TWIN PEAKS

[goDel]

it's ribbed, but completely dry. it's the lack of lube. i could try some extra massage, but don't want to force myself onto you.

[tec]

Me mate heard that there is going to be a Wally Brando spin-off.

[hello spiral]

You've totally grabbed the wrong end of the wrong stick there goDel

 

Sorry that it's a bad show (for you)

[cwmbrancity]

theres always gonna be a few contrarians

 

punt in the dark, does anyone know the music that plays during the casino scenes? it pops up from time time elsewhere, but have no idea if its on official releases, or been left out (eg: Sub Dream, Dream Recall)

 

really dont wanna pirate this composition & ripping it from video has proven a right cunt due to v few dry sections where no other audio is in the mix

[cwmbrancity]

edit 4 div: theres about 20secs of it on DH's "Low Sustained Mystery", but that quickly gets into static soundscaping

 

any help would be v gratefully appreciated

[NorthernFusion]

the gloved boy wonder. such a cop out. one of many, imo. but hey, lynch's genius and all. it got people wondering what the fuck was going on, so it must be genius, right?

 

to me it looked like a bunch of half developed ideas, with an attempt to make it interesting by mixing different timelines and dream vs. reality scenarios. i'm sure it's going to make more sense when you can tell which scenes belong in which timeline, or which reality. like in mulholland drive. but there's so much inconsequential stuff going on, i'm not even interested anymore. the couple of drug addicts sitting at the huge tree, where the guy put a bullet in his brain, for instance. completely inconsequential characters. no emotional connection whatsoever. should i root for them? does the scene have a deeper meaning? (and by deeper, i mean deeper than the "history repeating itself in different generations" motive)

 

or the poor attempts of tarantino dialogues with the tim roth/jennifer jason leigh characters. poor execution, imo. lynch used to be better at dialogues. this was just bland and inconsequential. 

 

sometimes even blatant fan-service. perhaps by intention. but really, does intent make up for execution? i wonder.

 

sure, it was tv like nothing else. but being different doesn't make it good. the acting was often piss poor. the shots were beautiful at times though. i'll give it that. that 8th episode was noteworthy and as far as i'm concerned well executed. even though the novelty is debatable. in the end you'd be better off with kubrick's 2001, imo. so if it's "like nothing else" depends mostly on your frame of reference.

 

the sound design was a strong point. to the point where it could almost carry the story. if not for the cringeworthy acting/dialogues. 

 

the most novel thing about the return was the meta thing where the 4th wall was kind of broken due to actors being actually near the end of their lives. creating a mix of reality and fiction. sometimes making you wonder whether people were commenting on eachother on a different level than the fictional story.

 

creative? sure! well executed? i think not. sorry. i didnt fall for its charm. and feel lynch used to be better at this. i recognise the effort that went into stringing together the different timelines/realities. and i'm sure a second viewing will improve when you know which scene belongs where. but i'm fairly certain that wouldn't make up for the execution, or the last minute efforts to converge the story "hey albert, you know about that thing a kept from you from the last 25 years? well, i tell you now and it's important so there...here's your story out of nowhere". in other words: another green glove falling out of the sky into the story. this hasn't got anything to do with missing a logical storyline. this is similar to telling a superhero story where each new problem is solved by introducing a new superpower. there comes a point where you can expect the proverbial rabbit out of the hat at any twist and turn. it kills any tension. (wanna arm-wrestle with bad coop? oooh exciting! i wonder what will happen....surprise!!!)

 

sorry for my rant (yeah that fucking guy again). suck it fanbois.

 

I'm glad someone came out and said this.  It really IS a bad show.

[Soloman Tump]

But it's not tho

[goDel]

theres always gonna be a few contrarians

 

 

contrarians as opposed to what? scientology? to me, lynch fans seem like a bunch of scientologists atm: no critique is allowed. and the people who do critique are simply not worthy and blasphemous.

 

please explain to me in which universe it would be interesting to have a bunch of people locked up in twin peaks jail. one of them had a key in the heal of his boot and apparently could get out at any moment he wished, but somehow waited for god knows how long. (it was episodes in screen time.) and the green gloved boy wonder could just punch open the jail door at will at any moment. that was george lucas prequel levels of awful right there.

 

what kind of profound story telling logic might cure this? was the return a metaphor for dale cooper breaking out of his own mind? and the lesson here, that it takes will-power to break those mental doors? could dream logic save this? it was just a dream?

 

or should you just ignore stuff like this and enjoy those electric buzz sounds to enjoy this third season? 18 episodes of sounds.

 

i have no problems with people enjoying this season. i'll admit it kept my interest till the end. (although barely at points. events really became inconsequential throughout, imo). but no criticism? really? just pure lynchian genius? that's just religious fanaticism.

[Berk]

I liked the show. just kept watching it with zero expectations and that worked out great. I didn't get half of it and also did not try. What I loved most is how a lot of material seems to be derived directly from dreams. It has that REAL dreamy feel - not the hollywood standard stuff, but dreams in which all random silly things seem logical for a moment. I wouldn't be surprised if Lynch sat around with everyone of the crew every day when filming and asked them what they dreamed about last night for example.

Anyway if you basically care about plotholes then you'll be like BINGO every 2 seconds watching twin peaks. Maybe not the best way to enjoy yourself. 

[goDel]

so lynch has become the new george lucas indeed. just enjoy the prequels for what they are.

 

dont remember older lynch stuff having swiss cheese level plotholes. plotholes in the previous tp seasons? second season went of the trial for a bit. but that's different to plot holes. i dont remember many plotholes in the first season of tp. nor do i remember lynch needing his characters to have superpowers to keep a story going.

 

guess my conclusion is that lynch went down the lucas hole and turned tp into a superhero franchise.

[goDel]

i'd even argue that the strength of older lynch movies/series was a lack of plotholes. even if you didn't understand what was going on, you could basically trust there would be some kind of deeper logic which could explain it. you just needed to figure it out. even if it turned out to be dream logic, the reward was there. it would make sense.

 

and this is why this season was more inland empire than people are willing to admit. if there's going to be a logic behind it all - which i doubt will be a rewarding one -  am i going to sit through 18 episodes again to enjoy it? kinda similar to watching inland empire again, isn't it. i might be rewatching the 8th episode perhaps. but sitting through those 18 episodes again...nah. i'll just read about and be happy if someone is able to make some sense out of it. kudos for that.

 

good luck with making this work, though. 

Edited September 9, 2017 by goDel

[Berk]

 

 

dont remember older lynch stuff having swiss cheese level plotholes. plotholes in the previous tp seasons? second season went of the trial for a bit. but that's different to plot holes. i dont remember many plotholes in the first season of tp. 

 

I agree with this, but I don't really mind the plotholes in the new season. I think Lynch just always liked and likes to convey that dream-logic feeling/experience - in which he succeeded imo (what more do I want?). And in this season my guess is he goes all out and needs a bit of a story to tie it all together as far as possible. Which is of course not for everyone

[goDel]

you'd really enjoy inland empire. see it if you haven't already!

[Berk]

you'd really enjoy inland empire. see it if you haven't already!

I don't think so. Will check it out, thanks!

[entropi]

goDel: I fully share your view of TP3. Well written.

[xox]

godel, are you by any chance a programmer?

[goDel]

no. surprised?

[goDel]

xox, do you happen to love tp3 and seek to explain away my criticism based on some apparent sense of love for logic similar to what you think programmers have?

Edited September 9, 2017 by goDel

[brian trageskin]

one way to watch this season and anything lynch ever did is always assuming that everything you see on screen is not real and happens in a symbolic/unreal world, or even better, doesn't happen at all since it's only an illusion, a fictional audiovisual thing. therefore literally anything can happen because the director has no obligation towards the viewer in terms of making sense. he's free to picture anything he wants and that's exactly what lynch does.

it seems like the tricky part for some people is that they expect from a tv series that things make sense, when the essence of lynch drama/comedy comes precisely from subverting real-life logic, playing with the fake-reality nature of films and playing with the audience's expectations. 

if you've seen video art films before (you know, video pieces of art in art galeries and contemporary art museums), the only difference between those and lynch's is lynch's are produced and distributed by the film industry.

to make it short, he's just an "artist" (as in "fine art") using mainstream media. there isn't much mystery left to his films once you get that. but hey, people will always have fun trying to decode the big charade.

Edited September 9, 2017 by Brian Tregaskin

[brian trageskin]

and for those who've never seen video art films, i recommend you watch "cremaster 4" by matthew barney. see the parallel between that and lynch (it's basically the same thing to me).

unfortunately there's no proper rip of it on youtube at the moment

[xox]

no. surprised?

 

yes :)

 

xox, do you happen to love tp3 and seek to explain away my criticism based on some apparent sense of love for logic similar to what you think programmers have?

 

i respect tp3 and lynch/frost and i also like it/them. i never seek plot holes, in any movie or book and i usually never see them cause i automatically correct them with my own interpretations that might be correct or not, i don't give a damn. here i'm not seeking an explanation to you but my question was also a comment to your kind of harsh criticism, not your logic, but your criticism just reminded me of an uneasiness or a fear of the unknown, of multiple answers, of not having answers, of contradictions that some people have. as prejudicial as it could be, the fear of a 'black box' reminds me of an uneasiness a programmer could have, hence the question. also, love for logic doesn't have to repress other psychological features, but sometimes it does if it's a result of a defense mechanism 

Edited September 9, 2017 by xox

[hello spiral]

so lynch has become the new george lucas indeed. just enjoy the prequels for what they are.

 

dont remember older lynch stuff having swiss cheese level plotholes. plotholes in the previous tp seasons? second season went of the trial for a bit. but that's different to plot holes. i dont remember many plotholes in the first season of tp. nor do i remember lynch needing his characters to have superpowers to keep a story going.

 

guess my conclusion is that lynch went down the lucas hole and turned tp into a superhero franchise.

 

Remember the fake soap opera in the original series? And how events in it were sometimes in parallel with events taking place in the show?

Are you aware this was included because at the time Soap Operas ruled TV Land.

 

What currently rules film and TV land?

[KovalainenFanBoy]

What currently rules film and TV land?

 

[roasty]

He walked right into that one

[oscillik]

All of you people who keep saying how the show is bad, etc... I don't think you've ever seen a David Lynch film before.

 

You may have watched a David Lynch film, but you haven't seen a David Lynch film.

 

You're watching it wrong.