Steinvord Steinvord - Steinvord

[Soloman Tump]

it's shit

 

says the man with animal collective written in his avatar

[sneaksta303]

Ooof, that is hard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

iyff acid edit 1

[Hugh Mughnus]

that's what she said

[sneaksta303]

iyff sounds like rdj to me (or at least up that caliber), the rest, while good, do not sound like rdj.

 

 

[Hugh Mughnus]

untitled 97 sounds like wisp to me :S

[oscillik]

iyff sounds like rdj to me (or at least up that caliber), the rest, while good, do not sound like rdj.

 

 

 

given the choice between eating one of those...

 

pizza. every time.

[Hugh Mughnus]

I'd Steinvord her. That's my new move.

[psn]

wait what's reflex records? :S

 

Rephlex you mean methings. ;)

 

What, you never heard of Re-flex? I have loads of Re-flex records:

 

 

[Lucas]

 

 

 

(worst toshop edit ever)

[Hugh Mughnus]

ahhh hahaah nice one

[thief]

 

 

 

(worst toshop edit ever)

 

lol

[Guest bitroast]

untitled 97 sounds like wisp to me :S

 

'Untitled' sounds like wisp to me, too.

[GORDO]

what the fuck happened here

[Guest LIFE RIDES YOUR BONES]

[YO303]

what the fuck happened here

 

Rephlex are an incompetent record label and everybody is tired of the secret-personality bullshit.

 

People seem more interested in speculation and celebrity than content, quality or music.

 

If Steinvord's real identity was not secret, people would be more interested in the music, instead we got 15 pages of stupid speculation and 8 pages of people not caring anymore.

[Guest ruiagnelo]

If Steinvord's real identity was not secret, people would be more interested in the music, instead we got 15 pages of stupid speculation and 8 pages of people not caring anymore pizza

[TechDiff]

what the fuck happened here

 

Rephlex are an incompetent record label and everybody is tired of the secret-personality bullshit.

 

People seem more interested in speculation and celebrity than content, quality or music.

 

If Steinvord's real identity was not secret, people would be more interested in the music, instead we got 15 pages of stupid speculation and 8 pages of people not caring anymore.

 

I kinda agree, kinda disagree. I agree that Rephlex comes across as pretty impompetent, or at least half arsed, I too am bored with the "oh my god it could RDJ, but we're not saying... But it could be!" angle. Although to be fair I don't think Rephlex is solely responsible for rumour mongering, people on here do that all by themselves.

 

however I'd disagree that if Steinvords identity was not secret that more people would talk about the music. IMO its the secret identity + Rephlex records + pure speculation that peaks peoples interest in the first place. if the same record came out on any other label, with a named but unknown producer credited, I doubt anyone on here would've taken much notice, or at least only so far as to dismiss it as sounding too squarepusherish..

 

anyway.. I didn't mean to interrupt that pizza thing. I think maybe it's a subconscious thing because I'm secretly just jealous that we can't get awesome Chicago style pizza here, and I don't have a decent tin to make my own in :(

[awepittance]

there has been a lot of VERY good hyper edited jungle/breakcore etc going around for the past 10 years

 

steinvord follows that "classic drill n bass" tradition. haven't heard such creative use of the amen since pusher. some jodey kendrick tracks fall into the same pot. just my two cents.

 

i dont understand, when you say you havent heard such a 'creative' use of the amen break... how are you using the word creative? because you sure as hell aren't using it to mean an original take on the amen break or pushing the envelope in any way (50% of the thread seem to think they recognize squarepusher samples in it, can you think of anything less 'original' than that if this artist really has nothing to do with those guys?)

 

edit: to me it's like listening to a 3tronik track and saying 'i havent heard such a creative use of glitch since autechre'

 

often i will walk into a watmm thread where the discussion seems to be of the 'up is down' 'black is white' variety, this is one of those times!

 

I've already explained how it's impossible that you can just go and straight sample entire *clean* drumloops from SP tracks (GP-ultravisitor circa), when those tracks are specially buried into all kinds of reverbs and digital noise all the time. I find specially amusing that someone claimed the ontrack break was sampled off that Squarepusher track, when the amen on that track as a completely different tone and compression settings (insanely squashed vs a more transient-defined breakbeat that's used on ontrack).

Now, if you are somehow implying (as someone did) that Steinvord had access to SP processed breaks, samples, hardware, whatever... well, that's as much of a fucked up theory to think about as any other.

 

Plus some of the stuff on this thing simply isn't inside Aphex-Squarepusher's styles that i've heard before. This track "cyg x-1" (I think formerly known as untitled 11) is a really really good track, but has too much of an steady beat and rhythm to it. It's some kind of techno-jungle weird thing with lots of different sounds and layers. Cyg x-1 is a good name for this thing since it feels like something out of space (those pads). At the highest moment of the track there is a little sound that specially blew my mind, it's like as if something was crossing from my right headphone into my left headphone through my skull, that was a pretty badass effect and caught me off attention. Did anyone notice what im talking about? This track specially shows that there is potential. At the end of the day if this is some random guy and he did tracks like this at 16-17 means he's sitting on a lot of unreleased material and what do we know how does that sound like.

Oh and yeah, this vinyl sounds great. Wasn't able to pick half as much details with the poor-quality leaks around. Im really liking those subtle layers and pads over the breaks of that new track.

 

Impossible is a strong word.

 

And the implication is that this person has access to SP's loops and that they were processed in a different way than where we have originally heard them, not so much that it was sampled off his work.

 

For example in maelstrom you can hear sections that are the same drum loop from the end of greenways trajectory... where it sounds like the drum note ALMOST finishes but then reverses.... I will post tracks and times in the steinvord vs old squarepusher (mostly from go plastic) to show my point.

 

I will post later.

 

You don't really need to do that because I know where you are coming from and seems like a waste of time, and im telling you those are not the same breaks. When a break like the amen has been heavily processed already like Tom did on those records, you are only going to fuck it up and make it sound bad if you try to change it. This is a pretty basic premise that anyone that works with audio knows. You sound kinda amateur at your judgement. Im actually a professional mastering engineer and i've been working with sounds profesionally for a decade. What you will prove is that the arrangement is at times extremely reminiscent of the GP SP era, but this proves nothing on the actual matter. I know there is those bits here and there on Maelstrom that are just so similar to the way Tom arranged it at some places on GP, but the thing is the actual track has a weight of it's own. Don't worry GP is my fav' release of all time and I know that record better than you could. My advice is you are overanalizing and over-obsessing with comparing this guy to other tracks and missing the actual work. Just chill and enjoy a great record mate . This is the internet after all.

 

I'm not sure, my posts seemed fairly short and to the point, I don't think it's overanalytical. It was a response to your multi paragraph post. I also never said once I wasn't enjoying the record for what it is. In addition to that, this particular thread is dedicated to the discussion of the artist at hand and because the discussion currently was in regards to the identity of the artist and the structure of the music I was describing it in the only way a person can: relativity to something I know.

 

I appreciate your expertise. But I too have listened to these albums for hundreds and hundreds of hours and know them inside and out so your judgement that A) you know the tracks better and B) I'm some sort of amateur comes off a little pretentious.

 

But, after all you are a professional in the industry for decades and I've heard your mastering work everywhere, so I concede you are the superior human being.

 

Have a great Friday night. :)

 

what professional mastering engineer is Pissflaps? that's odd that he'd be using a name that Aphex twin used for a while on internet forums. anywho, regardless of who Pissflaps is, if he IS a professional mastering engineer with a vast array of skill, wouldn't he quickly concede that if anyone wanted to put in a lot of work and dedication they could reverse engineer that sound? 'could' being the operative word.

[Guest rotchnock]

what the fuck happened here

 

Rephlex are an incompetent record label and everybody is tired of the secret-personality bullshit.

 

People seem more interested in speculation and celebrity than content, quality or music.

 

If Steinvord's real identity was not secret, people would be more interested in the music, instead we got 15 pages of stupid speculation and 8 pages of people not caring anymore.

 

<cry>I cant enjoy the music because I need to know who did it</cry>

 

You seem underage. That's one of the dumbest claims ever.

 

The reason this is happening is because WATMM manages to systematically turn into a 4chan-waste-like any thread that exceeds 15 pages. Happens all the time. It happened with Monolith and some people are trying to guarantee it happens here again, no matter the quality of the music being discussed (5 pages ago). It will happen again once Richard releases an 'Aphex Twin' album, it will be even worse.

Im convinced less than 50% of people posting didn't even got the vinyl yet, otherwise they would be jizzing all over their pizza-filled monitors. This is some of the best music i've heard in a very long time. I imagine as people start getting their copies mailed this will turn again into a decent music conversation for all things good sake.

[YO303]

what the fuck happened here

 

Rephlex are an incompetent record label and everybody is tired of the secret-personality bullshit.

 

People seem more interested in speculation and celebrity than content, quality or music.

 

If Steinvord's real identity was not secret, people would be more interested in the music, instead we got 15 pages of stupid speculation and 8 pages of people not caring anymore.

 

<cry>I cant enjoy the music because I need to know who did it</cry>

 

You seem underage. That's one of the dumbest claims ever.

 

 

I didn't say i need to know the entity of the artists to enjoy the music, but look what keeping the identity a secret has done, 23 pages of nonsense. I would love to discuss the music but people can't be bother playing rephlex's silly games.

[Guest narkeworld]

what the fuck happened here

 

Rephlex are an incompetent record label and everybody is tired of the secret-personality bullshit.

 

People seem more interested in speculation and celebrity than content, quality or music.

 

If Steinvord's real identity was not secret, people would be more interested in the music, instead we got 15 pages of stupid speculation and 8 pages of people not caring anymore.

 

<cry>I cant enjoy the music because I need to know who did it</cry>

 

You seem underage. That's one of the dumbest claims ever.

 

 

I didn't say i need to know the entity of the artists to enjoy the music, but look what keeping the identity a secret has done, 23 pages of nonsense. I would love to discuss the music but people can't be bother playing rephlex's silly games.

 

Know it's rephlexian, that it's wicked and then enjoy the music, it doesn't matter. If you can't enjoy the music because you don't know who it is then you shouldn't listen to the music in the first place. Just know this is rephlex and it's how they operate, they been doing this kinda thing for 20 plus years. When Bochum Welt first came out with his Scharlach Eingang ep in 1995 I was just like man it's aphexian/rephlexian business. It could have been Aphex for all I knew but it was Rephlex and it was just, damn that ep is good. It's just Rephlex, they're the greatest label ever and if you don't like the silly games and mysteries go elsewhere, where the artists are marketed to no end. Rephlex doesn't give a fuck as far as I know, they just put out the best music, that's why people like/love it, and remember for all of you and your expertise with rephlexian matters there are those like me that are near 40 who have been following this thing since day one, this is how they do it, people know the rephlexian thing trust me it just doesn't change, not for like 20+ goddamned years. Do you honestly think a man who hase been asked to rework Penderecki (fucking Penderecki) cares about your ridiculous argument that "oh we're tired of their headgames". The headgame is Rephlex enjoy it or leave. For real, wise up to what's really going on.

[GORDO]

you seem to have trouble reading.

[Guest rotchnock]

what the fuck happened here

 

Rephlex are an incompetent record label and everybody is tired of the secret-personality bullshit.

 

People seem more interested in speculation and celebrity than content, quality or music.

 

If Steinvord's real identity was not secret, people would be more interested in the music, instead we got 15 pages of stupid speculation and 8 pages of people not caring anymore.

 

<cry>I cant enjoy the music because I need to know who did it</cry>

 

You seem underage. That's one of the dumbest claims ever.

 

 

I didn't say i need to know the entity of the artists to enjoy the music, but look what keeping the identity a secret has done, 23 pages of nonsense. I would love to discuss the music but people can't be bother playing rephlex's silly games.

 

Rephlex puts the music out there, that's it. They say they don't know much about this artist. Have you thought that maybe they are simply telling the truth and releasing great music? The conspiracy begins with you not wanting to believe the official statement. This is only and only your problem, not Rephlex's. No one forces you to play the "silly game" by making pointless self-amusing posts. Post whatever you want about the record after hearing it and that's it. Anything else is contributing to what you are complaining about.

[YO303]

what the fuck happened here

 

Rephlex are an incompetent record label and everybody is tired of the secret-personality bullshit.

 

People seem more interested in speculation and celebrity than content, quality or music.

 

If Steinvord's real identity was not secret, people would be more interested in the music, instead we got 15 pages of stupid speculation and 8 pages of people not caring anymore.

 

<cry>I cant enjoy the music because I need to know who did it</cry>

 

You seem underage. That's one of the dumbest claims ever.

 

 

I didn't say i need to know the entity of the artists to enjoy the music, but look what keeping the identity a secret has done, 23 pages of nonsense. I would love to discuss the music but people can't be bother playing rephlex's silly games.

 

Rephlex puts the music out there, that's it. They say they don't know much about this artist. Have you thought that maybe they are simply telling the truth and releasing great music? The conspiracy begins with you not wanting to believe the official statement. This is only and only your problem, not Rephlex's. No one forces you to play the "silly game" by making pointless self-amusing posts. Post whatever you want about the record after hearing it and that's it. Anything else is contributing to what you are complaining about.

 

I never gave a shit who Steinvord was/is, i enjoy the music and posted about the music, its somwhere here buried in between 23 pages of nonsense and pizza. You have to remebember how this whole thing started (a thread on xltronic saying Steinvord was AFX), ever since then Steinvord's music was a sub-plot which is sad because the music is good.

[Hugh Mughnus]

there has been a lot of VERY good hyper edited jungle/breakcore etc going around for the past 10 years

 

steinvord follows that "classic drill n bass" tradition. haven't heard such creative use of the amen since pusher. some jodey kendrick tracks fall into the same pot. just my two cents.

 

i dont understand, when you say you havent heard such a 'creative' use of the amen break... how are you using the word creative? because you sure as hell aren't using it to mean an original take on the amen break or pushing the envelope in any way (50% of the thread seem to think they recognize squarepusher samples in it, can you think of anything less 'original' than that if this artist really has nothing to do with those guys?)

 

edit: to me it's like listening to a 3tronik track and saying 'i havent heard such a creative use of glitch since autechre'

 

often i will walk into a watmm thread where the discussion seems to be of the 'up is down' 'black is white' variety, this is one of those times!

 

I've already explained how it's impossible that you can just go and straight sample entire *clean* drumloops from SP tracks (GP-ultravisitor circa), when those tracks are specially buried into all kinds of reverbs and digital noise all the time. I find specially amusing that someone claimed the ontrack break was sampled off that Squarepusher track, when the amen on that track as a completely different tone and compression settings (insanely squashed vs a more transient-defined breakbeat that's used on ontrack).

Now, if you are somehow implying (as someone did) that Steinvord had access to SP processed breaks, samples, hardware, whatever... well, that's as much of a fucked up theory to think about as any other.

 

Plus some of the stuff on this thing simply isn't inside Aphex-Squarepusher's styles that i've heard before. This track "cyg x-1" (I think formerly known as untitled 11) is a really really good track, but has too much of an steady beat and rhythm to it. It's some kind of techno-jungle weird thing with lots of different sounds and layers. Cyg x-1 is a good name for this thing since it feels like something out of space (those pads). At the highest moment of the track there is a little sound that specially blew my mind, it's like as if something was crossing from my right headphone into my left headphone through my skull, that was a pretty badass effect and caught me off attention. Did anyone notice what im talking about? This track specially shows that there is potential. At the end of the day if this is some random guy and he did tracks like this at 16-17 means he's sitting on a lot of unreleased material and what do we know how does that sound like.

Oh and yeah, this vinyl sounds great. Wasn't able to pick half as much details with the poor-quality leaks around. Im really liking those subtle layers and pads over the breaks of that new track.

 

Impossible is a strong word.

 

And the implication is that this person has access to SP's loops and that they were processed in a different way than where we have originally heard them, not so much that it was sampled off his work.

 

For example in maelstrom you can hear sections that are the same drum loop from the end of greenways trajectory... where it sounds like the drum note ALMOST finishes but then reverses.... I will post tracks and times in the steinvord vs old squarepusher (mostly from go plastic) to show my point.

 

I will post later.

 

You don't really need to do that because I know where you are coming from and seems like a waste of time, and im telling you those are not the same breaks. When a break like the amen has been heavily processed already like Tom did on those records, you are only going to fuck it up and make it sound bad if you try to change it. This is a pretty basic premise that anyone that works with audio knows. You sound kinda amateur at your judgement. Im actually a professional mastering engineer and i've been working with sounds profesionally for a decade. What you will prove is that the arrangement is at times extremely reminiscent of the GP SP era, but this proves nothing on the actual matter. I know there is those bits here and there on Maelstrom that are just so similar to the way Tom arranged it at some places on GP, but the thing is the actual track has a weight of it's own. Don't worry GP is my fav' release of all time and I know that record better than you could. My advice is you are overanalizing and over-obsessing with comparing this guy to other tracks and missing the actual work. Just chill and enjoy a great record mate . This is the internet after all.

 

I'm not sure, my posts seemed fairly short and to the point, I don't think it's overanalytical. It was a response to your multi paragraph post. I also never said once I wasn't enjoying the record for what it is. In addition to that, this particular thread is dedicated to the discussion of the artist at hand and because the discussion currently was in regards to the identity of the artist and the structure of the music I was describing it in the only way a person can: relativity to something I know.

 

I appreciate your expertise. But I too have listened to these albums for hundreds and hundreds of hours and know them inside and out so your judgement that A) you know the tracks better and B) I'm some sort of amateur comes off a little pretentious.

 

But, after all you are a professional in the industry for decades and I've heard your mastering work everywhere, so I concede you are the superior human being.

 

Have a great Friday night. :)

 

what professional mastering engineer is Pissflaps? that's odd that he'd be using a name that Aphex twin used for a while on internet forums. anywho, regardless of who Pissflaps is, if he IS a professional mastering engineer with a vast array of skill, wouldn't he quickly concede that if anyone wanted to put in a lot of work and dedication they could reverse engineer that sound? 'could' being the operative word.

 

Self proclaimed professional. And yes, I fully agree with you.