. I don't think it's true.

Russia and DRPK are bff because Kim sends his citizens to work as slaves in Russia for peanuts https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-33614982

the text description of the video provides no sources, the video itself is just a bunch of innocuous videos of construction workers with the narrator making all of the claims, then there's some random person wearing a hoody supposedly saying what is being translated.  you'll have to forgive me for not trusting bbc's sparkling record on human rights

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31 minutes ago, zazen said:

Even if they withdrew tomorrow and sanctions ended, Russias economy is wrecked. The stock market is not re-opening for years, no russian businesses can raise investment from the stock market, Europe and USA pledging to buy less oil/gas.

it's all a no win situation. Russia's economy remaining in tatters for a lengthy period is ultimately going to lead to a humanitarian crisis in that country at some point. my guess is everyone's day to day life in Russia right now is somehow effected, but not in a way that is dire just yet. once people can't get all the things they were once accustomed to, and possibly food becomes an issue, then I would think it is only a matter of time before they realize something is not adding up with the state's messaging.

I read an article somewhere that Russia's population in some way knows they are being lied to, as that's all they've really been subjected to all their lives from the propaganda machine, whether soviet or not. but they accept the lies, as there's really no means for them to fight back against this. and if they did fight back, for it to really change anything. all the decades of being lied to have changed they way Russian people think on things. the "grey area" Russian's are typically known to mentally reside in ("could be this, or could be that") has come about thanks to their leadership doing this to the population for decades (centuries?).

side note - some of my closest IRL friends are from Russia. guys I've known for 25 or so years, and no doubt will know till the end. had many good talks and heard plenty of first hand stories about all the fun they had growing up back in 1980's commie motherland. I have nothing but respect for Russian people, and optimistically was always hoping for more global partnerships with Russia. I remember back in like 2000 when Putin first came on the scene, there was such a hopefulness that this could be a positive chapter for Russia, and they could become a more trusted voice on the world stage. sadly though, history repeats, and it's looking like USSR 2.0 is the direction the country is heading toward...and heading there fast, thanks to this complete and total clusterfuck in Ukraine.

[zlemflolia]

28 minutes ago, zero said:

it's all a no win situation. Russia's economy remaining in tatters for a lengthy period is ultimately going to lead to a humanitarian crisis in that country at some point. my guess is everyone's day to day life in Russia right now is somehow effected, but not in a way that is dire just yet. once people can't get all the things they were once accustomed to, and possibly food becomes an issue, then I would think it is only a matter of time before they realize something is not adding up with the state's messaging.

I read an article somewhere that Russia's population in some way knows they are being lied to, as that's all they've really been subjected to all their lives from the propaganda machine, whether soviet or not. but they accept the lies, as there's really no means for them to fight back against this. and if they did fight back, for it to really change anything. all the decades of being lied to have changed they way Russian people think on things. the "grey area" Russian's are typically known to mentally reside in ("could be this, or could be that") has come about thanks to their leadership doing this to the population for decades (centuries?).

side note - some of my closest IRL friends are from Russia. guys I've known for 25 or so years, and no doubt will know till the end. had many good talks and heard plenty of first hand stories about all the fun they had growing up back in 1980's commie motherland. I have nothing but respect for Russian people, and optimistically was always hoping for more global partnerships with Russia. I remember back in like 2000 when Putin first came on the scene, there was such a hopefulness that this could be a positive chapter for Russia, and they could become a more trusted voice on the world stage. sadly though, history repeats, and it's looking like USSR 2.0 is the direction the country is heading toward...and heading there fast, thanks to this complete and total clusterfuck in Ukraine.

USSR 2.0?  you really think Russia is heading towards socialism?  I read this post as absolutely absurd.  Russia's population is being lied to?  Yes, every single population gets lied to under privately owned media.  Heading towards socialism?  That would be great, I wish.  Not gonna happen.  The only hope of it happening is if the CPRF takes over when Putin loses power and this would be a great opportunity to do it when the world is cutting them off and forcing isolationism, a problem solved by socialism in one country of the USSR.

[zlemflolia]

its disgusting when victims of western economic sanctions are blamed instead of the western countries imposing the sanctions.  it happens over and over again.  the west sanctions countries who don't do exactly what they want then the people suffer.  and it's the country's fault somehow.  no, it is america's fault.

[Milwaukeeeee]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

https://euromaidanpress.com/2016/01/26/how-alexander-dugins-neo-eurasianists-geared-up-for-the-russian-ukrainian-war-in-2005-2013/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alexander-dugin-the-crazy-ideologue-of-the-new-russian-empire?ref=scroll

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Youth_Union

Dugin  maybe the satanist behind this Putin war nonsense, the guy studied tantric magicians like Julies Évola and stuff. Pure nazi esotericism magicks ideals. The Z and V Symbols are  some clearly hermetic V for Vendetta Aleister Crowley shit

Edited March 15, 2022 by Milwaukeeeee

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https://providencemag.com/2019/07/west-overestimates-aleksandr-dugins-influence-russia/

 

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48 minutes ago, Milwaukeeeee said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

https://euromaidanpress.com/2016/01/26/how-alexander-dugins-neo-eurasianists-geared-up-for-the-russian-ukrainian-war-in-2005-2013/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alexander-dugin-the-crazy-ideologue-of-the-new-russian-empire?ref=scroll

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Youth_Union

Dugin  maybe the satanist behind this Putin war nonsense, the guy studied tantric magicians like Julies Évola and stuff. Pure nazi esotericism magicks ideals. The Z and V Symbols are  some clearly hermetic V for Vendetta Aleister Crowley shit

welcome to the world youth but lol @crowley

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