Nine Inch Nails - Hesitation Marks

[spptrl alt del]

duly noted

[spptrl alt del]

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/04/218961237/trent-reznor-im-not-the-same-person-i-was-20-years-ago

[Goiter Sanchez]

Some extra stuff:

 

42 minute long talk about the album from Trenty Trent -

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdKCVSBrV1I

 

Demos/cut stuff from the album from that talk:

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-BpIcD1-rk

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By-PrCMlBlI

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4y6JYLCo

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhQ9x4zPLrs

 

 

 

Thanks for posting this, enjoyable listen. And yes, there is something mesmerizing about Reznor's dulcet tone.

[awepittance]

I'm gonna go grab this on vinyl at some point the week. Enough of the tracks caught my ear and grew on me. At first I was appalled at the few singles that leaked both by legit release or live but the album in a whole has enough solid tracks to warrant a purchase. I also feel bad for pirating every NIN album since The Fragile, tho I do own almost every single Halo up until that point.

lol

[Joyrex]

i find it mesmerizing how humorless he sounds when speaking, he has such an overly serious tone of his voice it's weirding me out. I think the guy could use a little bit of recreational drug use, he doesn't seem any happier after obtaining his double D hot gf

Or, he was just bored with the interview like most artists are who have to endlessly promote their music.

[Guest RadarJammer]

is he audiophile or audio failure?

http://productionadvice.co.uk/nine-inch-nails/

[modey]

I really don't get it. I think the mastering on the 'loudness war' version sounds fucking perfect. Are those guys only happy if there's NO compression used at all? That's fucking idiotic.

[xox]

I really don't get it. I think the mastering on the 'loudness war' version sounds fucking perfect. Are those guys only happy if there's NO compression used at all? That's fucking idiotic.

 

Compare it to some albums with a wide dynamic range and then you'll get it but as i've said earlier i think it was probably over-compressed during the mixing stage also so the alternate mastering wont help much.

Edited September 5, 2013 by xox

[modey]

How much dynamic range are you expecting from a synthpop album though?

[xox]

The album could have easily be made to have dr of 10-12 dB and still to sound solid and punchy not like this p.of shit that it is now.

 

How much dynamic range are you expecting from a synthpop album though?

 

 

I'm mean reznor bought ssl duality 48 mixing console (about $250.000) + lots of high end out-board gear + for a studio + high end monitoring and converters = $500k - $1 million for what?! For this? what a waste!

[awepittance]

 

i find it mesmerizing how humorless he sounds when speaking, he has such an overly serious tone of his voice it's weirding me out. I think the guy could use a little bit of recreational drug use, he doesn't seem any happier after obtaining his double D hot gf

Or, he was just bored with the interview like most artists are who have to endlessly promote their music.

 

but it seems like something he set up himself, no? I understood it as an official, from the NIN headquarters 'talk' about the album, not a press interview

[modey]

The album could have easily be made to have dr of 10-12 dB and still to sound solid and punchy not like this p.of shit that it is now.

I really do not understand how you think it sounds like shit.

[xox]

 

The album could have easily be made to have dr of 10-12 dB and still to sound solid and punchy not like this p.of shit that it is now.

I really do not understand how you think it sounds like shit.

 

 

It sounds polished (too much ???) in general, yes (when you invest so much money of course it is polished), but it's also over-compressed that it discords (not in a pleasant way) all the time and there's no life in the sound what so ever except from sudden bursts of volume but from a channel's fader automations only. It sounds tooo aggressive (the sound it self, not talking about the music) and unnecessarily squizzzzed beyond all limits. What about the sound should i like here? If you do that's ok, just i don't. I see how things could be better.

 

The good things about the sound are excellent spacing/panning and the polishedness sounds seductive if you're listening too much of indie music.

[modey]

I dunno. Maybe I just like my music compressed. I like when it sounds like one unit (sounds influencing each other etc.) rather than having things sticking out. I'm guilty of chucking my own music through some fairly brutal compression at the mastering stage because it just sounds pleasant to my ears. I don't have everything pumping though, and I didn't hear any obvious ridiculousness in this album either. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. I'm listening with my ears and not with graphs.

[jules]

I think it sounds awesome too

 

pissing all over it because of the price of his mixing board is a fucking lol

Edited September 6, 2013 by jules

[Goiter Sanchez]

is he audiophile or audio failure?

http://productionadvice.co.uk/nine-inch-nails/

Nine Inch Fails.

[Dale]

I think this is actually a pretty good record. Much better than The Slip and Year Zero. Sounds like he has combined various elements from prior releases. I hear bits of With Teeth, the distorted elements of Year Zero, and some of the tinkering style from the Ghosts tracks. Once again, the lyrics don't do much for me, but the musical production is excellent. Plenty of catchy hooks which will keep me coming back to this record in the future.

 

edit: If you listen carefully, there are some musical segments that seem reminiscent of Pretty Hate Machine and Downward Spiral. E.g. Satellite - the lyrics and the way they're sung sounds like it could have been something from the PHM era.

Edited September 6, 2013 by Bread

[mcbpete]

 

is he audiophile or audio failure?

http://productionadvice.co.uk/nine-inch-nails/

Nine Inch Fails.

 

Aye apparently this is the difference -

 

foobar2000 1.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1

log date: 2013-09-03 12:01:06

 

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Analyzed: Nine Inch Nails / Hesitation Marks (Audiophile Mastered Version)

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DR Peak RMS Duration Track

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DR9 -1.51 dB -18.62 dB 0:52 01-The Eater Of Dreams

DR5 -0.05 dB -7.97 dB 5:23 02-Copy Of A

DR5 -0.05 dB -6.65 dB 5:17 03-Came Back Haunted

DR5 -0.05 dB -8.34 dB 5:16 04-Find My Way

DR7 -0.05 dB -9.55 dB 6:18 05-All Time Low

DR6 -0.05 dB -8.83 dB 5:44 06-Disappointed

DR5 -0.05 dB -6.82 dB 3:20 07-Everything

DR7 -0.05 dB -9.35 dB 5:03 08-Satellite

DR5 -0.05 dB -8.34 dB 5:01 09-Various Methods Of Escape

DR6 -0.05 dB -7.21 dB 4:08 10-Running

DR6 -0.05 dB -7.79 dB 4:33 11-I Would For You

DR7 -0.05 dB -10.89 dB 5:32 12-In Two

DR7 0.00 dB -9.10 dB 4:03 13-While I'm Still Here

DR5 0.00 dB -7.73 dB 1:29 14-Black Noise

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Number of tracks: 14

Official DR value: DR6

 

Samplerate: 48000 Hz

Channels: 2

Bits per sample: 24

Bitrate: 1607 kbps

Codec: FLAC

================================================================================

 

vs:

 

foobar2000 1.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1

log date: 2013-09-03 12:02:30

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Analyzed: Nine Inch Nails / Hesitation Marks

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DR Peak RMS Duration Track

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DR9 -0.19 dB -16.92 dB 0:52 01-The Eater of Dreams

DR4 0.00 dB -7.04 dB 5:23 02-Copy of A

DR4 0.00 dB -5.81 dB 5:17 03-Came Back Haunted

DR6 0.00 dB -8.43 dB 5:16 04-Find My Way

DR5 0.00 dB -7.16 dB 6:18 05-All Time Low

DR6 0.00 dB -8.62 dB 5:44 06-Disappointed

DR4 0.00 dB -5.24 dB 3:20 07-Everything

DR5 0.00 dB -6.89 dB 5:03 08-Satellite

DR5 0.00 dB -8.01 dB 5:01 09-Various Methods of Escape

DR7 0.00 dB -8.06 dB 4:08 10-Running

DR5 0.00 dB -6.76 dB 4:33 11-I Would For You

DR6 0.00 dB -9.34 dB 5:32 12-In Two

DR8 0.00 dB -9.29 dB 4:03 13-While I'm Still Here

DR4 0.00 dB -6.62 dB 1:29 14-Black Noise

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Number of tracks: 14

Official DR value: DR5

 

Samplerate: 44100 Hz

Channels: 2

Bits per sample: 16

Bitrate: 822 kbps

Codec: FLAC

================================================================================

I.e. Basically no difference at all

[Goiter Sanchez]

 

 

is he audiophile or audio failure?

http://productionadvice.co.uk/nine-inch-nails/

Nine Inch Fails.

 

Aye apparently this is the difference -

 

foobar2000 1.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1

log date: 2013-09-03 12:01:06

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Analyzed: Nine Inch Nails / Hesitation Marks (Audiophile Mastered Version)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

DR Peak RMS Duration Track

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DR9 -1.51 dB -18.62 dB 0:52 01-The Eater Of Dreams

DR5 -0.05 dB -7.97 dB 5:23 02-Copy Of A

DR5 -0.05 dB -6.65 dB 5:17 03-Came Back Haunted

DR5 -0.05 dB -8.34 dB 5:16 04-Find My Way

DR7 -0.05 dB -9.55 dB 6:18 05-All Time Low

DR6 -0.05 dB -8.83 dB 5:44 06-Disappointed

DR5 -0.05 dB -6.82 dB 3:20 07-Everything

DR7 -0.05 dB -9.35 dB 5:03 08-Satellite

DR5 -0.05 dB -8.34 dB 5:01 09-Various Methods Of Escape

DR6 -0.05 dB -7.21 dB 4:08 10-Running

DR6 -0.05 dB -7.79 dB 4:33 11-I Would For You

DR7 -0.05 dB -10.89 dB 5:32 12-In Two

DR7 0.00 dB -9.10 dB 4:03 13-While I'm Still Here

DR5 0.00 dB -7.73 dB 1:29 14-Black Noise

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Number of tracks: 14

Official DR value: DR6

 

Samplerate: 48000 Hz

Channels: 2

Bits per sample: 24

Bitrate: 1607 kbps

Codec: FLAC

================================================================================

 

vs:

 

foobar2000 1.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1

log date: 2013-09-03 12:02:30

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Analyzed: Nine Inch Nails / Hesitation Marks

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

DR Peak RMS Duration Track

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DR9 -0.19 dB -16.92 dB 0:52 01-The Eater of Dreams

DR4 0.00 dB -7.04 dB 5:23 02-Copy of A

DR4 0.00 dB -5.81 dB 5:17 03-Came Back Haunted

DR6 0.00 dB -8.43 dB 5:16 04-Find My Way

DR5 0.00 dB -7.16 dB 6:18 05-All Time Low

DR6 0.00 dB -8.62 dB 5:44 06-Disappointed

DR4 0.00 dB -5.24 dB 3:20 07-Everything

DR5 0.00 dB -6.89 dB 5:03 08-Satellite

DR5 0.00 dB -8.01 dB 5:01 09-Various Methods of Escape

DR7 0.00 dB -8.06 dB 4:08 10-Running

DR5 0.00 dB -6.76 dB 4:33 11-I Would For You

DR6 0.00 dB -9.34 dB 5:32 12-In Two

DR8 0.00 dB -9.29 dB 4:03 13-While I'm Still Here

DR4 0.00 dB -6.62 dB 1:29 14-Black Noise

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Number of tracks: 14

Official DR value: DR5

 

Samplerate: 44100 Hz

Channels: 2

Bits per sample: 16

Bitrate: 822 kbps

Codec: FLAC

================================================================================

I.e. Basically no difference at all

 

I want my peaks and valleys back.

[Dale]

so where do people generally rate this amongst the rest of nin's discography?

[modey]

Well, I think it's definitely the best thing he's done since Still.. I mean, it's no Fragile, but it's still pretty fucking amazing imo.

[xox]

the video and the measurements confirm my initial analysis and objections

 

 

 

 

is he audiophile or audio failure?
http://productionadvice.co.uk/nine-inch-nails/

Nine Inch Fails.

 

Aye apparently this is the difference -

foobar2000 1.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2013-09-03 12:01:06

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Analyzed: Nine Inch Nails / Hesitation Marks (Audiophile Mastered Version)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DR Peak RMS Duration Track
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DR9 -1.51 dB -18.62 dB 0:52 01-The Eater Of Dreams
DR5 -0.05 dB -7.97 dB 5:23 02-Copy Of A
DR5 -0.05 dB -6.65 dB 5:17 03-Came Back Haunted
DR5 -0.05 dB -8.34 dB 5:16 04-Find My Way
DR7 -0.05 dB -9.55 dB 6:18 05-All Time Low
DR6 -0.05 dB -8.83 dB 5:44 06-Disappointed
DR5 -0.05 dB -6.82 dB 3:20 07-Everything
DR7 -0.05 dB -9.35 dB 5:03 08-Satellite
DR5 -0.05 dB -8.34 dB 5:01 09-Various Methods Of Escape
DR6 -0.05 dB -7.21 dB 4:08 10-Running
DR6 -0.05 dB -7.79 dB 4:33 11-I Would For You
DR7 -0.05 dB -10.89 dB 5:32 12-In Two
DR7 0.00 dB -9.10 dB 4:03 13-While I'm Still Here
DR5 0.00 dB -7.73 dB 1:29 14-Black Noise
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks: 14
Official DR value: DR6

Samplerate: 48000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 1607 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================

vs:

foobar2000 1.2 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2013-09-03 12:02:30

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Analyzed: Nine Inch Nails / Hesitation Marks
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DR Peak RMS Duration Track
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DR9 -0.19 dB -16.92 dB 0:52 01-The Eater of Dreams
DR4 0.00 dB -7.04 dB 5:23 02-Copy of A
DR4 0.00 dB -5.81 dB 5:17 03-Came Back Haunted
DR6 0.00 dB -8.43 dB 5:16 04-Find My Way
DR5 0.00 dB -7.16 dB 6:18 05-All Time Low
DR6 0.00 dB -8.62 dB 5:44 06-Disappointed
DR4 0.00 dB -5.24 dB 3:20 07-Everything
DR5 0.00 dB -6.89 dB 5:03 08-Satellite
DR5 0.00 dB -8.01 dB 5:01 09-Various Methods of Escape
DR7 0.00 dB -8.06 dB 4:08 10-Running
DR5 0.00 dB -6.76 dB 4:33 11-I Would For You
DR6 0.00 dB -9.34 dB 5:32 12-In Two
DR8 0.00 dB -9.29 dB 4:03 13-While I'm Still Here
DR4 0.00 dB -6.62 dB 1:29 14-Black Noise
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks: 14
Official DR value: DR5

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 822 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================

I.e. Basically no difference at all

 

I want my peaks and valleys back.

 

[Guest zaphod]

flol, dynamic range day? really?

[beerwolf]

Still haven't heard this but BBC6 played Everything yesterday morning. TR does New Order/Joy Divion? Thankyou very much, very tasty indeed.

[Ivan Ooze]

this is the first NIN i got since the fragile, i gave it 3 spins its good!