How does the World view America these days?

[maitake]

I made the mistake of finding out who this Dan guy is, and skimmed through an interview with him where he talks about women. Barf

[Candiru]

America is deeply fucked, sure. But New England is pretty lush, imo. I have New England pride. I think it’s pretty European compatible.

[Rubin Farr]

 

Isn't he a trust fund kiddie?

 

 

i thought he was a vegas magician or something?  but i guess we can assume that in order to throw porn stars off a roof you are a trust fund kid. he also goes to mexico to some kind of stem cell testosterone HGH or whatever injected with mel gibson

 

http://brobible.com/life/article/dan-bilzerian-stem-cells/

 

 

 

She ended up suing him, then his lawyer mocked her in a response letter:

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/porn-star-suing-playboy-poker-3556148

[zaphod]

bilzerian launders his father's fortunes so he can avoid securities fraud and various tax liabilities. he pretends to be a professional poker player despite having hardly any winnings. he also pays models to pose with him on his instagram and seems to exclusively wear under armour tees and camo cargo shorts. he tried to become a navy seal twice and failed and now he pretends to be an operator in various films like lone survivor. i believe he's about five foot two. he is one of the worst human beings.

[melancholera]

As a citizen of the US, it's laughable to think we have produced any of the genius of the featured artists (UK) here, within electronic music. Even if we provided some of the roots, those are the big beautiful, obnoxious, complex flowers up top. Same thing with rock music. And you did it with 1/5 the population. Cheers. But you couldn't find a way to improve on Nirvana. At least the US has that one.

Edited October 8, 2017 by melancholera

[usagi]

I was blissfully unaware of the existence of D I C K H E A D until moseying on into this thread just moments ago, thanks watmm

 

the kind of dickhead who'd order a boneless pizza in the middle of a mass shooting.

[sweepstakes]

As a citizen of the US, it's laughable to think we have produced any of the genius of the featured artists (UK) here, within electronic music. Even if we provided some of the roots, those are the big beautiful, obnoxious, complex flowers up top. Same thing with rock music. And you did it with 1/5 the population. Cheers.

Not sure if I agree with Nirvana. I mean, I know what you mean but I'll have to think hard about that one. Not saying I disagree, just that I have to think about it (i.e. what does Nirvana really MEAN, maaaaan?). But, anyway, I agree with the rest.

 

Also we still have hip hop. Which of course has its roots in Jamaica. But probably only as much as Detroit (and hip hop, and soul) was roots for the aesthetic pillars of modern electronic music, as you noted.

[melancholera]

Nirvana captured existential dread, societal nihilism, and self-aware irony with catchy, powerful ass songs. And nobody ever did it better. But that's like, my opinion. Not that they didn't take heavy influences from tons of (American and English) bands, in the process. 

 

Same thing with how so many bands (American mostly) tried to repackage Led Zeppelin since the 70's and utterly failed. And the Beatles, and Pink Floyd, etc. I know this is so worn of territory that it's boring to even talk about, but it's still interesting to me. 

 

MEME

[ambermonk]

bilzerian launders his father's fortunes so he can avoid securities fraud and various tax liabilities. he pretends to be a professional poker player despite having hardly any winnings. he also pays models to pose with him on his instagram and seems to exclusively wear under armour tees and camo cargo shorts. he tried to become a navy seal twice and failed and now he pretends to be an operator in various films like lone survivor. i believe he's about five foot two. he is one of the worst human beings.

Ah. Suddenly things make more sense.

[Rubin Farr]

Nirvana captured existential dread, societal nihilism, and self-aware irony with catchy, powerful ass songs. And nobody ever did it better. But that's like, my opinion. Not that they didn't take heavy influences from tons of (American and English) bands, in the process. 

 

Same thing with how so many bands (American mostly) tried to repackage Led Zeppelin since the 70's and utterly failed. And the Beatles, and Pink Floyd, etc. I know this is so worn of territory that it's boring to even talk about, but it's still interesting to me. 

 

MEME

 

we did produce Silver Apples, they're pretty influential

[ambermonk]

Nirvana captured existential dread, societal nihilism, and self-aware irony with catchy, powerful ass songs. And nobody ever did it better. But that's like, my opinion. Not that they didn't take heavy influences from tons of (American and English) bands, in the process. 

 

Same thing with how so many bands (American mostly) tried to repackage Led Zeppelin since the 70's and utterly failed. And the Beatles, and Pink Floyd, etc. I know this is so worn of territory that it's boring to even talk about, but it's still interesting to me. 

 

MEME

We can still take pride in Jimi Hendrix tho

[melancholera]

 

Nirvana captured existential dread, societal nihilism, and self-aware irony with catchy, powerful ass songs. And nobody ever did it better. But that's like, my opinion. Not that they didn't take heavy influences from tons of (American and English) bands, in the process. 

 

Same thing with how so many bands (American mostly) tried to repackage Led Zeppelin since the 70's and utterly failed. And the Beatles, and Pink Floyd, etc. I know this is so worn of territory that it's boring to even talk about, but it's still interesting to me. 

 

MEME

 

we did produce Silver Apples, they're pretty influential

 

 

And my relative ignorance of electronic music on an electronic music board shines. I have to check this out.

 

 

 

Nirvana captured existential dread, societal nihilism, and self-aware irony with catchy, powerful ass songs. And nobody ever did it better. But that's like, my opinion. Not that they didn't take heavy influences from tons of (American and English) bands, in the process. 

 

Same thing with how so many bands (American mostly) tried to repackage Led Zeppelin since the 70's and utterly failed. And the Beatles, and Pink Floyd, etc. I know this is so worn of territory that it's boring to even talk about, but it's still interesting to me. 

 

MEME

We can still take pride in Jimi Hendrix tho

 

 

Nobody can ever really add to what that guy was doing. White hot brilliance, but it took the English to first appreciate him.

[Rubin Farr]

 

 

Nirvana captured existential dread, societal nihilism, and self-aware irony with catchy, powerful ass songs. And nobody ever did it better. But that's like, my opinion. Not that they didn't take heavy influences from tons of (American and English) bands, in the process.

 

Same thing with how so many bands (American mostly) tried to repackage Led Zeppelin since the 70's and utterly failed. And the Beatles, and Pink Floyd, etc. I know this is so worn of territory that it's boring to even talk about, but it's still interesting to me.

 

MEME

we did produce Silver Apples, they're pretty influential

And my relative ignorance of electronic music on an electronic music board shines. I have to check this out.

 

 

Nirvana captured existential dread, societal nihilism, and self-aware irony with catchy, powerful ass songs. And nobody ever did it better. But that's like, my opinion. Not that they didn't take heavy influences from tons of (American and English) bands, in the process.

 

Same thing with how so many bands (American mostly) tried to repackage Led Zeppelin since the 70's and utterly failed. And the Beatles, and Pink Floyd, etc. I know this is so worn of territory that it's boring to even talk about, but it's still interesting to me.

 

MEME

We can still take pride in Jimi Hendrix tho

Nobody can ever really add to what that guy was doing. White hot brilliance, but it took the English to first appreciate him.

Yes, Clapton and Beatles were touting him around London before his homeland caught on, and Lemmy was his roadie, lol.

[tec]

As a citizen of the US, it's laughable to think we have produced any of the genius of the featured artists (UK) here, within electronic music. Even if we provided some of the roots, those are the big beautiful, obnoxious, complex flowers up top. Same thing with rock music. And you did it with 1/5 the population. Cheers. But you couldn't find a way to improve on Nirvana. At least the US has that one.

The Quo piss on Nirvana.

[chenGOD]

bilzerian launders his father's fortunes so he can avoid securities fraud and various tax liabilities. he pretends to be a professional poker player despite having hardly any winnings. he also pays models to pose with him on his instagram and seems to exclusively wear under armour tees and camo cargo shorts. he tried to become a navy seal twice and failed and now he pretends to be an operator in various films like lone survivor. i believe he's about five foot two. he is one of the worst human beings.

I'd just like to point out that unless his father's fortune has been accrued through illegal/criminal means, what he's doing is tax evasion rather than money laundering.

Because I'm a pedantic fuckwit.

[cwmbrancity]

 

 

 

 

 

We are all fucking worse off for having participated in this discussion. Nationalism is bullshit, fuck being proud of your country.

 

i'll quote this the next time Inglan are in a footy tournament ;)

 

 

Go for it, I'm not English you over-dramatic tit.

 

you support Inglan & your folks are Anglo-Saxons, you Manc loving cunt

 

is that dramatic enough for you, or do wanna waive yer ban hammer like a Canadian Thor?

 

by all means take the gimp high ground while throwing terms like nationalist round, not losing out too much either way am i

 

ps:

 

I'm not English though am I, and I really don't care that my folks were born there. I also don't really support any national side. I just hope for some good football (which England certainly doesn't produce).

 

So I reiterate, fuck nationalism.

 

 

 

you're a very recent arrival in the New World though, 2nd generation Anglo-Saxon, you spoke/speak English around folks with (possibly) regional accents & ties to specific locations in Inglan, so a culture's roots continue to run quite deeply even if there's a leap across a vast river of salt

 

in an ideal world nations wouldnt exist & there'd be some other forms of social organization/structure beyond this current chimp paradise-parade of eternal warfare & "democracies" that continue to support the 1%....lord knows we're olde enough as a species to have got a grip on this by now, but power and the lust for it creates these boundaries so that land & labour can continue as capital resources

 

like money, nations are the root of most evil, drawing arbitrary lines in the ground, corralling people & resources, us vs them, never allocating finances to solving the world's more pressing problems while maintaining standing armies, but we havent really evolved as a species to the point where such a scheme could develop beyond theory nevermind exist as practice....thats why our environment continues to get chewed up & shat out & mass extinctions of other species continue to spiral

 

one of the joys of archeology is that it can develop a fuller understanding of the concept of "place & space" as opposed to "Nation", aspects which Nationalists are nearly always attempting to appropriate and reframe for their own fkd agendas but rarely grasp, because they're fixated on exclusion rather than incorporation

 

i dont see a love of "place" as inherently wrong, but it gets misunderstood as exclusive instead of inclusive because nationalists say "no, this is mine, not yours"

 

my own altars are local mountains, valleys & coasts, but it took a long time to integrate them within archetypal patterns in my own psyche and mountain exploring always, always, brings a meditative calm....seems like sense to make the most of that while its still possible, to look after these "places of special virtue" so that future generations can enjoy them too & promote them when appropriate

 

is that nationalism? no, but is it a tad parochial, well, yes, to minor degrees

 

 

[chenGOD]

I mean losing to the scouse is never good, but then I just think to myself that Tom Cleverly, Bebe and Anderson have won more PL medals than Steven Gerrard. ;)

 

I worked for a tick in the anthropology/archaeology department at my uni. Met some interesting people, had some interesting convos, and got some good reads in. Anyone who's "woke af" and takes intro soci and intro anthro will come to that conclusion re: place and space.

 

Love of place is inherently different than the vitriolic nationalism that resulted in trump, thatcher, hitler et al. That's the type of nationalism I'm referring to. Which I would have though was obvious, but of course the web is a terrible medium for communication. And I'm not sure what you're getting at with your opening paragraph, so I'll leave it alone.

 

Sorry all y'all for the off topic transgression. Won't happen again for at least mmmm a hot minute.

[Rubin Farr]

What the Hell America, we can use our time better than this. Two of my Gen-X friends waited in line as well, and were turned away empty handed.    

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/08/police-called-after-mcdonalds-rick-and-morty-promotion-heats-up

 

 

[zaphod]

that's the great tribulation. the earthquakes will begin soon.

[usagi]

why can't you have a mass shooting when you need one.

[ignatius]

[hello spiral]

[Amen Warrior]

I don't have even the most basic grasp of what this sauce shit is about. It's very confusing. Is this what getting old feels like?

[pcock]

i cant imagine what kind of a state your life would have to be in, to want to queue for multiple hours to get a sachet of discontinued macdonalds dipping sauce. 

Edited October 9, 2017 by messiaen

[doublename]

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