What Are You Having For Dinner

[andihow]

cum

[hello spiral]

[Candiru]

Beer and the fond memories of what I ate for lunch

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should i get a burger and chips or should i go for a club sandwich salad and chips, or chicken schnitzel salad chips and a prawn (shrimp) entré or should i go and get yakisoba.

 

I'll leave it up to watmm to decide

 

/knows they won't give a fuck, so will probably get what's got the least customers when i'm walking around the mall. Waiting is a pain in the arse.

[Rubin Farr]

baked ziti, french fries, and Blackthorn

[YEK]

[chenGOD]

Tonight we had locally caught sockeye salmon, which I then stuffed with a spinach, arugula, bell pepper and lemon zest mixture. Roasted over a bed of sliced baby potatoes, sides of grape tomatoes and homemade garlic bread. Washed down with a couple of glasses of a decent BC viognier from one of our favourite vineyards.

Champion night.

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i went for the burger and chips, it was the incorrect decision. It's funny, i was looking at the price of the beef yakisoba thinking ten dollars, that's a bit rich, because in my mind it's a cheap item, but then was quite happy to pay 24 bucks for a gourmet burger chips and a drink. lol i'm so daft. nwae, i then went round the mall looking for a lemon tart that didn't have meringue on it and settled for a place that had a fruit tart, which was adequate but the cappuccino was way too hot, like boiling, wtf guys, and not creamy underneath the foam. won't be going back there again. It's in an atrium that contains this giant arse display, rotating from a cross beam above the centre of that open space, that when you turn you back from it, are not looking at it, is causing the ambient light to constantly flicker, it's quite awful, i'm surprised that noone has had a fit whilst walking through there. i was explaining the concept to this random before i took my seat and he really didn't get what i was saying at all, well he got there after a bit, people really aren't very imaginative are they. This guy was quite far down the scale though, he thought the display was a projector, when you could clearly see the big LED pixels.

[Adieu]

 

just threw some stuff together.

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looks like it

 

 

 

/uuu burn ....

 

 

also the napkin and the floor say different.

[lala]

i think im going to have Ma-po tofu using quorn with fake rice. for breakfast. 0% carbs, 80% of the flavour

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enjoy your oestrogen mimicking compounds with that tofu.

 

100 % manboobs

[lala]

never thought of that, cheers. how much do i need to eat before i grow them

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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soybean-fertility-hormone-isoflavones-genistein/

 

 

Seeking healthful foods, Americans are eating more soy than ever. But recent research with animals shows that consuming large amounts could have harmful effects on female fertility and reproductive development.

Soy is ubiquitous in the American diet. Over a quarter of all infant formula sold is made with it, and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration promotes it in foods to reduce the risk of heart disease. School lunch programs across the country are even adding soy to hamburger patties.

Many of soy’s health benefits have been linked to isoflavones—plant compounds that mimic estrogen. But animal studies suggest that eating large amounts of those estrogenic compounds might reduce fertility in women, trigger premature puberty and disrupt development of fetuses and children.

Although most studies looking at the hormone-disrupting properties of genistein, the main isoflavone in soy, have been conducted in rodents, many scientists believe the findings may be relevant to humans as well.

“We know that too much genistein is not a good thing for a developing mouse; it may not be a good thing for a developing child,” said Retha Newbold, a developmental biologist at the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. More definitive answers, she said, may lay ahead in future long-term human studies.

Soy consumption in the U.S. has skyrocketed since the early 1990s, with soy food sales climbing from $300 million in 1992 to over $4 billion in 2008. Clinical studies have shown that eating soy can lower cholesterol as well as the risk for certain types of breast and prostate cancer.

But Newbold and other researchers are not convinced that eating more soy is healthy for everyone. Infants fed soy formula ingest six to 11 times more genistein on a bodyweight basis than the level known to cause hormonal effects in adults.

“Giving an infant or child estrogen is never a good thing,” said Newbold.

Though studies on the harmful effects of soy isoflavones in people have been limited and inconclusive, there’s strong evidence from animal studies that genistein alters reproduction and embryonic development, according to Newbold, a co-author of two of the new rodent studies.

In some lab studies, animals were fed doses similar to what people might get from a high-soy diet, which would be roughly 25 or more grams per day. Blood levels of genistein in people eating a lot of soy are generally in the range of one to five micromoles, or about one milligram of genistein circulating in the body of an average adult.

One study showed that genistein led to reduced fertility and abnormal embryo development in female mice. They were fed one to ten micromoles in their drinking water for four days. The highest doses were associated with fewer eggs that were successfully fertilized and increased cell death in developing embryos. Wen-Hsiung Chan at Chung Yuan Christian University in Taiwan conducted the study, which was published in July in the journal Reproductive Toxicology.

In another study, young female rats were fed high, medium, or low doses of genistein. Those fed the largest quantities from birth to weaning had reproductive effects later, including early puberty and irregular estrous cycles (similar to the menstrual cycle in humans). High doses also led to smaller litters.

The rats were tested before and during pregnancy, and then several generations of their offspring were examined. The study, by a team including Newbold and Barry Delclos of the National Center for Toxicological Research, was published in the journal in April.

In male rats, high doses led to abnormal growth of breast cells, but did not cause cancer or the feminization of reproductive organs, according to another study by Newbold and others published in November.

In those two studies, the rodents were fed at least five times more genistein than the amount that people would be exposed to through food, supplements or infant formula. Such a high dose was used because they wanted to test the effects of the maximum amount that could be ingested by the rats without severely limiting their ability to reproduce.

The growing body of research in recent years raises questions about possible risks to women trying to get pregnant, as well as to developing fetuses and infants who consume large amounts of genistein in formula, some researchers said.

The findings trouble Heather Patisaul, a developmental biologist at North Carolina State University, and others who study soy's impact on development.

“Our reproductive system and the rat reproductive system aren’t that different. The same hormones are involved," Patisaul said.

While any impacts on adult fertility are likely reversed by eating less soy, impacts on the reproductive tracts of infants could be permanent.

But to date, only one study has looked at the long-term effects of soy formula on reproductive development in people. It found that women fed soy formula as infants had slightly longer periods and more menstrual cramping than those who were not fed soy formula.

Brain development, which begins in the womb and continues through puberty, also may be altered by estrogen in soy, Patisaul said. It is controlled by a well-organized combination of genes and hormones. Introducing compounds that mimic estrogen could throw off the balance, with long-term impacts on behavior and brain chemistry.

Studying the health outcomes of fetal or early infant exposure can be difficult, according to Benson Akingbemi, a developmental biologist at Auburn University. Reproductive changes are often not apparent until adulthood.

Another difficulty is that infant formulas vary in isoflavone content depending on the type of soybean used and the conditions—such as soil type—that the beans were grown in, making dosage very hard to control.

In 2008, the American Association of Pediatricians reviewed all current scientific studies of the effects of soy formula on infants. There is no conclusive evidence that it harms infant development, reproduction or endocrine function, stated the American Association of Pediatricians.

Based on current research, “no changes in infant feeding practices are recommended,” wrote Haley Curtis, a scientific affairs specialist at the International Formula Council, in an email. “Infant formula is safe and nutritious.”

But Akingbemi believes that limiting exposure wouldn’t hurt.

“The current scientific evidence isn’t enough to say that exposure to these compounds is toxic, but we also can’t say with certainty that there is no effect,” he said.

Some researchers believe that waiting for proof from long-term human data may come at a price.

Patisaul compares the effects of genistein to Bisphenol A, or BPA, the estrogenic compound found in plastic bottles that many scientists suspect can harm brain and reproductive development.

“Genistein does the same thing and yet we are supposed to be eating tons of it because it’s supposedly healthy—it just doesn’t make sense,” she said.

[lala]

Just checked and ive gone up a cup size after my agedashi last night

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as my brother just said to me, those vegan mothers loading their children up with this shit have much to answer for. It's child abuse. And there is other literature that discusses likely impacts of oestrogen on the male, fully grown or otherwise, constitution. You have to wonder about the rates of gay, lesbian and trans today and whether the levels are perhaps beyond the norm, due to this and other factors in diet and our modern environment. As this isn't the only thing to watch for in the food supply, and the food supply isn't our body's only enemy. There is an whole range of things from flame retardants in furniture to the plastics we wrap our food in, that in some way alter the processes of our body negatively. And this stuff can be cumulative and have in combination a multiplying effect.

 

heh, happy foods thread guys.

i must say that i used to like drinking oat and soya milk together, it was something i looked forward to. But when i found that shit out, i stopped. ahh well.

Just checked and ive gone up a cup size after my agedashi last night

 

lol

[lala]

You have to wonder about the rates of gay, lesbian and trans today and whether the levels are perhaps beyond the norm, due to this and other factors in diet and our modern environment.

 

yeah i do sometimes ponder the same thing. bare bent fish everywhere

[Guest boo]

Delet just have some fucking oat and soy milk occasionally if you enjoy it so much (and because it's occasional you'll enjoy it even more). It won't harm you in any way FFS.

[Adieu]

looks like it

 

 

 

/uuu burn ....

 

 

also the napkin and the floor say different.

 

the napkin is from when I order chipotle, they always give a million napkins. The floor is concrete.

[Guest kymppinetti]

cum

[hello spiral]

Bunch of fresh oysters (turns out I still know how to open them)

 

In a bit, some sea bass filets

 

Wine

[baph]

estrogen pills and homosexual sauce

[caze]

[caze]

 

I used to eat Rich Tea biscuits with a mint toothpaste spread on when I was a child, mmmm. fluoride.

[Squee]