Aphex Twin The Caustic Window LP (CAT023) Kickstarter FAQ - LIVE NOW!

[Root5]

*pant* Just finished the thread.

 

Looking forward to hearing the music, and glad to be a part of this. Thanks Papa!

[Guest Papillon]

 

 

Some of the comments over at the kick start page are getting obnoxious. Karen Yoon said "As a backer, I am beginning to feel uncertain about this campaign." And then later "I also have second thoughts about giving all that cash to the seller who posted it for sale on discogs. It feels like we are encouraging such practices, which feels kind of gross"....

 

It's funny how some people have a sense of self-righteousness. I mean who gives a shit about how she "feels". A significant effort by people here at WATMM is what made this happen. It's a good thing. No need to have people like Yoon cause trouble.

 

Is there a way to refund her money?

 

Okay that's my rant.

 

Later boys

Agreed 100%. Wonder if she gets the same "gross" feeling whenever she buys anything. There's always someone making a profit. It's kind of how capitalism works.

Yep but I bet she has no problem buying girly bags and things made by child labour in some poor third world country, or a limited edition Starbucks coffee.

 

I realized I made a mistake on the name, I must have gotten mixed up with Karen Tregaskin. Lol

Edited April 12, 2014 by Papillon

[calx]

Everything you do is a Yoon

[hijexx]

Funniest comments are from people raging about how bad the idea is while still backing it.

[oscillik]

Funniest comments are from people raging about how bad the idea is while still backing it.

[Guest Harmac2]

This CJ McCurdy doesn't seem very happy at all.

[Schlitze]

Been revisiting the old Caustic Window compilation to get back into the caustic vibe. It's so long ago ago. AFX was so prolific back then it's as if this was tossed under the carpet like an old porno mag with your mum in the readers wives section.

[QBLA]

I didn't contribute because I don't feel the need to own some old unheard Caustic Window tracks because quite frankly, I'm not into it. But I will say with all sincerity that I'm happy that this is working out for you guys. Great job to JR for organizing this and I hope you all enjoy the music when you receive it.

[Guest Papillon]

This CJ McCurdy doesn't seem very happy at all.

That might have been my fault....I probably should stay off that comments area. I have a way of making people mad without really intending to.

[Guest Papillon]

Been revisiting the old Caustic Window compilation to get back into the caustic vibe. It's so long ago ago. AFX was so prolific back then it's as if this was tossed under the carpet like an old porno mag with your mum in the readers wives section.

I'm really curious how this will compare with the others in teh series... Especially the earlier ones J5 was so good IMO.

 

The way Mike P described the tracks made me think it'd be more like SAW 1 rather than J9....

 

Plus I'm curious to hear Cylob's voice on the spoken word tracks. It's cool, like a missing piece from a great time in electronic music history. I don't think it is possible this could be bad.

[Schlitze]

 

http://xltronic.com/mb/120761/rip-joyrex

WTF is their problem? Always seem like a bunch of cunts. Luxembourgian smugness.

 

 

Dawg, the anger and distain on that forum is pitiful. There's about another 5 threads like that on there. They fail hard. Anyone else cringe at ''DJHardcode"s angst?

[modey]

Yeah I'm seeing a lot of unnecessary butthurt about this, even on fb. People just love complaining, I guess!

Edited April 12, 2014 by modey

[awepittance]

the only part of the complaints that seem valid to me (and im not talking about the Carlos Mencia meets Andrew Dice Clay style humoron xltronic) is the complaint of the 'full story' not making a whole lot of sense. Uniquemusicreleases could do a lot of good by explaining how he got the copy, the history of it, etc. If him and Richard and Grant continue to be publicly silent about the whole backstory I can't see it doing much if any good for the overall health of the Kickstarter campaign and eventual ending to it.
I've 'accepted the mystery' and so have most of the regular forum members here, but now that the general electronic music public is now eagerly contributing I don't think it's fair to expect everybody outside of this forum to 'accept the mystery' and to stop asking questions voicing concerns of the oddness of the whole scenario

Edited April 12, 2014 by John Ehrlichman

[Guest Papillon]

 

 

http://xltronic.com/mb/120761/rip-joyrex

WTF is their problem? Always seem like a bunch of cunts. Luxembourgian smugness.

 

 

Dawg, the anger and distain on that forum is pitiful. There's about another 5 threads like that on there. They fail hard. Anyone else cringe at ''DJHardcode"s angst?

 

 

Yeah that is someting else. I've never seen such an angry hate filled forum in my life. WTF. I guess those guys posting angry messages are really having tough personal times or something. Geez I hope they can get some happiness in their lives, it's not good for your personal health to carry around rage like that.

[Goiter Sanchez]

Been rinsing Compilation for the past 48 hours: first time in ages. Joyrex J4 and J5!!! So much :music:

I am hyped for this!

[skotosa]

So If I toss in 16 I get some rare aphex tracks?

Guaranteed?

 

Some one tell me if I'm missing something.

Cause I'm in!

[Root5]

Man it's weird how nostalgic I feel about the time I first got into the caustic window albums. I wasn't listening to this stuff when it came out, but this was some of the first music I got into when I started listening to electronic music.

[oscillik]

the only part of the complaints that seem valid to me (and im not talking about the Carlos Mencia meets Andrew Dice Clay style humoron xltronic) is the complaint of the 'full story' not making a whole lot of sense. Uniquemusicreleases could do a lot of good by explaining how he got the copy, the history of it, etc. If him and Richard and Grant continue to be publicly silent about the whole backstory I can't see it doing much if any good for the overall health of the Kickstarter campaign and eventual ending to it.

I've 'accepted the mystery' and so have most of the regular forum members here, but now that the general electronic music public is now eagerly contributing I don't think it's fair to expect everybody outside of this forum to 'accept the mystery' and to stop asking questions voicing concerns of the oddness of the whole scenario

it doesn't matter what Edward Bailey says though - these people are not gonna accept anything less than a videotaped statement from Rephlex / Richard, stating what is happening is legit. And even then, I'm sure these people will find things to pick apart with it.

 

It's just like me on the BoC subforum anytime MDG makes a post. And I get that.

 

But what is really ridiculous, and I'm sure you'll agree with me, is that these people are pledging to a project that they clearly either don't understand, or are uncomfortable with the amount of information that has been provided. To these people, I would say the following:

 

1. This whole endeavour was a product of this forum, WATMM. Regardless of what some people may say (ooooh Reddit could've done it, blah blah blech), WATMM did it. Joyrex has the connections to speak to relevant people, and it is happening. Those who have been around on this forum long enough, know that Joyrex is wired-in, and there's little question from this community surrounding whether permission has been granted for this. Joyrex is not stupid - he wouldn't risk a lawsuit over this.

 

2. If you don't trust this kickstarter, for whatever reason, why the hell did you pledge?

 

3. Many people who participate in kickstarter campaigns are under the false assumption that they are purchasing something. This is a common misconception which needs to be nipped in the bud. The items given to kickstarter backers are called rewards for a reason. Any and all promises made via a kickstarter can and will be subject to change, due to the very nature of what a kickstarter campaign is. People who make kickstarter campaigns are under absolutely no obligation to carry out promises of rewards, or indeed anything that has been mentioned in the kickstarter. If you have a problem with this, see points 1 and 2.

 

Personally, I have been very reticent to participate in kickstarter campaigns for the reasons of trust and expectation. I have very recently broken my abstinence from backing campaigns because those that I have backed, I have a greater feeling of trust than I have for any others. I should also add that they're both music related (first backed is the recent Telefuture campaign, and now this one)

 

 

condensed version: fuck off if you don't like what you see (not to you awep, those people)

Edited April 12, 2014 by oscillik

[Guest jasondonervan]

the only part of the complaints that seem valid to me (and im not talking about the Carlos Mencia meets Andrew Dice Clay style humoron xltronic) is the complaint of the 'full story' not making a whole lot of sense. Uniquemusicreleases could do a lot of good by explaining how he got the copy, the history of it, etc. If him and Richard and Grant continue to be publicly silent about the whole backstory I can't see it doing much if any good for the overall health of the Kickstarter campaign and eventual ending to it.

I've 'accepted the mystery' and so have most of the regular forum members here, but now that the general electronic music public is now eagerly contributing I don't think it's fair to expect everybody outside of this forum to 'accept the mystery' and to stop asking questions voicing concerns of the oddness of the whole scenario

 

I think it's difficult for us watmm lot to put ourselves in the shoes of backers who first caught wind of this via their local friendly music news outlet/social media of choice. Once the initial excitement of 'OMG NEW AIRFIX!?!?' had washed over them, they headed to the Kickstarter to find that a) It isn't Richard selling it directly to them (or in the case of some overly hopeful backers/nay-sayers - practically driving round to their house to deliver it by hand to prove that it's legit) and b) it's being re-produced from a test pressing vinyl that some mysterious third-party is currently in possession of, who will be paid in addition to Rich/Rephlex.

 

Most of us here know Joyrex to the point that a certain degree of faith can be applied that all this will successfully come to pass, and we'll be cutting a fine jig in our collective homes come the summer to some new/old Aphex magic... yet for those on the outside of the watmmsphere looking in, it may all look a bit iffy. I'm in no way suggesting it is, or that people should think like that, but as far as they're concerned, watmm is just another corner of the Internet isolated away from their usual hangouts, and therefore isn't a known property for them. Saying that, even if the Kickstarter informed that it was being managed by Rephlex Records and thus giving it a veneer of officialdom, even then people would raise a suspicious eyebrow as a result of Rephlex being so under the radar over the years, that most of these backers wouldn't know to associate the label.

 

I've found some of the weird irrational butt-hurt comments that I've read elsewhere are crossing over into toplel territory - people asking why the original DAT isn't being used as if they know exactly where in the sock drawer Rich has kept it all these years (and that exists in the first place), cursing the owner of the record for accepting money for something that is actually their property that they are free to sell (with the original artist and label's blessing, no less)... you'd cry if you didn't laugh at all that twaddle.

 

In agreement with John E above, I have accepted the mystery of this too. I don't need to know who the original owner of the record is, or why Richard decided to let the record out into the wild after all this time. Sure, that kind of thing would be interesting to know - but would it greatly affect my eventual enjoyment (hopefully) of the released product by knowing the answers to such questions? I can safely say no. Backers who haven't been in on the watmm ground floor as this developed are of course free to ask questions within reason, but the Kickstarter itself is clear on what your pledge gets you: a digital copy of a record that might never have seen the light of day for the masses without some serendipitous timing, aligning of the planets, whatever.

 

It fascinates me as to what some people think they're owed by merely putting 16 dollars worth of faith into something.

[Amen Lare]

Regarding Edward Bailey, here's the only worthy mention of his last name i have found, from notorious GWC interview to italians. It's also believable that this hypothetical mate didn't played the vinyl and kept it for rarity's sake.

 

How did you pick up so many italian artists in the 90s? Like me, Lory D, Leo (Anibaldi)?

I don’t know (and he laughs)… Like everywhere there was an underground techno scene, squat parties and stuff, hard music; and that music, it was a bit like the Spiral Tribe, but the Spiral Tribe parties weren’t quite good enough, so there was like other parties where there were a little bit more discerning about the music. I’m not dissing Spiral Tribe, it’s wicked, but it was just a slightly different scene. And… I remember one girl called Cosmic who people in Italy, in Rome probably known… Her name’s Kim and she had Antisystem on vinyl and this dude (Jason Mendonca or Bob Bailey. Editor’s note) who lived up the road from me, he ran these parties called VFM (Value For Money, an old hard techno gabber party in London. Editor’s note), he had Antisystem as well and that’s where I heard of Lory D – I was like – I couldn’t get it, it took me years to get that record. I had the CD but I just wanted the vinyl.

[YEK]

just paid, feels good...

[gmanyo]

I think the complaint that this is not how kickstarter is supposed to work is legitimate but who cares, it works. Then again it's not like I'm getting the album, so my input probably doesn't matter.

[oscillik]

I think the complaint that this is not how kickstarter is supposed to work is legitimate but who cares, it works. Then again it's not like I'm getting the album, so my input probably doesn't matter.

even though Kickstarter approved the project, and people that work for Kickstarter have pledged to this project themselves?

[Hugh Mughnus]

I don't know if it's worth stating that it's only $16. It's not like we're pledging our grocery money away.... =S

 

that's not a response to anyone in particular. I just see lots of eugenes saying they are going to leak it and it's a shit-ton of money etc.

[brokenhalo]

they faked the moon landing, you know. they could easily fake rdj making an anouncement.

it doesn't matter what Edward Bailey says though - these people are not gonna accept anything less than a videotaped statement from Rephlex / Richard, stating what is happening is legit. And even then, I'm sure these people will find things to pick apart with it.

 

 

threw my $16 in. thanks joyrex. physicals would be nice, if it becomes a possibility. i'd definitely bump my donation up if it happens.