Coronavirus COVID-19

[Limo]

1 hour ago, zkom said:

It probably happens now and then but the news get suppressed especially in places like China. There are some known cases like the time US DoD accidentally sent live Anthrax spores to military bases including one in South Korea https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/27/pentagon-live-anthrax-accident

whoopsie

Can't find the article now but I read somewhere that not only does it happen fairly often but also it turns out viruses usually don't spread very far. Like maybe a dozen or so people get infected by a specific virus that suddenly appears in a population but then it peters out.

They did some modeling with COVID-19 and they couldn't get it to spread anywhere except in Wuhan and even then not very reliably (which maybe can be interpreted as evidence that it may have escaped from that lab that's smack in the middle of Wuhan).

So not only is news suppressed but often there actually isn't any news because these things pass by unnoticed.

Still, places like Wuhan exist, so I'm still not sure why we don't have accidents or natural spreading events more often. There's at least a dozen cities I could name in Indonesia that would make for prime pandemic starter material, for example.

[Rubin Farr]

3 hours ago, zkom said:

It probably happens now and then but the news get suppressed especially in places like China. There are some known cases like the time US DoD accidentally sent live Anthrax spores to military bases including one in South Korea https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/27/pentagon-live-anthrax-accident

whoopsie

 

This has happened before

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/sars-escaped-beijing-lab-twice-50137

[Cryptowen]

the illuminati really havin a laff with this one

[ignatius]

 

[ignatius]

ffffuuuuuuuucccccckkkn hell

 

[chenGOD]

Three articles on the lab leak hypothesis.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57268111

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/

Someone asked why it matters - I think the answer is obvious:

 

 

[Nebraska]

"get a shot and have a (free) beer" - joe 'comandante' biden

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-government-and-politics-health-8168ae1c68ca955b620082d862c911ad

i like this free stuff more than other crap like free healthcare or better work programmes. i wish casinos can also step up and give some free gambling chips for roulette 

[Limo]

Columbia journalism review weighs in on what’s happening with the lab leak hypothesis:

https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/lab_leak_theory_credibility.php

 

TLDR; nothings changed, there’s no new evidence, the theory isn’t any more plausible than it was last year.

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A given theory can be a conspiracy and racist and, at root, true, just as a given theory can be scientifically grounded and not racist and, at root, false; who is propounding it, and why, and based on what, matters. 

IMHO the biggest problem with it was diplomatic. Screaming about a China virus was *really* unhelpful in getting the world to come together to fight it. *If* the lab leak hypothesis is true, thanks to Trump we will never know it.

[Rubin Farr]

Interesting read on how HIV patients are reacting to COVID, vaccinations, and incubating new variants:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-collides-hiv-aids-100051925.html

[chenGOD]

https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

WHO is renaming the variants for the less literate - and the meme potential is high - why is the UK variant the "alpha"?

h/t to @rhmilo's article.

[Rubin Farr]

[chenGOD]

Ugh on the phone with my brother yesterday, just found out he won't be getting the vaccine because "he's not sure if it's necessary". Since it was like 11 PM my time I had no desire to get into an argument with him but fuck me what a selfish prick.

[dingformung]

1 minute ago, chenGOD said:

Ugh on the phone with my brother yesterday, just found out he won't be getting the vaccine because "he's not sure if it's necessary". Since it was like 11 PM my time I had no desire to get into an argument with him but fuck me what a selfish prick.

I'm by no means a health expert and can only regurgitate what I have read in media and heard from others about Covid (and it's not even a very interesting topic to think about), but even if this is all true, then at a point when everyone has access to vaccination, shouldn't it be his own decision (because if you want to get protected from the virus you can and it shouldn't matter whether others are vaccinated or not if you are vaccinated)? If there is no area-wide and egalitarian access to vaccination it's a different story, and I don't know about Canada, but I from what I've heard, Canada is well supplied with vaccines. If he has lots of contact with people who for whatever reason can't make this decision (like homeless people or paranoid people that for good or bad reasons don't trust anyone), then it's a different stoery as well. But like most middle class people he most likely doesn't have much contact to them.

But (I'm sort of repeating myself) if he lives in an area where everyone can get vaccinated if they so desire, and if my conclusions aren't wrong, it should be unrisky for others if he doesn't get the vaccine. I may be wrong, though and I guess that if in doubt it's best to get it, just to make sure.

So he might not be wrong, but you should still send him to get vaccinated. Because if there is even a slight chance that he can help others by getting vaXX'd, he should do so... I guess.

You don't need to be dramatic about it when talking to him, though, as this would surely spook him further and make it less likely that he gets the vaccination.

I mean, by his own admission, he is "not sure", which should be enough to get the vaccine. But yeah, it's a tiring topic. Also, family dynamics etc. pp.

[Satans Little Helper]

Kids these days. They've seemed to miss a couple of good tales with a moral lesson. Like the one about the ant and the grasshopper. Doesn't take too much mental gymnastics to see the ants as the people getting vaccinated. What's missing, is that the grasshopper, and animals like him, threaten the safety of all. In a childs mind this bigger picture is an acquired taste, I guess. And some may never acquire it. (this will probably trigger a bunch of people hehe)

 

[MaartenVC]

8 hours ago, Rubin Farr said:

Wait, what's happening in the UK?

I'm reading it might be because of the more transmissible Delta variant?

Edited June 9, 2021 by MaartenVC

[Limo]

29 minutes ago, MaartenVC said:

Wait, what's happening in the UK?

I'm reading it might be because of the more transmissible Delta variant?

The colonies are striking back.

[user]

7 hours ago, dingformung said:

I'm by no means a health expert and can only regurgitate what I have read in media and heard from others about Covid (and it's not even a very interesting topic to think about), but even if this is all true, then at a point when everyone has access to vaccination, shouldn't it be his own decision (because if you want to get protected from the virus you can and it shouldn't matter whether others are vaccinated or not if you are vaccinated)? If there is no area-wide and egalitarian access to vaccination it's a different story, and I don't know about Canada, but I from what I've heard, Canada is well supplied with vaccines. If he has lots of contact with people who for whatever reason can't make this decision (like homeless people or paranoid people that for good or bad reasons don't trust anyone), then it's a different stoery as well. But like most middle class people he most likely doesn't have much contact to them.

But (I'm sort of repeating myself) if he lives in an area where everyone can get vaccinated if they so desire, and if my conclusions aren't wrong, it should be unrisky for others if he doesn't get the vaccine. I may be wrong, though and I guess that if in doubt it's best to get it, just to make sure.

So he might not be wrong, but you should still send him to get vaccinated. Because if there is even a slight chance that he can help others by getting vaXX'd, he should do so... I guess.

You don't need to be dramatic about it when talking to him, though, as this would surely spook him further and make it less likely that he gets the vaccination.

I mean, by his own admission, he is "not sure", which should be enough to get the vaccine. But yeah, it's a tiring topic. Also, family dynamics etc. pp.

I think this sort of depends on which scale you look at it. On an individual level it probably doesn’t matter so much and it might be difficult to justify getting angry with one person for not getting shots. Otoh this person probably represents a larger group that decides not to get vaxxed for various reasons and this group might fuck things up on a sort of gliding scale with varying degrees of fuckupedness and shitty outcomes for the rest. 
It’s a bit like being into soccer and having a nephew that’s a hooligan. There’s a shared interest but hugely differing views on how to approach it. 

[Alcofribas]

30 minutes ago, user said:

It’s a bit like being into soccer and having a nephew that’s a hooligan.

CHAVID-19

[BCM]

Wait, what's happening in the UK?

I'm reading it might be because of the more transmissible Delta variant?

or perhaps that we are doing a huge amount more testing, therefore finding more cases.

[Rubin Farr]

20 hours ago, dingformung said:

I'm by no means a health expert and can only regurgitate what I have read in media and heard from others about Covid (and it's not even a very interesting topic to think about), but even if this is all true, then at a point when everyone has access to vaccination, shouldn't it be his own decision (because if you want to get protected from the virus you can and it shouldn't matter whether others are vaccinated or not if you are vaccinated)? If there is no area-wide and egalitarian access to vaccination it's a different story, and I don't know about Canada, but I from what I've heard, Canada is well supplied with vaccines. If he has lots of contact with people who for whatever reason can't make this decision (like homeless people or paranoid people that for good or bad reasons don't trust anyone), then it's a different stoery as well. But like most middle class people he most likely doesn't have much contact to them.

But (I'm sort of repeating myself) if he lives in an area where everyone can get vaccinated if they so desire, and if my conclusions aren't wrong, it should be unrisky for others if he doesn't get the vaccine. I may be wrong, though and I guess that if in doubt it's best to get it, just to make sure.

So he might not be wrong, but you should still send him to get vaccinated. Because if there is even a slight chance that he can help others by getting vaXX'd, he should do so... I guess.

You don't need to be dramatic about it when talking to him, though, as this would surely spook him further and make it less likely that he gets the vaccination.

I mean, by his own admission, he is "not sure", which should be enough to get the vaccine. But yeah, it's a tiring topic. Also, family dynamics etc. pp.

Here’s the thing about this bullshit “freedom of choice” argument: you are not only a threat to yourself if you refuse the vaccine, but potentially everyone you come in contact with. I understand a lot of people are vaccinated (depending on your region), but if one person in a family is anti-vax, chances are others in their family household will feel the same, which puts all of them at risk.

[BCM]

don't be silly

[dingformung]

1 hour ago, Rubin Farr said:

Here’s the thing about this bullshit “freedom of choice” argument: you are not only a threat to yourself if you refuse the vaccine, but potentially everyone you come in contact with. I understand a lot of people are vaccinated (depending on your region), but if one person in a family is anti-vax, chances are others in their family household will feel the same, which puts all of them at risk.

Not anymore, because those you come in contact with can get vaxxt so they are immune if media is right & not wrong about dis. Therefore your only a danger to you'reself.

- You can't get the disease if you are vaccinated.
- Everyone can get vaccinated now in the areas we are talking about.
- Therefore you are no longer responsible for others* because you can be sure that they are vaccinated if they wanted that (you couldn't be sure of this before ,when there was less access to vaccinations)

*especially if you are VACCINATED YOURSELF!!!!!!!! I love you, I love butter buns

 

 I personally got vaccinated because I could get the vaccine at a time when it wasn't widely available because I am a well connected man. I probably don't need to wear a mask anymore but when people around me do it (indoors), then I do it too, out of respect and because I don't want to get into these boring discussions (like we are having right now).

I will visit South East Asia very soon and am curious to see how they handle it. Even though it bores me to shit (I'm literally shitting right now in this second)

Edited June 10, 2021 by dingformung
I corrected a mistake and made the post better

[Rubin Farr]

21 minutes ago, dingformung said:

Not anymore, because those you come in contact with can get vaxxt so they are immune if media is right & not wrong about dis. Therefore your only a danger to you'reself.

- You can't get the disease if you are vaccinated.
- Everyone can get vaccinated now in the areas we are talking about.
- Therefore you are no longer responsible for others* because you can be sure that they are vaccinated if they wanted that (you couldn't be sure of this before ,when there was less access to vaccinations)

*especially if you are VACCINATED YOURSELF!!!!!!!! I love you, I love butter buns

 

 I personally got vaccinated because I could get the vaccine at a time when it wasn't widely available because I am a well connected man. I probably don't need to wear a mask anymore but when people around me do it (indoors), then I do it too, out of respect and because I don't want to get into these boring discussions (like we are having right now).

I will visit South East Asia very soon and am curious to see how they handle it. Even though it bores me to shit (I'm literally shitting right now in this second)

Vaccinated people can still (but rarely) get COVID, they’re called breakthrough cases.

[ghsotword]

People who refuse to get vaccinated increase the spread of COVID and thereby make it more likely for someone who is vaccinated to still catch COVID

[dingformung]

whatevs i dont wanna b The laywer of non vaccinat0rs but its still all a big poopoo

if its only rare cases its ok no? at least they cant consume meat when theyre dead

dead people save lives

its best if we all die