Steinvord Steinvord - Steinvord

[Hugh Mughnus]

there has been a lot of VERY good hyper edited jungle/breakcore etc going around for the past 10 years

 

steinvord follows that "classic drill n bass" tradition. haven't heard such creative use of the amen since pusher. some jodey kendrick tracks fall into the same pot. just my two cents.

 

i dont understand, when you say you havent heard such a 'creative' use of the amen break... how are you using the word creative? because you sure as hell aren't using it to mean an original take on the amen break or pushing the envelope in any way (50% of the thread seem to think they recognize squarepusher samples in it, can you think of anything less 'original' than that if this artist really has nothing to do with those guys?)

 

edit: to me it's like listening to a 3tronik track and saying 'i havent heard such a creative use of glitch since autechre'

 

often i will walk into a watmm thread where the discussion seems to be of the 'up is down' 'black is white' variety, this is one of those times!

 

I've already explained how it's impossible that you can just go and straight sample entire *clean* drumloops from SP tracks (GP-ultravisitor circa), when those tracks are specially buried into all kinds of reverbs and digital noise all the time. I find specially amusing that someone claimed the ontrack break was sampled off that Squarepusher track, when the amen on that track as a completely different tone and compression settings (insanely squashed vs a more transient-defined breakbeat that's used on ontrack).

Now, if you are somehow implying (as someone did) that Steinvord had access to SP processed breaks, samples, hardware, whatever... well, that's as much of a fucked up theory to think about as any other.

 

Plus some of the stuff on this thing simply isn't inside Aphex-Squarepusher's styles that i've heard before. This track "cyg x-1" (I think formerly known as untitled 11) is a really really good track, but has too much of an steady beat and rhythm to it. It's some kind of techno-jungle weird thing with lots of different sounds and layers. Cyg x-1 is a good name for this thing since it feels like something out of space (those pads). At the highest moment of the track there is a little sound that specially blew my mind, it's like as if something was crossing from my right headphone into my left headphone through my skull, that was a pretty badass effect and caught me off attention. Did anyone notice what im talking about? This track specially shows that there is potential. At the end of the day if this is some random guy and he did tracks like this at 16-17 means he's sitting on a lot of unreleased material and what do we know how does that sound like.

Oh and yeah, this vinyl sounds great. Wasn't able to pick half as much details with the poor-quality leaks around. Im really liking those subtle layers and pads over the breaks of that new track.

 

Impossible is a strong word.

 

And the implication is that this person has access to SP's loops and that they were processed in a different way than where we have originally heard them, not so much that it was sampled off his work.

 

For example in maelstrom you can hear sections that are the same drum loop from the end of greenways trajectory... where it sounds like the drum note ALMOST finishes but then reverses.... I will post tracks and times in the steinvord vs old squarepusher (mostly from go plastic) to show my point.

 

I will post later.

 

You don't really need to do that because I know where you are coming from and seems like a waste of time, and im telling you those are not the same breaks. When a break like the amen has been heavily processed already like Tom did on those records, you are only going to fuck it up and make it sound bad if you try to change it. This is a pretty basic premise that anyone that works with audio knows. You sound kinda amateur at your judgement. Im actually a professional mastering engineer and i've been working with sounds profesionally for a decade. What you will prove is that the arrangement is at times extremely reminiscent of the GP SP era, but this proves nothing on the actual matter. I know there is those bits here and there on Maelstrom that are just so similar to the way Tom arranged it at some places on GP, but the thing is the actual track has a weight of it's own. Don't worry GP is my fav' release of all time and I know that record better than you could. My advice is you are overanalizing and over-obsessing with comparing this guy to other tracks and missing the actual work. Just chill and enjoy a great record mate . This is the internet after all.

 

I'm not sure, my posts seemed fairly short and to the point, I don't think it's overanalytical. It was a response to your multi paragraph post. I also never said once I wasn't enjoying the record for what it is. In addition to that, this particular thread is dedicated to the discussion of the artist at hand and because the discussion currently was in regards to the identity of the artist and the structure of the music I was describing it in the only way a person can: relativity to something I know.

 

I appreciate your expertise. But I too have listened to these albums for hundreds and hundreds of hours and know them inside and out so your judgement that A) you know the tracks better and B) I'm some sort of amateur comes off a little pretentious.

 

But, after all you are a professional in the industry for decades and I've heard your mastering work everywhere, so I concede you are the superior human being.

 

Have a great Friday night. :)

 

what professional mastering engineer is Pissflaps? that's odd that he'd be using a name that Aphex twin used for a while on internet forums. anywho, regardless of who Pissflaps is, if he IS a professional mastering engineer with a vast array of skill, wouldn't he quickly concede that if anyone wanted to put in a lot of work and dedication they could reverse engineer that sound? 'could' being the operative word.

 

I happen to be a big Aphex Twin fan, thats were i took my nick from. I've been one for years.

Do you expect me to use my real name/professional name so when clients search it on google I get linked to a thread with the same 4 aspies posting about pizzas? Don't get me started about the creeps on the "RDJ Rare Pics".

 

As far as your question goes, don't think so. It's a skill that you develop and it's also natural talent. Proof being, most people that tried this kind of stuff has failed and moved onto other genres, whereas Steinvord pulls it off delivering a solid record. To both, the guy is supossed to be 18 (when he uploaded the tracks), so that would mean he made this at around 16-17 years of age. Everyone posting here would only dream to be pulling off that kind of stuff at that age, or at any age. Like it or not this is out of the norm and exceptional. Rephlex realized this and signed him.

 

I will believe it when I see the guy playing live. Signing a person to a label etc (copyright/contract law blah blah blah) is not as straighforward as you're saying... Not to mention given the similarities to afx/sp etc I really can't see them signing someone that sounds so much like them, it's just bad marketing lol.

 

Let's see how it pans out and come back to the conversation in a few months. :)

[pissflaps]

there has been a lot of VERY good hyper edited jungle/breakcore etc going around for the past 10 years

 

steinvord follows that "classic drill n bass" tradition. haven't heard such creative use of the amen since pusher. some jodey kendrick tracks fall into the same pot. just my two cents.

 

i dont understand, when you say you havent heard such a 'creative' use of the amen break... how are you using the word creative? because you sure as hell aren't using it to mean an original take on the amen break or pushing the envelope in any way (50% of the thread seem to think they recognize squarepusher samples in it, can you think of anything less 'original' than that if this artist really has nothing to do with those guys?)

 

edit: to me it's like listening to a 3tronik track and saying 'i havent heard such a creative use of glitch since autechre'

 

often i will walk into a watmm thread where the discussion seems to be of the 'up is down' 'black is white' variety, this is one of those times!

 

I've already explained how it's impossible that you can just go and straight sample entire *clean* drumloops from SP tracks (GP-ultravisitor circa), when those tracks are specially buried into all kinds of reverbs and digital noise all the time. I find specially amusing that someone claimed the ontrack break was sampled off that Squarepusher track, when the amen on that track as a completely different tone and compression settings (insanely squashed vs a more transient-defined breakbeat that's used on ontrack).

Now, if you are somehow implying (as someone did) that Steinvord had access to SP processed breaks, samples, hardware, whatever... well, that's as much of a fucked up theory to think about as any other.

 

Plus some of the stuff on this thing simply isn't inside Aphex-Squarepusher's styles that i've heard before. This track "cyg x-1" (I think formerly known as untitled 11) is a really really good track, but has too much of an steady beat and rhythm to it. It's some kind of techno-jungle weird thing with lots of different sounds and layers. Cyg x-1 is a good name for this thing since it feels like something out of space (those pads). At the highest moment of the track there is a little sound that specially blew my mind, it's like as if something was crossing from my right headphone into my left headphone through my skull, that was a pretty badass effect and caught me off attention. Did anyone notice what im talking about? This track specially shows that there is potential. At the end of the day if this is some random guy and he did tracks like this at 16-17 means he's sitting on a lot of unreleased material and what do we know how does that sound like.

Oh and yeah, this vinyl sounds great. Wasn't able to pick half as much details with the poor-quality leaks around. Im really liking those subtle layers and pads over the breaks of that new track.

 

Impossible is a strong word.

 

And the implication is that this person has access to SP's loops and that they were processed in a different way than where we have originally heard them, not so much that it was sampled off his work.

 

For example in maelstrom you can hear sections that are the same drum loop from the end of greenways trajectory... where it sounds like the drum note ALMOST finishes but then reverses.... I will post tracks and times in the steinvord vs old squarepusher (mostly from go plastic) to show my point.

 

I will post later.

 

You don't really need to do that because I know where you are coming from and seems like a waste of time, and im telling you those are not the same breaks. When a break like the amen has been heavily processed already like Tom did on those records, you are only going to fuck it up and make it sound bad if you try to change it. This is a pretty basic premise that anyone that works with audio knows. You sound kinda amateur at your judgement. Im actually a professional mastering engineer and i've been working with sounds profesionally for a decade. What you will prove is that the arrangement is at times extremely reminiscent of the GP SP era, but this proves nothing on the actual matter. I know there is those bits here and there on Maelstrom that are just so similar to the way Tom arranged it at some places on GP, but the thing is the actual track has a weight of it's own. Don't worry GP is my fav' release of all time and I know that record better than you could. My advice is you are overanalizing and over-obsessing with comparing this guy to other tracks and missing the actual work. Just chill and enjoy a great record mate . This is the internet after all.

 

I'm not sure, my posts seemed fairly short and to the point, I don't think it's overanalytical. It was a response to your multi paragraph post. I also never said once I wasn't enjoying the record for what it is. In addition to that, this particular thread is dedicated to the discussion of the artist at hand and because the discussion currently was in regards to the identity of the artist and the structure of the music I was describing it in the only way a person can: relativity to something I know.

 

I appreciate your expertise. But I too have listened to these albums for hundreds and hundreds of hours and know them inside and out so your judgement that A) you know the tracks better and B) I'm some sort of amateur comes off a little pretentious.

 

But, after all you are a professional in the industry for decades and I've heard your mastering work everywhere, so I concede you are the superior human being.

 

Have a great Friday night. :)

 

what professional mastering engineer is Pissflaps? that's odd that he'd be using a name that Aphex twin used for a while on internet forums. anywho, regardless of who Pissflaps is, if he IS a professional mastering engineer with a vast array of skill, wouldn't he quickly concede that if anyone wanted to put in a lot of work and dedication they could reverse engineer that sound? 'could' being the operative word.

 

I happen to be a big Aphex Twin fan, thats were i took my nick from. I've been one for years.

Do you expect me to use my real name/professional name so when clients search it on google I get linked to a thread with the same 4 aspies posting about pizzas? Don't get me started about the creeps on the "RDJ Rare Pics".

 

As far as your question goes, don't think so. It's a skill that you develop and it's also natural talent. Proof being, most people that tried this kind of stuff has failed and moved onto other genres, whereas Steinvord pulls it off delivering a solid record. To both, the guy is supossed to be 18 (when he uploaded the tracks), so that would mean he made this at around 16-17 years of age. Everyone posting here would only dream to be pulling off that kind of stuff at that age, or at any age. Like it or not this is out of the norm and exceptional. Rephlex realized this and signed him.

 

I will believe it when I see the guy playing live. Signing a person to a label etc (copyright/contract law blah blah blah) is not as straighforward as you're saying... Not to mention given the similarities to afx/sp etc I really can't see them signing someone that sounds so much like them, it's just bad marketing lol.

 

Let's see how it pans out and come back to the conversation in a few months. :)

 

But he has elements and whole tracks (cyg x-1) that aren't afx/sp-ish, so there is potential. And the tracks are good enough regardless anything. Also Rephlex wants to put out that Rephlex sound and be known for that. On top of that I don't think they give a fuck about the concept of marketing. They simply put out the music they like. This sort of mental-acids-breaks thing wasn't covered by anyone on Rephlex or anywere else really, so it makes sense.

[Hugh Mughnus]

there has been a lot of VERY good hyper edited jungle/breakcore etc going around for the past 10 years

 

steinvord follows that "classic drill n bass" tradition. haven't heard such creative use of the amen since pusher. some jodey kendrick tracks fall into the same pot. just my two cents.

 

i dont understand, when you say you havent heard such a 'creative' use of the amen break... how are you using the word creative? because you sure as hell aren't using it to mean an original take on the amen break or pushing the envelope in any way (50% of the thread seem to think they recognize squarepusher samples in it, can you think of anything less 'original' than that if this artist really has nothing to do with those guys?)

 

edit: to me it's like listening to a 3tronik track and saying 'i havent heard such a creative use of glitch since autechre'

 

often i will walk into a watmm thread where the discussion seems to be of the 'up is down' 'black is white' variety, this is one of those times!

 

I've already explained how it's impossible that you can just go and straight sample entire *clean* drumloops from SP tracks (GP-ultravisitor circa), when those tracks are specially buried into all kinds of reverbs and digital noise all the time. I find specially amusing that someone claimed the ontrack break was sampled off that Squarepusher track, when the amen on that track as a completely different tone and compression settings (insanely squashed vs a more transient-defined breakbeat that's used on ontrack).

Now, if you are somehow implying (as someone did) that Steinvord had access to SP processed breaks, samples, hardware, whatever... well, that's as much of a fucked up theory to think about as any other.

 

Plus some of the stuff on this thing simply isn't inside Aphex-Squarepusher's styles that i've heard before. This track "cyg x-1" (I think formerly known as untitled 11) is a really really good track, but has too much of an steady beat and rhythm to it. It's some kind of techno-jungle weird thing with lots of different sounds and layers. Cyg x-1 is a good name for this thing since it feels like something out of space (those pads). At the highest moment of the track there is a little sound that specially blew my mind, it's like as if something was crossing from my right headphone into my left headphone through my skull, that was a pretty badass effect and caught me off attention. Did anyone notice what im talking about? This track specially shows that there is potential. At the end of the day if this is some random guy and he did tracks like this at 16-17 means he's sitting on a lot of unreleased material and what do we know how does that sound like.

Oh and yeah, this vinyl sounds great. Wasn't able to pick half as much details with the poor-quality leaks around. Im really liking those subtle layers and pads over the breaks of that new track.

 

Impossible is a strong word.

 

And the implication is that this person has access to SP's loops and that they were processed in a different way than where we have originally heard them, not so much that it was sampled off his work.

 

For example in maelstrom you can hear sections that are the same drum loop from the end of greenways trajectory... where it sounds like the drum note ALMOST finishes but then reverses.... I will post tracks and times in the steinvord vs old squarepusher (mostly from go plastic) to show my point.

 

I will post later.

 

You don't really need to do that because I know where you are coming from and seems like a waste of time, and im telling you those are not the same breaks. When a break like the amen has been heavily processed already like Tom did on those records, you are only going to fuck it up and make it sound bad if you try to change it. This is a pretty basic premise that anyone that works with audio knows. You sound kinda amateur at your judgement. Im actually a professional mastering engineer and i've been working with sounds profesionally for a decade. What you will prove is that the arrangement is at times extremely reminiscent of the GP SP era, but this proves nothing on the actual matter. I know there is those bits here and there on Maelstrom that are just so similar to the way Tom arranged it at some places on GP, but the thing is the actual track has a weight of it's own. Don't worry GP is my fav' release of all time and I know that record better than you could. My advice is you are overanalizing and over-obsessing with comparing this guy to other tracks and missing the actual work. Just chill and enjoy a great record mate . This is the internet after all.

 

I'm not sure, my posts seemed fairly short and to the point, I don't think it's overanalytical. It was a response to your multi paragraph post. I also never said once I wasn't enjoying the record for what it is. In addition to that, this particular thread is dedicated to the discussion of the artist at hand and because the discussion currently was in regards to the identity of the artist and the structure of the music I was describing it in the only way a person can: relativity to something I know.

 

I appreciate your expertise. But I too have listened to these albums for hundreds and hundreds of hours and know them inside and out so your judgement that A) you know the tracks better and B) I'm some sort of amateur comes off a little pretentious.

 

But, after all you are a professional in the industry for decades and I've heard your mastering work everywhere, so I concede you are the superior human being.

 

Have a great Friday night. :)

 

what professional mastering engineer is Pissflaps? that's odd that he'd be using a name that Aphex twin used for a while on internet forums. anywho, regardless of who Pissflaps is, if he IS a professional mastering engineer with a vast array of skill, wouldn't he quickly concede that if anyone wanted to put in a lot of work and dedication they could reverse engineer that sound? 'could' being the operative word.

 

I happen to be a big Aphex Twin fan, thats were i took my nick from. I've been one for years.

Do you expect me to use my real name/professional name so when clients search it on google I get linked to a thread with the same 4 aspies posting about pizzas? Don't get me started about the creeps on the "RDJ Rare Pics".

 

As far as your question goes, don't think so. It's a skill that you develop and it's also natural talent. Proof being, most people that tried this kind of stuff has failed and moved onto other genres, whereas Steinvord pulls it off delivering a solid record. To both, the guy is supossed to be 18 (when he uploaded the tracks), so that would mean he made this at around 16-17 years of age. Everyone posting here would only dream to be pulling off that kind of stuff at that age, or at any age. Like it or not this is out of the norm and exceptional. Rephlex realized this and signed him.

 

I will believe it when I see the guy playing live. Signing a person to a label etc (copyright/contract law blah blah blah) is not as straighforward as you're saying... Not to mention given the similarities to afx/sp etc I really can't see them signing someone that sounds so much like them, it's just bad marketing lol.

 

Let's see how it pans out and come back to the conversation in a few months. :)

 

But he has elements and whole tracks (cyg x-1) that aren't afx/sp-ish, so there is potential. And the tracks are good enough regardless anything. Also Rephlex wants to put out that Rephlex sound and be known for that. On top of that I don't think they give a fuck about the concept of marketing. They simply put out the music they like. This sort of mental-acids-breaks thing wasn't covered by anyone on Rephlex or anywere else really, so it makes sense.

 

Yeah I can see that as a possibility... What about the whole "steinbolt + vordhosbn = steinvord" thing? coincidence? Relevant?

 

I only mention it because the two songs are very popular ones of theirs..

[Guest bitroast]

steinvord could be a gescom style umbrella project? with multiple artists involved on different tracks. explaining why maelstorm sounds so similar to squarepusher while cyg x-1 just sounds more straight up drum n bass (macc and dogghn? lol).

 

 

i guess it's impossible to tell just by listening and guessing. but whatever/whoever it is, i'm still going to assume it has aphex/squarepusher involvement (and happily be wrong when proven wrong^^).

[mcbpete]

God do you guys have ADHD, I was seriously tempted to hide all the non-Steinvord related posts but when I saw how many there were I really couldn't bring myself to spend all that time to do it ....

 

.....so anyway what do you guys think of the EP ?

 

I really haven't heard something quite this good in ages, by the time Side A had finished I honestly had a grin on my face. Irrespective of whether it's Aphex and/or Squarepusher or not, this is some bloody ace programmed stuff ! Plus the mastering of the tracks is incredibly good - the opening synth sweeping section of Backyard sounded like it was going to snap my AKGs in half with how crisp it was. So yeah, two thumbs fresh ....

 

BTW anyone else have issues going from track 2 to 3 on the vinyl, there seemed to be a lock groove and I physically had to push the record arm to get to Iyff Acid E1

[impakt]

It's probably someone from the Herrmutt Lobby/kadah gang.

[chim]

The production on this guys stuff is crazy. I still think it's the unknown 18 year old or whatever and secretly want to put a bullet in the brain of people who think it's aphex, squarepusher, skrillex or donald trump. It was the same fucking thing with burial.

[GORDO]

omg you're right, it must be burial!

[Hugh Mughnus]

omg you're right, it must be burial!

lol

[oscillik]

God do you guys have ADHD, I was seriously tempted to hide all the non-Steinvord related posts but when I saw how many there were I really couldn't bring myself to spend all that time to do it ....

 

lol

 

man, don't diss the chicago pizzas.

[Ivan Ooze]

mcbpete stfu i don't have a turntable player!!!

[funkaholic]

still waiting, no notes saying i've missed a package.

 

will order a pizza when i get it.

[Mr12000]

[mcbpete]

mcbpete stfu i don't have a turntable player!!!

And I'm meant to give two shits about this fact why exactly ?

[schlucharski]

The rip does not only suck because of the noise (which gives it a vintage feel, if you wouldn't hate everything watmm) but lyff acid is skipping on the second half, which got me angry as it can get for getting free shit over the internets. anyways got the vinyl today, that was pretty fast for boomkat, and it got me spasticly dancing into the kitchen, to make a pizza. thanks

[jules]

how would one with no analog pizza player eat this? will it be released digitally as well?

[oscillik]

did not expect the locked groove after the second track.

[mcbpete]

Ahh, so it wasn't just my turntable playing silly buggers ....

[oscillik]

for those of you expecting an amazing quality rip, this record isn't exactly an amazing pressing...

 

at least not the one I have.

[xy_politics]

It's a split EP, one side is Tom, the other side is Rich.

[Freak of the week]

It's a split EP, one side is Tom, the other side is Rich.

 

It's a split-personality EP, one side is Richard, the other side is Twins.

[Lucas]

It's a split EP, one side is Tom, the other side is Rich.

 

it would be called vordstein then

[Hugh Mughnus]

It's a split EP, one side is Tom, the other side is Rich.

 

it would be called vordstein then

 

Well no, it wouldn't be. If the A side was Tom, and the B side was RDJ, then given the logical progression from A to B it would still be Steinvord.

[SQUIDLID]

I thought the pressing was pretty decent, a little bit of ground noise at the beginning of one of the tracks but otherwise clear and crisp throughout! What's wrong with yours?

[oscillik]

I thought the pressing was pretty decent, a little bit of ground noise at the beginning of one of the tracks but otherwise clear and crisp throughout! What's wrong with yours?

 

considerable surface noise, and some crackle during quiet moments...particularly noticable with ontrackv2